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    First Test E cycle, few questions

    Hi everyone.
    New poster. Sorry in advance if the questions are elementary, dumb, or don't all belong here, but I could really use some help.

    39 years old. 18 years of serious lifting. 196 lbs, 10-11% bodyfat. Wanted to go AAS way for a long time, but had problems with varicocele and spermcount for like a decade. 3 surgeries. Just got my second kid and I will surely never want another. Diest ist implemented and good. Wont bother you with it. I am one of those that sees makros by just looking at the food after so many years of lifting. Got good "aesthetics genetic", lose or gain weight is easy for me. New muscle at my age, not any more.

    The cycle I plan to do is in the Austinite sticky, will follow it to the letter. Starting November 1st. All the stuff I have already. Bloodwork ist done. All good.

    Here are my questions for starters:

    1. Cialis. Tried it 3 times, every time 2.5 mg, to see what to expect. Had a headache each time. I am healthy, libido was never a problem. But with 2.5 mg only, had erections literally from feeling the jeans or whatever, and for like 5 days each time. 10 mg daily as recommended is out of the question for me. And the question is, would something as low as 2.5 mg eod do anything good for prostate health and blood pressure while on cycle?

    2. Gyno. Maybe this was asked a thousand times. I am an MD, have access to everything, but I can't simply have bloodwork with hormone levels done, any time I want. In which moment, when I feel what in the nippels, should I do what? Sorry if it sounds confusing. Raloxifen? Tamoxifen ? Arimidex double the dose? Any help here appreciated.

    3. Anastrozole. That is what I have. Arimidex is 4 times more expensive here. I am hoping this should not be an issue, generics? My Cialis was actually no cialis but tadalafil but seemed to have worked better als fine.

    4. Last question for now. Here is my curse. I need to squat. Without squats I lose thickness. Without squats I basicaly maintain leg size. And I really wanna improve my legs a bit more. And the problem is, when I squat often, I have a skullcrusher similar tendinitis situations in knees. Regardless of weight, volume, sleeves, wraps, you name it.
    Legs/forearms; back/rear delt/traps/biceps; chest/shouldrrs/tris split works great for everything except my knees/legs. Lower leg training freqeuncy is better for my thighs and knees because I can squat but I don't wanna change the frequency of other body parts. I am a high intensity guy, never really neede more than 12 sets per BP to trigger growth.
    Question is, how much is a "split" or frequency gonna matter on cycle, or even more specific, will the other "big" leg exercises, which normaly barely do, produce a growth responce when on test?

    Was so near to starting a cycle about 8 years ago, but had some problems and gave up.

    Thank you
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    There was a lot of other info clouding the actual question, so I hope I'm answering the right thing


    1. Cialis. Tried it 3 times, every time 2.5 mg, to see what to expect. Had a headache each time
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    Don't take it, you don't need it
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    2. Gyno. Tamoxifen ?
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    Yes. I do: 20mg/day for 2 weeks, 10mg/day until it's gone
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    3. Anastrozole. That is what I have. Arimidex is 4 times more expensive here.
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    I THINK anastrozole works differently (edit: didn't know it was samesame). You want arimidex or aromasin . The consensus around here is that estrogen helps build muscle, so people are going to tell you not to take an AI unless you get gyno symptoms (which point 0.25mcg adex EOD depending on your estrogen levels plus the tamoxifen mentioned earlier). I would run an AI personally because I am estrogen sensitive but that's a choice you have to make for yourself
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    Question is, how much is a "split" or frequency gonna matter on cycle, or even more specific, will the other "big" leg exercises, which normaly barely do, produce a growth responce when on test?
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    Yes, you want to train as frequently as you can recover. AAS improves recovery time. Some people it's legs once a week, for some they can do three times a week. Don't go fucking up your knees though, you need them. Only do as frequently as they can recover properly
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    Hey there mate, will try to answer what I can.

    For those who haven't read the sticky, this is what he wants to do -
    - Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
    - Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
    - Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

    1. Cialis. - I do not have much experience in this department so better to have someone more knowledgeable chime in.

    2. Gyno. I am very hard pressed to see that 500mg of test is going to give you ANY gyno problems. I would not be worried about it because even if you do feel a slight sensativly in the nipples elevated E2 levels during a cycle of test are GOOD. Don't pump these cancer drugs into your cycle that will just hinder gains. Not to mention you are only going 12 weeks and want to PCT after not cruise so you will take care of the estrogen then.

