Please help critique and add suggestions to my 17 week cycle... currently on week 1

[tripmachine]

Hey guys I tried asking a guy on this forum who seems to know a lot but I guess he's too busy or I don't have good enough questions for him to reply so I figured I would post here and ask anyone who has something to chime in with. My goals are to gain lean mass and stay lean at the same time.... I am going to Hawaii February 2020 and I've always been pretty much the fat kid in life unless I was working out .... I was 220lbs january this year.... now I'm 197 lbs about 15% bf... maybe higher? but I'm way leaner than before.

My cycle is 17 weeks... I have not plugged in Clen / t3, letro, nolva... nothing like that so if anyone thinks they could help plug those in feel free, much appreciated! I'm currently running clen and t3 clen 40-50 mcg's ed and t3 about 60mcg's Anyway please advise, critique, call me dumb, help me out, etc... Thank you guys! I have a bottle of winny (maybe 2) not sure if that helps with what i've got going on. I can also place more of an order. I want my wife to realize if it's not her, it'll probably be another woman! get it? lol


Thank you for all the help!

Week 1
Test e - 150mg x2/week
Var - 60mg ed
Anadrol - 80mg ed

Week 2
Test e - 150mg x2/week
Var - 60mg ed
Anaadrol - 80mg ed
prorviron- 50mg ed
endurobol- 10mg ed

Week 3
Test e - 150mg x2/week
Var - 60mg ed
Anaadrol - 80mg ed
prorviron- 50mg ed
endurobol- 10mg ed

Week 4
Test e - 150mg x2/week
Var - 60mg ed
prorviron- 50mg ed
endurobol- 10mg ed
Dbol - 30mg ed

Week 5
Test e - 150mg x2/week
prorviron- 50mg ed
endurobol- 10mg ed
Dbol - 30mg ed
Anadrol - 80mg ed

Week 6
Test e - 150mg x2/week
prorviron- 50mg ed
endurobol- 10mg ed
Dbol - 30mg ed
Anadrol - 80mg ed

Week 7
Test p - 75mg ed
Mast p - 125mg ed
Tren a - 75 mg ed
proviron - 75 mg ed
anadrol - 80 mg ed
dbol - 30 mg ed
endruobol- 10 mg ed

week 8
Test p - 75mg ed
Mast p - 125mg ed
Tren a - 75 mg ed
proviron - 75 mg ed
endruobol- 10 mg ed

week 9
Test p - 75mg ed
Mast p - 125mg ed
Tren a - 75 mg ed
proviron - 75 mg ed
endruobol- 10 mg ed

week 10
Test p - 75mg ed
Mast p - 125mg ed
Tren a - 75 mg ed
proviron - 75 mg ed
endruobol- 10 mg ed

week 11
Test p - 75mg ed
Mast p - 125mg ed
Tren a - 75 mg ed
proviron - 75 mg ed
endruobol- 10 mg ed

week 12
Test p - 75mg ed
Mast p - 125mg ed
Tren a - 75 mg ed
proviron - 75 mg ed
endruobol- 10 mg ed

Week 13
Test p - 75mg ed
Mast p - 125mg ed
Tren a - 75 mg ed
proviron - 75 mg ed
endruobol- 10 mg ed

Week 14
Test p - 75mg ed
Mast p - 125mg ed
Tren a - 75 mg ed
proviron - 75 mg ed
endruobol- 10 mg ed

Week 15
Test p - 75mg ed
Mast p - 125mg ed
Tren a - 75 mg ed
proviron - 75 mg ed
endruobol- 10 mg ed

Week 16
Test p - 75mg ed
Mast p - 125mg ed
Tren a - 75 mg ed
proviron - 75 mg ed
endruobol- 10 mg ed

Week 17
Test p - 75mg ed
Mast p - 125mg ed
Tren a - 75 mg ed
proviron - 75 mg ed
endruobol- 10 mg ed

[The Deadlifting Dog]

now I'm 197 lbs about 15% bf... maybe higher? but I'm way leaner than before.

