Liver support while taking oral steroids

[JohnnyV85]

Currently Im taking 30mg dbol daily, looking to ramp it up to 40mg starting tomorrow.
Ive been taking the following every morning for liver support and Im wondering if its enough or of I should double up the dose..

1000mg NAC
375mg Livercare
250mg TUDCA

Thanks in advance

[GearHeaded]

Currently Im taking 30mg dbol daily, looking to ramp it up to 40mg starting tomorrow.
Ive been taking the following every morning for liver support and Im wondering if its enough or of I should double up the dose..

1000mg NAC
375mg Livercare
250mg TUDCA

Thanks in advance

I would keep it right there for now . then when you come off the Dbol then you can ramp up the dosages of those sups for a short time.

for guys that are really tight on money, I'd advise some of the more pricey sups like Tudca just be ran for a short time AFTER the Dbol cycle rather then during it. Or just running NAC by itself at high dosages, which is cheap.

I'm sure your liver support stack was more pricey then the Dbol itself

[JohnnyV85]

I would keep it right there for now . then when you come off the Dbol then you can ramp up the dosages of those sups for a short time.

for guys that are really tight on money, I'd advise some of the more pricey sups like Tudca just be ran for a short time AFTER the Dbol cycle rather then during it. Or just running NAC by itself at high dosages, which is cheap.

I'm sure your liver support stack was more pricey then the Dbol itself

Well... I do need my liver lol

Question, why ramp up the dosages after I get off the dbol opposed to while I'm on it?

[GearHeaded]

because wither you take liver support or not , in order for you liver to metabolize the dbol liver enzymes HAVE TO elevate. when off the Dbol the liver support will be more effective (ie, liver enzymes should drop way lower) .

its like taking an aspirin when your at a party getting drunk , rather then taking the aspirin the next day when your hangover has kicked in (its more effective the next day)

[JohnnyV85]

Makes perfect sense, thanks GH

[Windex]

Injectable Glutathione and Udoxyl are both a million times better than what you are taking. NAC is mediocre at best, TUDCA is outdated and Livercare may as well be children's gummy vitamins.

[Ashop]

We have used Synthergine with great success the last several years. I've seen blood work over and over proving its effects. One in particular was an alcoholic friend who's never been or bodybuilder or used AAS with a bad liver and his numbers improved dramatically in less than 12 weeks.

[AR's King Silabolin]

I would keep it right there for now . then when you come off the Dbol then you can ramp up the dosages of those sups for a short time.

for guys that are really tight on money, I'd advise some of the more pricey sups like Tudca just be ran for a short time AFTER the Dbol cycle rather then during it. Or just running NAC by itself at high dosages, which is cheap.

I'm sure your liver support stack was more pricey then the Dbol itself

U know any studies that show otc herbs help on the enzymes?
I ran low dose dbol n tren and NAC yet i had borderhigh x 5 5 weeks after.
Bostin Loyd said its a waist and say what u will about the dude, but he has some knowledge.

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[GearHeaded]

U know any studies that show otc herbs help on the enzymes?
I ran low dose dbol n tren and NAC yet i had borderhigh x 5 5 weeks after.
Bostin Loyd said its a waist and say what u will about the dude, but he has some knowledge.

well I don't know shit about any herbs doing much for liver enzymes or any studies using herbs.

as for NAC . thats not an herb
"Cysteine is a semiessential proteinogenic amino acid with the formula HO₂CCHCH₂SH. The thiol side chain in cysteine often participates in enzymatic reactions, as a nucleophile. The thiol is susceptible to oxidation to give the disulfide derivative cystine, which serves an important structural role in many proteins.""

this amino acid promotes the creation of Glutathione in the body ..
Glutathione is capable of preventing damage to important cellular components caused by reactive oxygen species such as free radicals, peroxides, lipid peroxides, and heavy metals.


so again , No Herbs here

and yes plenty of studies have been done showing liver support and reduction of enzymes and also why these things are used in medicine , and not just bodybuilding circles .


as for your situation . of course your liver enzymes were high. you were taking Dbol. your liver enzymes elevate as a response to metabolizing the Dbol (doesn't matter what supplement you were taking or not). thats just the liver doing its job. NAC isn't going to prevent the liver from doing its job.