    3. Anastrozole. Anastrozole IS Arimidex. That's like saying, should I take Xanax or Alprazolam? The Xanax is like 4 times as much! Well yes, that's because you comparing name brand to generic.

    4. Why don't you tell us a little bit about your goals and we can help you from there? Are you trying to bulk up and gain muscle? Are you ok with just flooding yourself with cals for the sake of muscle and leaning out later or are you really only looking for lean gains?

    I would add another compound in there other than just test but don't want to suggest anything till we know where you are going with this. Also, are you getting all this stuff over the counter or UGL?

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    Thanks for the replies, guys.

    "Anastrozole IS Arimidex ". Yes I know ��. I am in the medical field myself, know of many examples where generic compared to brand is cr*p. But no experience with AI. Hence the question. Just had to ask, sorry.

    As for the goals:
    Yes, I am going for the new muscle. Kinda never liked the word bulking ��. I have been lifting for a very long time, I would be EXTREMELY happy with 4-5 kg of new muscle after the first cycle and after fighting hard to actually keep it, at same BF% as now, when everything is over. I would NOT be unhappy with 3kg.

    I have plans, read diets/diet experiences for both options djnuffsaid mentioned, I would have no problem with gaining like 25 + pounds of everything then leaning out. But I guess it will not happen so easily with AI? After months of reading different opinions and talking to people, I decided to go with hcg and AI on cycle, test only.

    I live in Europe, test is pharma grade, all the stuff Is real, no chance in h*ll of something being fake.
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    just my 2 cents here .. but think you'd probably get better results only running like 300mg of test, with No AI , and then fill in the gap with something like Anavar at 50mg per day .

    a 500mg of test only cycle has an anabolic rating of 500 .. the combo above has an anabolic rating of about 1600 . big difference . plus with the Var and low dose test you won't need to worry about an AI (most guys don't need to worry about an AI anyways)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    just my 2 cents here .. but think you'd probably get better results only running like 300mg of test, with No AI , and then fill in the gap with something like Anavar at 50mg per day .

    a 500mg of test only cycle has an anabolic rating of 500 .. the combo above has an anabolic rating of about 1600 . big difference . plus with the Var and low dose test you won't need to worry about an AI (most guys don't need to worry about an AI anyways)
    I live in a different country now, since recently. Here, I still have no contacts to buy any orals or injectables and be sure I bought the right stuff. Only good test E form the pharmacy. And that is also, after a lot of thinking and research the only one I want in the first cycle. I also highly doubt it will be my only cycle, so I will leave the stacking for later...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    just my 2 cents here .. but think you'd probably get better results only running like 300mg of test, with No AI , and then fill in the gap with something like Anavar at 50mg per day .

    a 500mg of test only cycle has an anabolic rating of 500 .. the combo above has an anabolic rating of about 1600 . big difference . plus with the Var and low dose test you won't need to worry about an AI (most guys don't need to worry about an AI anyways)
    I honestly have to agree with GH on this one. Not a huge fan of test only cycles though - might as well get the most out of your cycle. Anavar is not cheap but worth it.

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    Anastrazole = Arimidex
    Tadalafil = Cialis

    I would think a doctor would know these things.

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    Yeah... He said he was a doctor. But didn't know what drugs were what.
    And couldn't afford adex bc it was expensive?
    I thought docs made good money and adex is supposed to be the cheapest script for an AI. Last I heard it was 36$ out of pocket for 30 1mg tabs.
    I just assumed he lived in another country and was like a dentist or some shit

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    Doctor can also mean PhD
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    Test only cycles aren’t incredibly effective under 1000mg per week (at least for me, that’s where they really start to take off). If you’re estrogen sensitive testosterone isn’t the compound for you. I’d just hold off until you have some other tools at your disposal. You’ll get a lot more out your cycle, with a lot less issues.

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    Arimidex is 195 euros for 30 1mg tablets. Anastrozole is 32 euros.
    Can I afford the brand name? Probably. Do I want to, not if I don't have to. I stated my concerns because I have experiences with major differences in potency between brand and generic, with other drugs. If you can't/don't/don't wanna read carefuly what I wrote, and post to bust my bawlz, that's also ok.

    This forum is probably like any other. I asked about a very first cycle exactly as in the sticky, not intending to change anything. I get replies to add compounds. That is also ok. Probably should have expected that.