Week 7
Test p - 75mg ed
Mast p - 125mg ed
Tren a - 75 mg ed
proviron - 75 mg ed
anadrol - 80 mg ed
dbol - 30 mg ed
endruobol- 10 mg ed

So you're 6'2" tall and 197lbs and 15+% bodyfat....
Just looking at one week about... without counting the proviron....
You seriously think you need 2.7 grams of gear to grow some lean mass???

This cycle is WAY overkill...

There are guys on this forum that know far more than me...
And they will list ADVANCED cycles.
The problem is... you are so far from advanced that you could simply do test and var and get good results.

Also, you really should throw some hCG in there IMHO.

I could go on and on....
7 weeks of orals with 6 weeks being well over 100mgs a day... without counting proviron
11 weeks of tren A at 500mg... you won't even be married by the end of that


Do not put the cart before the horse.
Learn to eat and train and supplement with drugs.
Don't rely on the drugs.

[tripmachine]

So you're 6'2" tall and 197lbs and 15+% bodyfat....
Just looking at one week about... without counting the proviron....
You seriously think you need 2.7 grams of gear to grow some lean mass???

This cycle is WAY overkill...

There are guys on this forum that know far more than me...
And they will list ADVANCED cycles.
The problem is... you are so far from advanced that you could simply do test and var and get good results.

Also, you really should throw some hCG in there IMHO.

I could go on and on....
7 weeks of orals with 6 weeks being well over 100mgs a day... without counting proviron
11 weeks of tren A at 500mg... you won't even be married by the end of that


Do not put the cart before the horse.
Learn to eat and train and supplement with drugs.
Don't rely on the drugs.

So your advice with my cycle is to do Test and Var? lol... That's exactly what I'm doing... along with other compounds. GearHead is the one telling me to use multiple compounds (for phase cycling) and then he just stopped replying so here I am asking others since he's a busy man. So that is what I came up with hoping some members wouldn't mind helping me alter add too or take away from what I proposed. So really all I got out of the above message is:

learn to diet
do test and var only (currently am)
and add hcg.... great advice thanks! (i have HCG by the way... just didn't know when or where to put it)

Instead of telling me to add hcg.. why not help me out by making a suggestion on where you think the hcg should be added and how much? (do research you may say) I'm I'm asking for some help in altering my cycle if need be but I'm not asking for someone to tell me to do a test and var only cycle. Trust me I won't be divorced after tren test mast... I'm not new to tren nor gear. And if you're one to say 'well you should be 300 lbs by now with 8% body fat. I'll just laugh because some people always think everyone has the goal to be the biggest possible to go compete.

Anyway any other advice, criticism, help is welcome but the only help I got from the above message was to add hcg (without a suggestion on when and how much) and to do test and var only. Ok i'll keep that in mind

Thanks and I hope some others will chime in with more of an open mind to help me out rather than spit out the regular 'go figure your diet out first pal' If someone is going to cycle NO MATTER WHAT... I'd sure like some real help not 'go figure out how to diet' this is regarding the cycle i've taken time to write out (as I've been told in the past WRITE IT OUT BEFORE WE WILL HELP YOU lol and then I DO write it out to be told to do test var only and go learn how to diet.

[tripmachine]

Learn to eat and train and supplement with drugs.
Don't rely on the drugs.

Who told you I don't know how to eat and train anyway? lol that's such an assumption. You don't even know me nor have I ever talked to you about my training and diet. So funny how that phrase is so tossed around all the time. Seriously you have NO clue if i know how to diet and train. You could be 289 lbs at 9% bf ..... GREAT! That doesn't mean someone who is under 200 lbs doesn't know how to diet and train. That just makes me laugh that you would say that to a person you don't know at all nor do you know what I eat and how I lift. Keep it up with the great advice though! "learn to eat and train" lol ok buddy

[tripmachine]

p.s. if that's you in your avatar..... in my opinion (a little biased though) I look way better than you!

[LiftingLevi]

I think you took what was meant to be constructive criticism from a knowledgeable individual as an insult... I read his reply and didn’t even read it that way. Look, you’re right none of us know you, but even I with my limited experience and only 3 cycles under my belt thing what you have listed is over board. Less IS more when it comes to compounds for any individual not competing in the IFBB for an Olympia spot. You want to look good for Hawaii? Great.. you ask for advice on this forum full of people with way more knowledge and years of experience above you? Then listen when it’s given. If you’re not willing to change anything even when it’s suggested then you came to the wrong place. There is an entire article on these forums for Proper HCG use during cycle leading all the way up to PCT. calm down, and remember to leave the ego at the door.

