I didnt like winstrol

**Octaneforce** · 10-02-2019, 06:10 AM

Is winstrol a mild compound? I used it recently for about 7 weeks and the only thing i noticed was it made my back hurt. I didnt see any hardening affects. The only good thing it may have done was preserve strength during my calorie decifict. Which in itself is great, but im not sure it was worth the back pain when anavar could do that while still offering amazing pumps.
Its the first time ive been disappointed in an oral compound. I think my conditioning just wasnt nearly enough to utilize winstrol. It seems more of a stage prep drug, and not a recreational gym douche drug (me)

**Mooseman33** · 10-02-2019, 07:01 AM

how did you run it?
dose? freq?

**GearHeaded** · 10-02-2019, 09:22 AM

the reason your back was likely hurting (and why guys get achy joints as well) is because Winstrol is the strongest Cortisol blocker of any AAS.. Cortisol is your bodies natural anti inflammatory (Cortico steroids /drugs for inflammation are derived from Cortisol).

however , Cortisol is also a catabolic stress hormone. not only does it promote the break down of muscle tissue, to stimulate and fuel gluconeogenisis (I,e the hepatic conversion of amino acids into glucose) but it also promotes fat storage.

so , when dieting down especially , you can see how Winstrol can be a very powerful tool. you want to blunt Cortisol so you can preserve muscle and keep burning fat.

but you have to deal with some of the aches and pains that comes from having low Cortisol . Winstrol is also pretty anabolic in its own right (about 3x more anabolic then test).

**Octaneforce** · 10-02-2019, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

how did you run it?
dose? freq?

Started with 75mg daily. I did 100mg the last week or so. Didnt notice much of anything. Im running test/eq/mast. Hard to tell whats doing what but adding in the winny was definitely not a lightswitch

**Windex** · 10-02-2019, 08:01 PM

I'm in the anti Winstrol camp as well. Perhaps try Anavar , Primo, or Masteron next time depending on your cycle layout.

**Octaneforce** · 10-02-2019, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Windex

I'm in the anti Winstrol camp as well. Perhaps try Anavar, Primo, or Masteron next time depending on your cycle layout.

Yup fuckin love var. probably going to cruise on test/primo for a while and then do a winter bulk with test/deca /mast (mast for prolactin and estro control) and a dbol kickstart with an anavar finisher. Itll be a 16 week cycle with a big break between orals. I know gearheaded switches a in few compounds during a long cycle but the same stuff for the whole cycle still seems to work for me.

**Ashop** · 10-03-2019, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Octaneforce

Started with 75mg daily. I did 100mg the last week or so. Didnt notice much of anything. Im running test/eq/mast. Hard to tell whats doing what but adding in the winny was definitely not a lightswitch

Are you bulking or leaning out? I've always loved WINSTROL at 50mg daily. Hardens me up like granite and gives me a nice strength increase.

**Cuz** · 10-03-2019, 05:47 PM

Winstrol and Mast really do me well, in fact, probably the best ive ever looked when taking both combined. Really love the stuff but we are all different, 50 mg a day is good for me

**Octaneforce** · 10-05-2019, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Ashop

Are you bulking or leaning out? I've always loved WINSTROL at 50mg daily. Hardens me up like granite and gives me a nice strength increase.

I was leaning out. Thats probably why i felt so flat. Sure i can see my abs a little more, but i always feel frail when im in a deficit. Im just beginning to increase cals again. Funny thing about the strength, i came off of the winstrol

**redz** · 10-09-2019, 09:50 PM

Winstrol is highly performance enhancing and a great hardening drug. I’m amazed anyone wouldn’t love the effects other than achy joints but I usually run deca to negate that.

**Obs** · 10-09-2019, 10:39 PM

Ran balkan alone with nothing else from years of natty and picked up ten lbs felt strong.

Second time I think it was bunk. Didnt do shit.

**bethdoth** · 10-10-2019, 11:42 AM

I just started a 12 week cycle yesterday. From HRT at 80mg test cyp E3.5days .... to 100mg test cypE3.5days and added 100mg deca E3.5days along with 50mg whinny daily. Plan to bump whinny to 75 daily after 2 weeks. This is my first time trying deca/whinny typically do tren A. We will see how the joints feel?????

**GearHeaded** · 10-10-2019, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by bethdoth

I just started a 12 week cycle yesterday. From HRT at 80mg test cyp E3.5days .... to 100mg test cypE3.5days and added 100mg deca E3.5days along with 50mg whinny daily. Plan to bump whinny to 75 daily after 2 weeks. This is my first time trying deca/whinny typically do tren A. We will see how the joints feel?????

I like deca and winny together . good choice

**KINGKONG** · 10-14-2019, 04:10 AM

Was it real Winstrol ?at 50mg a day stacked with even low dose test you should see good results considering everything else is In check..did it give you painful joints?it always has been harsh on my elbows..maybe you got a old bad or bunk batch?

**Octaneforce** · 10-16-2019, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by KINGKONG

Was it real Winstrol?at 50mg a day stacked with even low dose test you should see good results considering everything else is In check..did it give you painful joints?it always has been harsh on my elbows..maybe you got a old bad or bunk batch?

It did make my back hurt. Didnt notice joint pain. Just an unusual very noticable twinge/ache in my back

**powerliftmike** · 10-20-2019, 09:02 AM

Winstrol is actually one of the milder AAS, but it does work well. I have horrible joint pain on it and it led to different injuries every time I used it. If it didnt work for you (assuming you had real stuff) then just move on. We hear it all the time: learn your body. It really is true. I hear about anavar adding good strength for people and other positives, it does absolutely nothing for me except make me tired. Halotestin doesnt give me the aggression that others claim either. Both are rather useless to me. Winstrol did add strength for me, but then working through an injury the next 3-18 months was a complete waste; more harm than good for me.