    I pretty much got my answers except regarding cialis. Thanks. I should probably only ask new potential questions after the start of the cycle, if something new/unexpected happens.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiza View Post
    Arimidex is 195 euros for 30 1mg tablets. Anastrozole is 32 euros.
    Can I afford the brand name? Probably. Do I want to, not if I don't have to. I stated my concerns because I have experiences with major differences in potency between brand and generic, with other drugs. If you can't/don't/don't wanna read carefuly what I wrote, and post to bust my bawlz, that's also ok.

    This forum is probably like any other. I asked about a very first cycle exactly as in the sticky, not intending to change anything. I get replies to add compounds. That is also ok. Probably should have expected that.

    I pretty much got my answers except regarding cialis. Thanks. I should probably only ask new potential questions after the start of the cycle, if something new/unexpected happens.

    Thanks.
    That's interesting. There's difference in potency? Is 1mcg arimidex not 1mcg anastrozole? In the US there are guidelines how close they have to be in dosing, I think it's +/- 5% (could be wrong).
    What's your question for Cialis? Like I said before, if 2.5 is giving you headaches and making you that sensitive, you probably don't need it in the first place and it's not worth it. Do you have prostate and bp issues? If not, unless you're running a ridiculous cycle, using it preventively is not necessary. If you're just using it for a preworkout, use a OTC pump supplement

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    Guys, I have a few more questions, if you don't mind.

    1. Stuff comes here differently than in US, I guess. For example, my test came in 1cc 250 mg ampules, no vials, which I find great, makes thing easier. But 5000iu HCG came in a very, very small vial, with like 1cc of mixing water in an ampule. Instructions: for i.m. injection, store under 25C- this I find irrelevant, I will do it s.c. and use bacteriostatic watter and store in the fridge after mixing. I really hope I can fit 2 CCs in this small vial. But if I can't, I am stuck with 1cc of water, which would mean my 250iu dose would be 0.05 CCs per injection. Which is also ok, I am used to injecting exactly that much volume, aka 5 units of insulin . I am kinda afraid of destroying the rubber cap of such a small vial by doing this 20 times.
    Is it ok to pull out 20 doses right away through the same needle right after initial mixing and simply keep 20 injections in the fridge?

    2. I nevert hought I would reconsider anything, but I am seriously reconsidering leaving AI out and having it on hand. In case of gyno symptoms, do as told, start AI and Tamoxifen . If this scenario were to happen: I countinue AI till PCT starts(dose depending on E2) and I simply stop Tamoxifen after gyno symptoms are gone? And does anything change on the initial PCT plan in this case?

    3. The consensus where I now live is completely different than in USA. Noone mentions or even does 12 weeks 250 mg e3.5d. They all go 16, much more often 20 weeks for the first test e cycle, 250 e5d. Now, I don't wanna do 20. I have 30 ampules, meaning 6 will stay unused. Does 15 weeks e3.5d 250 mg make sense? Would there be major or minor differences in PCT or anything else on cycle? If 15 weeks for a virgin doesn't make sense, than it is simple, I will keep the 6 ampules for the next cycle.

    Thanks

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    I don't know the answer for the rest of the questions, but with the fourth I can relate. I messed up my knee doing a jump kick and until it recovered a bit (there's still room for improvement) I used short-ranged motions when working with weights (90 dregrees squats). My mobility allows for more, but I do that only with my bodyweight. Test e helped my recovery a bit, I think water retention helps with joint pain or something like that.

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    I, personally, find I get better responses if I keep my questions succinct. All the other stuff obscures the question. I think I deleted everything but the question in itself and will try to answer to the best of my knowledge.

    1. 5000iu HCG came in a very, very small vial, with like 1cc of mixing water in an ampule. I really hope I can fit 2 CCs in this small vial.
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    -If it's the vial I am thinking of, you should have no problem w 2ccs
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    Is it ok to pull out 20 doses right away through the same needle right after initial mixing and simply keep 20 injections in the fridge?
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    -Yes, this goes for things mixed with sterile water or bac. Some stuff have more powerful solvents and if left too long will eat up the plunger.
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    2. I simply stop Tamoxifen after gyno symptoms are gone?
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    - yes unless you're still in pct protocol
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    And does anything change on the initial PCT plan in this case?
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    - i think the first 2 weeks (I think it's 2) is a loading type phase (tamoxifen needs to build up), but you already have it built up. I would just subtract the amount you're taking from what's recommended so it nets the same. But I don't think it really matters.
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    3. Does 15 weeks e3.5d 250 mg make sense?
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    -yes
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    Would there be major or minor differences in PCT or anything else on cycle?
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    -no
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    Agree with GH here - 500mg is not a low dose of test and will give a lot of guys elevated estrogen issues. It is better to not have to use an AI unless you need one. 300test + an anabolic such as anavar will give better gains and less sides. This doesn't mean you can't get elevated estrogen (some guys on TRT need an AI) - just means that most men will be okay. Personally, 400mg test doesn't raise my estrogen.