[tripmachine]

I think you took what was meant to be constructive criticism from a knowledgeable individual as an insult... I read his reply and didn’t even read it that way. Look, you’re right none of us know you, but even I with my limited experience and only 3 cycles under my belt thing what you have listed is over board. Less IS more when it comes to compounds for any individual not competing in the IFBB for an Olympia spot. You want to look good for Hawaii? Great.. you ask for advice on this forum full of people with way more knowledge and years of experience above you? Then listen when it’s given. If you’re not willing to change anything even when it’s suggested then you came to the wrong place. There is an entire article on these forums for Proper HCG use during cycle leading all the way up to PCT. calm down, and remember to leave the ego at the door.

Never mind the question then guys!! I will go find all the articles and read rather than talk to people. Great constructive criticism!!! Learn to train and eat right.... do test and var only... (which isn't my cycle... i have tren, mast, test, + more..) I'm not only doing test and var... I am running tren test mast.... now if you want to be more helpful and say stuff like 'I think you are doing too many orals at over 100mg ed for 6-7 weeks.... .my thoughts are to lower the dose of anadrol, drop the dbol until week...X.... add hcg weeks x and o... '

But constructive criticism is to say 'OVER KILL' 'LEARN TO EAT AND TRAIN' 'ONLY DO TEST AND VAR'


So you are saying 'The Deadlifting Dog' has way more experience under his belt?? Why so? because he has posted more than me? lol or because you guys are brothers and you know him personally? If you look who's been here longer it shows I have... but that doesn't mean anything either. I'm just wondering where you're getting he has way more experience than me

Also I never said I wasn't willing to change anything..... not at all. Sounds like you are suggesting since 'The deadlifting dog' said I should only do var and test I should follow what he says... THE ONLY REPLY SO FAR lol.. Come on man get real. Why would I just do exactly what the guy says to do?? 'do test and var' Uhhh no that's not my cycle. I didn't ask to remove key compounds from my cycle. I'm running test, tren, mast and proviron for sure. Now I was just coming here for some good ideas but I should have known the good ideas were going to be silly.


ANYWAY THREAD CLOSED good job deadlifting dog for being so helpful lol

[LiftingLevi]

Never mind the question then guys!! I will go find all the articles and read rather than talk to people. Great constructive criticism!!! Learn to train and eat right.... do test and var only... (which isn't my cycle... i have tren, mast, test, + more..) I'm not only doing test and var... I am running tren test mast.... now if you want to be more helpful and say stuff like 'I think you are doing too many orals at over 100mg ed for 6-7 weeks.... .my thoughts are to lower the dose of anadrol, drop the dbol until week...X.... add hcg weeks x and o... '

But constructive criticism is to say 'OVER KILL' 'LEARN TO EAT AND TRAIN' 'ONLY DO TEST AND VAR'


So you are saying 'The Deadlifting Dog' has way more experience under his belt?? Why so? because he has posted more than me? lol or because you guys are brothers and you know him personally? If you look who's been here longer it shows I have... but that doesn't mean anything either. I'm just wondering where you're getting he has way more experience than me

Also I never said I wasn't willing to change anything..... not at all. Sounds like you are suggesting since 'The deadlifting dog' said I should only do var and test I should follow what he says... THE ONLY REPLY SO FAR lol.. Come on man get real. Why would I just do exactly what the guy says to do?? 'do test and var' Uhhh no that's not my cycle. I didn't ask to remove key compounds from my cycle. I'm running test, tren, mast and proviron for sure. Now I was just coming here for some good ideas but I should have known the good ideas were going to be silly.


ANYWAY THREAD CLOSED good job deadlifting dog for being so helpful lol

Attitude like that, no one cares if you fail or succeed. Have fun in Hawaii looking like and feeling like trash.

[tripmachine]

Attitude like that, no one cares if you fail or succeed. Have fun in Hawaii looking like and feeling like trash.

