3rd cycle help

[Jdsanderson1]

Hey guys I love your advice on shit so I'm gonna run my 3rd cycle by you see what you think.
41 Male, 20%bf, 235lbs looking to lean bulk.

Week 1 - 15 test e 500mg a week
Week 1 - 10 deca 600mg a week
Week 1 - 6 tbol 60 mg ed
Week 9 - 15 liquid winny 50mg eod
Week 1 - 17 ameridex .5 mg eod
Week 18 - 19 pct with clomid 75/50/50/50 and nolva 40/20/20/20

What do you guys think. Should I throw in some hcg? Up my ameridex dosage? Thanks

[Wannabhuge14]

Hey guys I love your advice on shit so I'm gonna run my 3rd cycle by you see what you think.
41 Male, 20%bf, 235lbs looking to lean bulk.

Week 1 - 15 test e 500mg a week
Week 1 - 10 deca 600mg a week
Week 1 - 6 tbol 60 mg ed
Week 9 - 15 liquid winny 50mg eod
Week 1 - 17 ameridex .5 mg eod
Week 18 - 19 pct with clomid 75/50/50/50 and nolva 40/20/20/20

What do you guys think. Should I throw in some hcg? Up my ameridex dosage? Thanks

Everyone here is going to tell you to throw the arimidex in the garbage, run masteron if you are worried about estrogen and prolactin sides. I’d definitely run the deca at least 2 more weeks. I can’t really comment on the other compounds...

[Kyle1337]

Good luck with PCT on Deca, that stuffs is tough to recover from. I wouldn't recommend. Yea, you can probably keep the AI as on hand, look into running some Nolvadex possibly. Probably won't need much.

Drop Deca, if you want to lean bulk there is better ways - EQ, more test, etc... or you can just use tren.

[Quester]

HCG 250iu-500iu, 2xweek during cycle.
Why not go with NPP instead of deca? I like nandrolone because of its mild sides and would use it for a "lean bulk."

[Kyle1337]

HCG 250iu-500iu, 2xweek during cycle.
Why not go with NPP instead of deca? I like nandrolone because of its mild sides and would use it for a "lean bulk."

NPP and deca are 100% the same except for the release time of the ester, though.

[Jdsanderson1]

K guys thanks for the help. As always you guys helped fine tuned my stack, after some more research I think I'll go with this

Week 1 - 15 hcg 250ui a week
Week 1 - 15 test e 800mg a week
Week 1 - 10 eq 600mg a week
Week 1 - 6 tbol 60 mg ed
Week 9 - 15 liquid winny 50mg eod
Week 1 - 17 ameridex .5 mg eod
Week 18 - 19 pct with clomid 75/50/50/50 and nolva 40/20/20/20

I'll take 600mg of n-acetyl cysteine a day for liver support. Also might change the tbol to anavar not 100% yet. Thanks again

[Quester]

NPP and deca are 100% the same except for the release time of the ester, though.

Right but, that being the case, NPP is easier to plan around.

[Quester]

K guys thanks for the help. As always you guys helped fine tuned my stack, after some more research I think I'll go with this

Week 1 - 15 hcg 250ui a week
Week 1 - 15 test e 800mg a week
Week 1 - 10 eq 600mg a week
Week 1 - 6 tbol 60 mg ed
Week 9 - 15 liquid winny 50mg eod
Week 1 - 17 ameridex .5 mg eod
Week 18 - 19 pct with clomid 75/50/50/50 and nolva 40/20/20/20

I'll take 600mg of n-acetyl cysteine a day for liver support. Also might change the tbol to anavar not 100% yet. Thanks again

Brother, the HCG is 250iu or 500iu shots at two shots a week. I switch to 250iu (2xper week) when I was running low two months ago and noticed my balls had shrunk a very small amount so now I'm doing the 250 without much worry till I get my supply fixed. I'll probably increase to 350ish.
If you ever get worried about your LFTs (liver function tests) start injecting glutathione and eating the whole range of antioxidants.

[Windex]

K guys thanks for the help. As always you guys helped fine tuned my stack, after some more research I think I'll go with this

Week 1 - 15 hcg 250ui a week
Week 1 - 15 test e 800mg a week
Week 1 - 10 eq 600mg a week
Week 1 - 6 tbol 60 mg ed
Week 9 - 15 liquid winny 50mg eod
Week 1 - 17 ameridex .5 mg eod
Week 18 - 19 pct with clomid 75/50/50/50 and nolva 40/20/20/20

I'll take 600mg of n-acetyl cysteine a day for liver support. Also might change the tbol to anavar not 100% yet. Thanks again

Doesn't make sense to use that much AI with Testosterone. It's like buying a ferrari and capping the speed at 50.

Your stats are out of context by not including your height. Regardless, I don't understand the idea of bulking at 20% body fat. You can build muscle in a caloric deficit and avoid getting more fat.

600mg NAC is not liver support

At 41 years old you should be running FULL bloodwork prior to tour cycle to determine HRT vs PCT. If you aren't ready to marry the needle then you shouldn't be going anywhere near Deca at your age.

[GearHeaded]

as has already been pointed out ,, .5 mg Arimidex from day one of your cycle when your only running 500mg of test (deca and Tbol don't really aromatize) is overkill . 3 weeks into your cycle your going to feel like shit from it. drop the AI and just keep it on hand (better yet throw it in the trash and pick up some Nolva and Mast to have on hand).

also, unless your in contest prep (which your not) I would not be running Winny for that long especially after dropping the deca . your cortisol is going to be crushed and your joints are going to get super inflamed . keep the deca in with the winny (to help joints and inflammation) and limit the Winny to about 4-5 weeks

[Jdsanderson1]

Ok I'll drop the ameridex. Maybe take nolva or mast. How much should I take if I do?