    In terms of your squatting and development. If Squatting hurts your legs so much you can either a. figure out why and fix it b. not squat.
    It is possible to grow great legs without squatting as evidenced by pro bodybuilders such as Dorian Yates.

    Goodluck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    I, personally, find I get better responses if I keep my questions succinct. All the other stuff obscures the question.
    I apologize. English is not my mother tongue, I actually did try to keep it as simple as I could, lol.
    Thanks a LOT for the help, though!

    Quote Originally Posted by jackfrost88 View Post
    1. If Squatting hurts your legs so much you can either a. figure out why and fix it b. not squat.
    2. It is possible to grow great legs without squatting as evidenced by pro bodybuilders such as Dorian Yates.
    1. I get tendinitis in knees if I squat "to often". When it happens, it is bad. My knees have a lot of mileage and that manifests nowadays exactly where and when I don't want it to manifest...

    2. I know. But unfortunately I never could have without squats. At least not when natural. I wish I could/could have. I will figure it out. If it happens I hope I get the new growth I aim for with other exercises.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiza View Post
    Guys, I have a few more questions, if you don't mind.

    1. Stuff comes here differently than in US, I guess. For example, my test came in 1cc 250 mg ampules, no vials, which I find great, makes thing easier. But 5000iu HCG came in a very, very small vial, with like 1cc of mixing water in an ampule. Instructions: for i.m. injection, store under 25C- this I find irrelevant, I will do it s.c. and use bacteriostatic watter and store in the fridge after mixing. I really hope I can fit 2 CCs in this small vial. But if I can't, I am stuck with 1cc of water, which would mean my 250iu dose would be 0.05 CCs per injection. Which is also ok, I am used to injecting exactly that much volume, aka 5 units of insulin . I am kinda afraid of destroying the rubber cap of such a small vial by doing this 20 times.
    Is it ok to pull out 20 doses right away through the same needle right after initial mixing and simply keep 20 injections in the fridge?

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    If the HCG vial you are using is the one of the Gonasi 5000 you should be fine to draw 20 times. I had a very similar vial when I used Melanotan 2. I draw from the plastic cap more than 20 times with the SQ syringe and never had a problem. You just have to be sure to hit the center of the vial that's softer.
    If you are concerned with concentration tought you can always draw all your HCG from the original Vial and inject into a new and bigger Vial and than add solvent in the quantity you are more comfortable with. Sterile Vials are easily bought.
    Where in Europe do you live?

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    My HCG is Brevactid 5000. I am in Germany. Bac water is my only problem. Never thought it would be a problem til I tried to get some like a week ago. You can't buy it. They don't sell it. I will either have to order from a neighbour country, or make my own with BA and NaCl or injectionwater. I will figure it out. The second option and a bigger new steril vial sounds much better. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiza View Post
    My HCG is Brevactid 5000. I am in Germany. Bac water is my only problem. Never thought it would be a problem til I tried to get some like a week ago. You can't buy it. They don't sell it. I will either have to order from a neighbour country, or make my own with BA and NaCl or injectionwater. I will figure it out. The second option and a bigger new steril vial sounds much better. Thanks
    Maybe in Germany is like here in Italy, they don't call it "bacteriostatic water", here i have to ask for "apirogenic water for injection" or simply "water for injection" that's a different product from "Steryl water".
    If you still can't find it you can add Benzyl Alcol to Sterile Water to create Bac Water, but i think it is way more easier for you to buy it from a neighbour country in Europe. If you search for an online store that sells peptides they will ship Bac Water as well. Shipment is usually cheap: my supplier of peptides is from Lithuania and shipment is 10 euros here in Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    just my 2 cents here .. but think you'd probably get better results only running like 300mg of test, with No AI , and then fill in the gap with something like Anavar at 50mg per day .

    a 500mg of test only cycle has an anabolic rating of 500 .. the combo above has an anabolic rating of about 1600 . big difference . plus with the Var and low dose test you won't need to worry about an AI (most guys don't need to worry about an AI anyways)
    Would you mind explain more, laying down a cycle and eventual PCT please ?

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