Like I said I'll go do the reading so my attitude doesn't matter one bit. I'm not looking for answers from anyone anymore, I'll do the dig dig..... and TRUST me I already know how to run a cycle to look great for Hawaii dawgy.... (my current physique is already just fine for Hawaii) lol come on man l've been on this forum for 14 years.. I know how to cycle tren/test//mast If I just stick to that at 350mg ew i already KNOW i'll look great for Hawaii I'm just looking for a few ideas I haven't tried or a few things to lower or increase etc... knowledgeable member(s) to chime in on my cycle with ACTUAL advice regarding my cycle and compounds. That guy above Deadlifting dog is not some KNOW IT ALL experienced member... lol He must be your boyfriend if you're standing by his side holding his dick like this

p.s. and who are you chiming in on this post with nothing helpful lol??? You've been here a year and have 20 posts.... 2 of which on on this thread!!! What's that say? Says you like to waste your time with dumb ass replies

[Windex]

He gave you clear and unbiased advice - that you took as insults. Whether that's because lack of thick skin or whatever the case may be.

There are a lot of people who are not part of the "more drugs is better" group.

The diet and training piece is assumed based off your stats. I would assume the same thing at face value. I am of the belief anyone over 6ft under 200 is not eating properly. Unfortunately, most people cannot keep their ego in check to be able to recognize food is more anabolic than anything in a syringe or pill.

It's no different than if someone got in a car with a driving instructor after driving for 20 years and got told they were driving wrong. "But Mr driving instructor, I've never been in an accident, got a ticket, or pulled over, so how could I be driving wrong?"

After insulting a respected staff member (Deadlifitng Dog) peoples willingness to help you is basically zero.

[tripmachine]

So you're 6'2" tall and 197lbs and 15+% bodyfat....
Just looking at one week about... without counting the proviron....
You seriously think you need 2.7 grams of gear to grow some lean mass???

This cycle is WAY overkill...

There are guys on this forum that know far more than me...
And they will list ADVANCED cycles.
The problem is... you are so far from advanced that you could simply do test and var and get good results.

Also, you really should throw some hCG in there IMHO.

I could go on and on....
7 weeks of orals with 6 weeks being well over 100mgs a day... without counting proviron
11 weeks of tren A at 500mg... you won't even be married by the end of that


Do not put the cart before the horse.
Learn to eat and train and supplement with drugs.
Don't rely on the drugs.

He gave you clear and unbiased advice - that you took as insults. Whether that's because lack of thick skin or whatever the case may be.

There are a lot of people who are not part of the "more drugs is better" group.

The diet and training piece is assumed based off your stats. I would assume the same thing at face value. I am of the belief anyone over 6ft under 200 is not eating properly. Unfortunately, most people cannot keep their ego in check to be able to recognize food is more anabolic than anything in a syringe or pill.

It's no different than if someone got in a car with a driving instructor after driving for 20 years and got told they were driving wrong. "But Mr driving instructor, I've never been in an accident, got a ticket, or pulled over, so how could I be driving wrong?"

After insulting a respected staff member (Deadlifitng Dog) peoples willingness to help you is basically zero.

No worries like I said I am not asking for help anymore. Also I was 220 lbs over 6 feet tall.... so you would think that's ok then huh?? I was a fat fuck when I was 220... higher bf % but since it looks better to read that must say i'm an ok weight now since I'm over 200.. Come on I went from 220 like 30% bf to 197 like 15% YES KEEP GOING WITH DIET.... I get that. I will keep it going. That doesn't mean I'm still not going to ask about a cycle... Should I just no longer ask cycle advice because I'm under 200lbs now? I only get diet advice if I'm not back to over 200lbs? Kind of silly but I'll realize if I ask for help in one area, expect people to change the subject. I didn't ask for any diet advice on this thread.


edit.. Clear advice to not run my main compounds of my cycle... I just spent a good sum of money for my cycle... laid it out (with help being needed) but obviously the only help I got was 'don't run what you just spent a lot of money on, run test and var only' ok... sound advice!