I was thinking of dropping g the winny and finishing my cycle with anavar. I did that on my last cycle and it worked out great. But I dont know if I should run orals for that long.

[GearHeaded]

Ok I'll drop the ameridex. Maybe take nolva or mast. How much should I take if I do?

I was thinking of dropping g the winny and finishing my cycle with anavar. I did that on my last cycle and it worked out great. But I dont know if I should run orals for that long.

well it depends on if you really even need estrogen management at all with only 500mg of test.. I can run 2000mg of test per week with Dbol and not need to run an AI or Nolva or a anything at all . your going to want some estrogen elevation on cycle (estrogen is anabolic, it increases HGH and IGF levels, it increases Nitric oxide and vascularity as well as pumps, it promotes healthy cholesterol, it helps with glucose metabolism and glycogen retention, etc.).. this is why I don't advise AI's . at least mast and Nolva will allow your blood serum levels of E2 to elevate in correlation to your test levels elevating (a good thing)

but anyhow if you ran nolva and mast I'd start the Nolva at 10mg per day and Mast at least 350mg per week


as for Orals . I think your fine running Tbol and Var for most of your cycle (take a 3 week break half way through) . neither of those are extremely hepatoxic anyhow

[Jdsanderson1]

How does this look. Should I run mast the whole cycle or start it later on during cycle?. Which alot of guys seem to do?

Week 1 - 15 hcg 250ui a week
Week 1 - 15 test e 800mg a week
Week 1 - 15 mast e 400mg a week
Week 1 - 10 eq 600mg a week
Week 1 - 6 tbol 60 mg ed
Week 9 - 15 anavar 60 mg ed
Week 1 - 17 nolva 10mg ed
Week 18 - 19 pct with clomid 75/50/50/50 and nolva 40/20/20/20

Also can I pin the test, eq and mast all together in one pin?Also could I just drop the mast and up my nolva?

[Jdsanderson1]

How does this look. Should I run mast the whole cycle or start it later on during cycle?. Which alot of guys seem to do?

Week 1 - 15 hcg 250ui a week
Week 1 - 15 test e 800mg a week
Week 1 - 15 mast e 400mg a week
Week 1 - 10 eq 600mg a week
Week 1 - 6 tbol 60 mg ed
Week 9 - 15 anavar 60 mg ed
Week 1 - 17 nolva 10mg ed
Week 18 - 19 pct with clomid 75/50/50/50 and nolva 40/20/20/20

Also can I pin the test, eq and mast all together in one pin? Also could I just drop the mast and up my nolva?

[balance]

Would like to know OP definition of lean bulk? When I hear lean bulk (besides chuckling) I think add muscle while keeping current body fat % or maybe even adding 1-2% bf. OP are you comfortable being 20% bf or even more? If not you might want to reconsider your goal/cycle?


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[Jdsanderson1]

Ya I guess I dont know what a lean bulk even is. Lol. Seen someone else say it. My last cycle (test e , tbol anavar)I gained about 5 lbs of muscle and lost 5% bf. That's what I wanna do again but trying for 10lbs of muscle and lose 5% bf again. I'm currently 6'4", 235lbs and 20%bf. Started training again at 270lbs 35% bf about 1.5 years ago. And I owe this site for all the useful info which has helped me out big time. Can I donate to the site?

[SampsonandDelilah]

Ya I guess I dont know what a lean bulk even is. Lol. Seen someone else say it. My last cycle (test e , tbol anavar)I gained about 5 lbs of muscle and lost 5% bf. That's what I wanna do again but trying for 10lbs of muscle and lose 5% bf again. I'm currently 6'4", 235lbs and 20%bf. Started training again at 270lbs 35% bf about 1.5 years ago. And I owe this site for all the useful info which has helped me out big time. Can I donate to the site?

You sure can!! I’m the unofficial “donations collector”. PM me for my Venmo

[Jdsanderson1]

well it depends on if you really even need estrogen management at all with only 500mg of test.. I can run 2000mg of test per week with Dbol and not need to run an AI or Nolva or a anything at all . your going to want some estrogen elevation on cycle (estrogen is anabolic, it increases HGH and IGF levels, it increases Nitric oxide and vascularity as well as pumps, it promotes healthy cholesterol, it helps with glucose metabolism and glycogen retention, etc.).. this is why I don't advise AI's . at least mast and Nolva will allow your blood serum levels of E2 to elevate in correlation to your test levels elevating (a good thing)

but anyhow if you ran nolva and mast I'd start the Nolva at 10mg per day and Mast at least 350mg per week


as for Orals . I think your fine running Tbol and Var for most of your cycle (take a 3 week break half way through) . neither of those are extremely hepatoxic anyhow

How does this look. Should I run mast the whole cycle or start it later on during cycle?. Which alot of guys seem to do?

Week 1 - 15 hcg 250ui a week
Week 1 - 15 test e 800mg a week
Week 1 - 15 mast e 400mg a week
Week 1 - 10 eq 600mg a week
Week 1 - 6 tbol 60 mg ed
Week 9 - 15 anavar 60 mg ed
Week 1 - 17 nolva 10mg ed
Week 18 - 19 pct with clomid 75/50/50/50 and nolva 40/20/20/20

Also can I pin the test, eq and mast all together in one pin? Also could I just drop the mast and up my nolva?

[GearHeaded]

that looks pretty good.

I would run Mast the whole time. you don't want to drop the Mast and just up the Nolva ,, keep in mind Nolva is a non anabolic SERM that does nothing for muscle building , where as Mast is a strong anabolic androgen thats going to help you put on more muscle, plus all its extra androgen benefits and anti estrogen and anti prolactin benefits . it works like an ancillary but has the bonus of being as anabolic as test