IF you really wanted to know if NAC helps lower liver enzymes you would need to take your Dbol .. then stop taking it. then wait 3 weeks, then get liver values checked, then take NAC for 5 weeks, then take liver values again and see if they came down substantially or not .
again, no supplement is going to stop liver enzymes from going up in the first place during the metabolizing of oral AAS . thats not how liver support works. they may help the oxidize stress during the metabolic process, but they don't stop the process itself (and the process itself includes elevation of enzymes).

[AR's King Silabolin]

well I don't know shit about any herbs doing much for liver enzymes or any studies using herbs.

as for NAC . thats not an herb
"Cysteine is a semiessential proteinogenic amino acid with the formula HO₂CCHCH₂SH. The thiol side chain in cysteine often participates in enzymatic reactions, as a nucleophile. The thiol is susceptible to oxidation to give the disulfide derivative cystine, which serves an important structural role in many proteins.""

this amino acid promotes the creation of Glutathione in the body ..
Glutathione is capable of preventing damage to important cellular components caused by reactive oxygen species such as free radicals, peroxides, lipid peroxides, and heavy metals.


so again , No Herbs here

and yes plenty of studies have been done showing liver support and reduction of enzymes and also why these things are used in medicine , and not just bodybuilding circles .


as for your situation . of course your liver enzymes were high. you were taking Dbol . your liver enzymes elevate as a response to metabolizing the Dbol (doesn't matter what supplement you were taking or not). thats just the liver doing its job. NAC isn't going to prevent the liver from doing its job.

IF you really wanted to know if NAC helps lower liver enzymes you would need to take your Dbol .. then stop taking it. then wait 3 weeks, then get liver values checked, then take NAC for 5 weeks, then take liver values again and see if they came down substantially or not .
again, no supplement is going to stop liver enzymes from going up in the first place during the metabolizing of oral AAS . thats not how liver support works. they may help the oxidize stress during the metabolic process, but they don't stop the process itself (and the process itself includes elevation of enzymes).

Good info and not trying to be an ass. Im just trying to release knowledge. So... Your answer is contradictional though... U said plenty of studies show reduced enzymes, yet u admit liversupport dont reduce enzymes.
Peace

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[CALLMEOCT]

Liver support wise i always take NAC 600mg morning, plus another 600mg at night.

Also 2 pills of a liver support supplement that has TUDCA; split morning-night too.

[GearHeaded]

Good info and not trying to be an ass. Im just trying to release knowledge. So... Your answer is contradictional though... U said plenty of studies show reduced enzymes, yet u admit liversupport dont reduce enzymes.
Peace

the process of the liver metabolizing oral AAS is going to raise liver enzymes. period.. thats just how the liver works. I never said liver support sups don't lower enzymes , I said that studies have shown that they do. I only said that during the process of the liver metabolizing the oral AAS that liver enzymes are going to go up either way (no matter what sups your running), BUT after the fact, yes the liver support sups are going to help.

this is consistent with what I said in my very first response to the OP as well - he is better off running higher dosages of his liver support AFTER his cycle rather then during his cycle

[Wyatt 88]

the process of the liver metabolizing oral AAS is going to raise liver enzymes. period.. thats just how the liver works. I never said liver support sups don't lower enzymes , I said that studies have shown that they do. I only said that during the process of the liver metabolizing the oral AAS that liver enzymes are going to go up either way (no matter what sups your running), BUT after the fact, yes the liver support sups are going to help.

this is consistent with what I said in my very first response to the OP as well - he is better off running higher dosages of his liver support AFTER his cycle rather then during his cycle

I always thought the best time to protect your liver with NAC and Tudca was on cycle. The reason for this is because the damage has already been done if you wait till off cycle or on cruise

[GearHeaded]

I always thought the best time to protect your liver with NAC and Tudca was on cycle. The reason for this is because the damage has already been done if you wait till off cycle or on cruise

the liver is highly regenerative . the point of on cycle support is to help limit oxidative stress , so yes take the liver support while on cycle, but your liver enzymes are still going up either way (you can't stop that). when your cycle is over I would run more liver support though, thats when your liver regenerates