[LiftingLevi]

It actually is sound advice. That money isn’t wasted, save the compounds for a different cycle. My first cycle I bought Dbol and Deca, then thanks to the people on these forums and some research I realized test only for a first cycle or two is the way to go. Guess what? I still have that Deca and Dbol to one day do another cycle with them. Money wasn’t “wasted”. That many compounds is going to mess with your body so bad. And if you get sides, especially severe ones, you might not at all know which compound they were coming from. If you wanted advice before “spending tons of money” you should of came here first, got a cycle laid out with the help of some individuals, and then made the purchase. Now, as Windex said, you’re stuck with no one wanting to help you due to the ignorant attitude you continue to display. Thin skin isn’t a good mix for cycling steroids. Have a good day.

[tripmachine]

It actually is sound advice. That money isn’t wasted, save the compounds for a different cycle. My first cycle I bought Dbol and Deca, then thanks to the people on these forums and some research I realized test only for a first cycle or two is the way to go. Guess what? I still have that Deca and Dbol to one day do another cycle with them. Money wasn’t “wasted”. That many compounds is going to mess with your body so bad. And if you get sides, especially severe ones, you might not at all know which compound they were coming from. If you wanted advice before “spending tons of money” you should of came here first, got a cycle laid out with the help of some individuals, and then made the purchase. Now, as Windex said, you’re stuck with no one wanting to help you due to the ignorant attitude you continue to display. Thin skin isn’t a good mix for cycling steroids. Have a good day.

This is NOT my first cycle... I have run Tren test mast 3-4 times in my life so far.. Why would I take some 'sound advice' as if I've never ran tren before and not run it? This IS my next cycle.... so why would I save it for my next one when this already is my next one lol. The cycle i laid out was there to be modified with members opinions and advice... the only opinion was to only do test and var. That's not an option for me as I'm running a TREN / TEST / MAST cycle I don't know how many times I would have to say that to make people understand I'm not running a test /var cycle. My cycle is TREN TEST MAST with many other compounds I have... I don't need to run them ALL I know this. I put a wild cycle up to get help chipping it down a bit taking things out at certain times... adding others at other times. That is why I was asking for opinions and help modifying the cycle I proposed. For some reason you telling me I need to take 'sound advice' and do ONLY TEST // VAR is crazy! I came here letting you know I'm running tren/test/mast as primary compounds. The first 6 weeks though are test//var for sure but december I start TREN TEST MAST. lol I put it in caps and I have repeated myself multiple times but you two still don't see it. If I don't just do Test and Var only I'm not taking 'sound advice'

[The Deadlifting Dog]

tripmachine,

I was trying to offer helpful advice.

I will make it easier for you to understand with pictures this time....



The picture on the right is you one month ago while on cycle....

That level of development doesn't require 2.7 grams of gear a week.
If you want to disregard your health then feel free.
I am simply trying to help.

And if you think your physique is way more impressive then a powerlifter who is ten years older than you then congrats.

[LiftingLevi]

Yeah tripmachine, from those pictures you need a lot more help than I think anyone knew

[Wyatt 88]

I don't think that physique requires any gear. If you go to the homepage there's some good examples of basic Cycles.

[tripmachine]

lol you guys are funny... nobody said that physique required gear! And I didn't say I was a power lifter, I just don't think you look good as you don't think i do. Opinions are opinions aren't they! Either way this thread never got a chance... keep digging and doing your research to 'try' and make me feel bad but good luck it'll take about 5000 pages of insults and then maybe I'll shed a tear for you Anyway like I said I'll READ as I've been told rather than ask. PEACE!

[LiftingLevi]

Someone’s skin is thin asf.

[tripmachine]

and on the right a few weeks after the middle.... either way NOBODY said my physique required gear!! To use gear I don't have to get your permission, if I'm going to fuck myself up so are you. Either way for ME I look great and.... I want to cycle. (not what you TELL me to cycle) I was asking for modifications on MY CYCLE PROPOSED and if your modification proposed is 'remove it all and only do test / var' I'll let you know that I'm not going that route like i've stated many times... I'm doing TEST p // tren a // mast p + proviron. All the other stuff I could careless about other than GearHeaded started telling me to mix this in and mix that in etc... then I never heard from him again when I was trying to ask for a little more adivce. I take it here and i'm told what to do. anyway good job. I'm just saying I like how i look better than I like how you look!

[tripmachine]

Someone’s skin is thin asf.

you're welcome for me helping you get your post count up! Thin skin is great!

[LiftingLevi]

The fact you’re using a post count to determine my worth/knowledge is absolutely hilarious. Are you also planning on doing NPC events in the next few months? I live fairly close to you, inland empire, come out and compete and let’s see who knows more about diet/training/proper cycling.

[Myers]

Geez this thread... Gj deadlifting dog for still staying calm after all this lol...
Trip are u sure u need tren when u got so agitated by a few replies over the internet?

[LiftingLevi]

People hear the power of tren and automatically think it’s for them. Little do they know just how “powerful” it is.

[tripmachine]

The fact you’re using a post count to determine my worth/knowledge is absolutely hilarious. Are you also planning on doing NPC events in the next few months? I live fairly close to you, inland empire, come out and compete and let’s see who knows more about diet/training/proper cycling.

I don't associate post count with experience or knowledge... Just saying here's a few posts to your count. Also if you want to come to Orange County I'm all for that. I don't go travel out to the slums to meet some bum from an online forum. Come to me if you want, Costa Mesa. Get at me when you're here so you can teach me. I'd love to be taught by someone who knows more so hopefully you do. I doubt you'll come though.. I don't compete in shows so if you do thata's great! Never said I was a competitor

[tripmachine]

Geez this thread... Gj deadlifting dog for still staying calm after all this lol...
Trip are u sure u need tren when u got so agitated by a few replies over the internet?

I don't think ANY of us NEED steroids.... silly question. Also I'm just replying and enjoying my time man! Got a problem with that?

[tripmachine]

Feel free to keep making this a chat room you guys.... the thread was meant for a reason but you guys are just making this a chat room lol (along with me replying back to your non helpful replies) I will reply back to you guys all day and night long if you want so keep chatting here on my thread! hahaha NEXT!

[tripmachine]

People hear the power of tren and automatically think it’s for them. Little do they know just how “powerful” it is.

Well you seem to know.... why don't you explain that to us mr. know it all?? I'll wait for your reply so I can learn from your knowledgeable self.... Please enlighten me. How powerful is it?? I can't wait to read this... Or are you just going to say that ^ without being able to elaborate?

[LiftingLevi]

Well you seem to know.... why don't you explain that to us mr. know it all?? I'll wait for your reply so I can learn from your knowledgeable self.... Please enlighten me. How powerful is it?? I can't wait to read this... Or are you just going to say that ^ without being able to elaborate?

You realize sides differ from individual to individual correct? King of all steroids and easy to no one? Tren is absolutely powerful even in small doses. Without trying out various doses over time, one doesn’t know how or when the side effects, if any, kick in. But when they do, they are nasty. Everyone knows this. Sesame Street could teach this. It’s simple and I would of assumed even you knew this.. whether you had used it or not. Sad you were going to use tren without knowing this.

[tripmachine]

tripmachine,

I was trying to offer helpful advice.

I will make it easier for you to understand with pictures this time....



The picture on the right is you one month ago while on cycle....

That level of development doesn't require 2.7 grams of gear a week.
If you want to disregard your health then feel free.
I am simply trying to help.

And if you think your physique is way more impressive then a powerlifter who is ten years older than you then congrats.

I do like how you went to one of my threads and got 1 of the pictures that was a little older and not the most recent to try and put me on blast or something with my pictures.... I'm definitely not ashamed or embarrassed of my pictures and how I look and I still think I look way better than you! Sorry I just think your 10 year older power lift body isn't what I'd ever want to look like. Maybe that's where we don't see eye to eye.... you see my stats and think.... 'he's no power lifter, he needs to eat and train to get up to 220 before he should get on gear so then he can start the right way and move his way on up to power lift size' remember we all don't have a goal to look like a power lifter or be a power lifter.

P.S. I added the most recent picture above for you because I'm sure that's what you meant to do right? Use my most recent uploaded picture or did you mean to get the older one? lol

[tripmachine]

You realize sides differ from individual to individual correct? King of all steroids and easy to no one? Tren is absolutely powerful even in small doses. Without trying out various doses over time, one doesn’t know how or when the side effects, if any, kick in. But when they do, they are nasty. Everyone knows this. Sesame Street could teach this. It’s simple and I would of assumed even you knew this.. whether you had used it or not. Sad you were going to use tren without knowing this.

I am well aware of the sides... So you saying I didn't know this is you being misinformed and believing something that isn't the truth. I have cycled tren, I have experienced sides... now do you want to turn this into a side effect conversation? Please advise and if you do I can reply with the sides I have encountered and at what dose I was running etc.. Your turn... I'll be here for another hour so i'll chill with this chat room thread open.

[tripmachine]

tripmachine,

I was trying to offer helpful advice.

I will make it easier for you to understand with pictures this time....


The picture on the right is you one month ago while on cycle....
***he meant to put my most recent picture i think... unless he selected the older one on purpose.


That level of development doesn't require 2.7 grams of gear a week.
If you want to disregard your health then feel free.
I am simply trying to help.

Just to make this clear.... I WAS NOT ON 2.7 grams of gear to obtain that physique..... WHO TOLD YOU THAT??? My plan was 2.7 grams in the future that hasn't even arrived yet. Why are you saying I took 2.7 grams to achieve that phyique??? That's not true and you like to make things up I see..

[Myers]

I don't think ANY of us NEED steroids.... silly question. Also I'm just replying and enjoying my time man! Got a problem with that?

Yeah i got a problem with that passive aggressive attitude of urs, and bunch of shit and nonsense u keep writing here, this thread needs to get locked or deleted.
I really dont see the point why are people still trying to explain anything to u.
U sound worse than 18 year olds that come to this board and still want to cycle even when warned not to.
Just buzz off to other board or.. Well keep insulting and writing crap here and get kicked out like cunt.

[JaneDoe]

i have HCG by the way... just didn't know when or where to put it)

Instead of telling me to add hcg.. why not help me out by making a suggestion on where you think the hcg should be added and how much? (do research you may say) I'm I'm asking for some help in altering my cycle if need be but I'm not asking for someone to tell me to do a test and var only cycle.

Greeting, bro !!!
In-cycle HCG is taken at a dose of 250 ui twice a week - from the beginning of the cycle until the end. It will keep your testicles full during the cycle (as it mimics the LH in your testicles, not allowing the hpta axis to be disabled).
Man, the more drugs you add to your more complex cycle, it will be !!! But consciously you will be able to handle it !!!. GearHead is not really responding.
He is a great anabolic steroid guru. He is absolutely missing!

[tripmachine]

Yeah i got a problem with that passive aggressive attitude of urs, and bunch of shit and nonsense u keep writing here, this thread needs to get locked or deleted.
I really dont see the point why are people still trying to explain anything to u.
U sound worse than 18 year olds that come to this board and still want to cycle even when warned not to.
Just buzz off to other board or.. Well keep insulting and writing crap here and get kicked out like cunt.

Exactly... pull chain bark bark huh... lol the ones replying with non-sense arguing with me are easy to get replies out of... it's funny. I agree with you, I need to practice not being so passive aggressive but still... that's YOUR problem as you state. You Buzz off dawg! You keep insulting as well cunt.

[tripmachine]

Greeting, bro !!!
In-cycle HCG is taken at a dose of 250 ui twice a week - from the beginning of the cycle until the end. It will keep your testicles full during the cycle (as it mimics the LH in your testicles, not allowing the hpta axis to be disabled).
Man, the more drugs you add to your more complex cycle, it will be !!! But consciously you will be able to handle it !!!. GearHead is not really responding.
He is a great anabolic steroid guru. He is absolutely missing!

Thanks for the helpful reply! I appreciate you helping. I will order some more hcg, I only have a few bottles. I used hcg in the past but not for all of my cycles... I'm pretty sure I shot that sub-q... Is that ok to do? I think I just recently read somewhere that IM is better?

[tripmachine]

Only one way to know for sure: lets see them quads, gentlemen!


OP, nice job with your transformation thus far. For this cycle, though, what are your goals? Sorry if I missed it in there. I know there is a trip to Hawaii in your future but what does that specifically mean to you? You wanna get ripped? Body recomp? Big as a house? That would get you better input.

Hey thanks for chiming in! I didn't really ever claim to have bigger quads than the power lifter... I just said I think I look better.. He probably thinks he looks better so that's good actually we are both happy with what we think! As for my quads go I just posted in the training //workout sub a week or so back with my left knee x-ray.. asking how or what I can do to work my legs out with my injury. I tore my ACL 20 years ago and never did anything about it. I went to the doctor 3 years ago and he said knee replacement in the future and cortisol shots in the mean time because I'm nearly bone on bone (no cartilage left). Some advised don't do squats.. So for my leg days I just do:

4x 20 - abductor in and superset with
4x 20 - abductor out
4x15 - leg extension
4x 15 - single leg curl (this one really hurts my left knee and I have to do really light weight
4x 20 - standing calve raise
4x 20 - seated calve raise.



Thanks for the nice words about my so far transformation... I appreciate that. My goals I would say from the options you read off would be a body recomp+ meaning I want to do better this go at it than I did last cycle.. I'm not saying I slacked off last cycle i'm just saying I want to make a conscious effort to do better because. So recomp I would say is my goal... Hawaii is just a dumb motivating excuse to keep it going, gotta find all those micro motivators and I won't get fat again. We go there every year for my wife's work for a week so I figured what a great place to look and feel good at. I'll keep you guys posted, who knows maybe I'll die soon now that Dead lift dawg scared me about 2.7 grams... i actually didn't think it through until he pointed that out. I might just do my old cycle tren /mast //test 350/700/350mg ew + gw506516 + proviron

[JaneDoe]

Thanks for the helpful reply! I appreciate you helping. I will order some more hcg, I only have a few bottles. I used hcg in the past but not for all of my cycles... I'm pretty sure I shot that sub-q... Is that ok to do? I think I just recently read somewhere that IM is better?

Yes you can !!! In intramuscular administration of chorionic gonadotropin (HCG), action is achieved after about 2 to 6 hours, depending on the dose administered.

[BG]

OK everyone take a step back.

If someone has used gear in the past and wants to use again then it is what it is. Help with what HE WANTS to do and not what you think he should do. We have all been there and we ultimately do what we want to. Hes been talking with your guys hero and this is what he suggested so of course thats what he thinks is right and what he should do. If you guys dont rely on yourselves to figure things out your constantly going to be guessing, thats all GearHeaded is doing, experimenting on you guys to learn and figure things out himself.

So relax and be constructive and understand where the other person is coming from.

[IronLiver]

OK everyone take a step back.

If someone has used gear in the past and wants to use again then it is what it is. Help with what HE WANTS to do and not what you think he should do. We have all been there and we ultimately do what we want to. Hes been talking with your guys hero and this is what he suggested so of course thats what he thinks is right and what he should do. If you guys dont rely on yourselves to figure things out your constantly going to be guessing, thats all GearHeaded is doing, experimenting on you guys to learn and figure things out himself.

So relax and be constructive and understand where the other person is coming from.

Most people can't seem to think for themselves these days. They need a coach to tell them what to take and how often, when to train, how to eat, etc. Although this cycle looks a little crazy, I have a lot of respect for people like tripmachine that do a ton of research and do what they want. Nobody knows your body better than you, so who cares what other people tell you to do.

[tripmachine]

OK everyone take a step back.

If someone has used gear in the past and wants to use again then it is what it is. Help with what HE WANTS to do and not what you think he should do. We have all been there and we ultimately do what we want to. Hes been talking with your guys hero and this is what he suggested so of course thats what he thinks is right and what he should do. If you guys dont rely on yourselves to figure things out your constantly going to be guessing, thats all GearHeaded is doing, experimenting on you guys to learn and figure things out himself.

So relax and be constructive and understand where the other person is coming from.

Hey BG thank you for chiming in I really appreciate you seeing it the way you see it. That's exactly the case. I used to experiement methyltren with T-Mos (Rest in peace brother I miss you man!) We were PM'ing our protocols back and forth the month he died back in 2009. We were both using the same methyl tren from Dark Star Labs and really that's just what we were doing. We were testing, we were experimenting with our own bodies and that was our decision to make. Some people can call others reckless who experiment on their own bodies which is fine... but it doesn't mean the person being 'reckless' has to listen to someone telling them not to be reckless and do it their way or the highway otherwise they won't help out. I appreciate you coming to reply to my thread.