Ipamorelin and CJC

[SampsonandDelilah]

Looking for anyone having any experience with this peptide. My doc just started me on it in hopes of increasing slow wave sleep as well as the other the other supposed benefits it provides.

Forgot to mention he also prescribed DSIP (delta sleep inducing peptide). Anyone have any experience with either of the two?
Just looking for anecdotal experiences...

Thanks

[Quester]

I have not used the DSIP.
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I take CJC/Ipam most nights of the week.
-You'll need a glucose monitor in order to insure that you only inject when your glucose is low, otherwise it will not work.
-If you inject in a muscle it comes on in about fifteen to twenty minutes and lasts about twenty minutes before it converst to IGF-1, then you get a little hungry.
-I have always had trouble sleeping. I take it about 2-3 hours into my sleep because it often results in me sleeping for 4 hours and wanting to get out of bed fully refreshed. (I don't think other people experience this, I have ADD and react poorly to every stimulant. I figure I should have 7-8hrs so I set the alarm and get up and do it. One advantage, my blood sugar will have fallen a little.
-IPAM/CJC WILL RAISE YOUR READINGS. If you take your blood sugar at regular intervals throughout a week and compare it to another week when you are taking the CJC/IPAM, all else equal, you'll see that your blood sugar is higher.
-Things to lower Blood sugar,
-eat complex carbs
-use insulin around your workout but watch out because serum insulin will blunt the CJC/IPAM
-Take to TBS of apple cider vinegar with meals, keeps down blood sugar
-eat fiber with meals, keeps down blood sugar
-fat blunts blood sugar spikes but mixing fat and insulin compromises the walls of your capillaries worse than hyperlipdemia (in fact, it is the same process but the insulin just adds to the potency of the effect).
-Protein very mildly blunts blood sugar spikes.

[Quester]

Let me know how you like the DSIP. I might want to try that, especially if I can get it pharmaceutically.

[SampsonandDelilah]

I have not used the DSIP.
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I take CJC/Ipam most nights of the week.
-You'll need a glucose monitor in order to insure that you only inject when your glucose is low, otherwise it will not work.
-If you inject in a muscle it comes on in about fifteen to twenty minutes and lasts about twenty minutes before it converst to IGF-1, then you get a little hungry.
-I have always had trouble sleeping. I take it about 2-3 hours into my sleep because it often results in me sleeping for 4 hours and wanting to get out of bed fully refreshed. (I don't think other people experience this, I have ADD and react poorly to every stimulant. I figure I should have 7-8hrs so I set the alarm and get up and do it. One advantage, my blood sugar will have fallen a little.
-IPAM/CJC WILL RAISE YOUR READINGS. If you take your blood sugar at regular intervals throughout a week and compare it to another week when you are taking the CJC/IPAM, all else equal, you'll see that your blood sugar is higher.
-Things to lower Blood sugar,
-eat complex carbs
-use insulin around your workout but watch out because serum insulin will blunt the CJC/IPAM
-Take to TBS of apple cider vinegar with meals, keeps down blood sugar
-eat fiber with meals, keeps down blood sugar
-fat blunts blood sugar spikes but mixing fat and insulin compromises the walls of your capillaries worse than hyperlipdemia (in fact, it is the same process but the insulin just adds to the potency of the effect).
-Protein very mildly blunts blood sugar spikes.

Thank you Quester, extremely helpful!

Was thinking of taking the first injection in the morning before my first meal, I usually run hypo, so blood sugar levels shouldn’t be an issue. If I move to BID injections I’ll definitely get a glucose monitor for timing...thinking probably post workout before I eat?).

I’ll definitely report on the DSIP. It should be here at the end of the week. Got it scripted out of a specialty pharmacy in KY. I’ve been on sleeping pills for so long, I’m excited to be done with them. Part of the reason my doc wrote it is my liver enzymes have been elevated and he thinks it’s due to a pill called Trazadone which is known to cause hepatic toxicity, hoping this brings my levels down (sucks because so much of the gear can elevate them too). Really excited to try both. The DSIP has some really fascinating research around it and can be dosed whenever (time it with the IMP/CJC). I’ll shoot you a PM when I can get a fair baseline assessment. Thanks again on the report. Was on GHRP 2 and 6 and did notice some help with deeper sleep above and beyond what the sleeping pill provided.

Cheers bro, thanks for sharing

[Quester]

The GHRP-6 or 2 (I took both but can't remember which one though) raised my cortisol and made me really hungry.
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I'm guessing that if it (CJC/IPAM and perhaps straight HGH as well) is taken during fasted cardio after wake up it probably has a greater effect on adipose tissue (maybe while fat ...like belly fat, the kind that is bad, between organs and hard to shed, unlike brown fat) versus taking it before bed which coinciding with sleep cycle, is more synergystic with healing...perhaps. and, versus around a workout, which might make muscle cells more receptive and the GH pulse greater.
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I don't take it around a workout because peri-workout calories and nutrition help keep the cortisol down and better recovery. I used to take it around a workout. My best guess was to use it with low blood sugar, Immediately before starting a 1-hr workout by injecting intramuscular. I figured this would protect the GH pulse effects and the IGF-1 from the effects of food that I wanted to eat immediately after my workout (this was when i had GHRP 2 and/or 6 which made me super hungry plus the recovery/cortisol benefit of eating).
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I have taken Trazadone. I have 10 pills (50mg) of 180 I was perscibed three years ago. I like them because I only have to take 25mg (1/2 a pill) and i get the sleep inducing benefits. The receptors it hits are like a staircase. There are three, the orexin (a sleep receptor) is saturated with 25mg, the next amount is like 50 or 75mg (I can't remember it's function-maybe serotonin), and the last receptor (sedation-maybe it is gaba) to be saturated occurs around 400-600m. At 400-600 it is used for PTSD and has to be taken three times in the evening. It is precautioned to avoid alcohol becuase of the liver toxicity. I suppose gear would of course be another contraindication.
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You can take melatonin at .75 mg (Hard to find, go for the 1 gram) to fully get the effects of melatonin. It helps a little with sleep but also acts as an antioxidant.
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If the anti-anx aspects of the Trazadone was helping you may want to switch to Buspar. It is a similar formulation, atypical anti-anxiolitic. It acts much the same way by acting on the 5HT1A receptor which doesn't cause the sex dysfunction that SSRIs do. It's hepatoxicity is lower than Trazadone and Nefazadone (the other Serotonin drug in the same class) but maybe not by much.
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I actually started doing the post-workout insulin shot because it has anti-cortisol activity.

[Windex]

https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/pod...jean-francois/

I don't remember which part they talk about the peptides you're asking about but overall I think it's a good listen. I believe at one segment he also discusses the misconceptions around DSIP (people assume to take it at night before bed for example).

[SampsonandDelilah]

https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/pod...jean-francois/

I don't remember which part they talk about the peptides you're asking about but overall I think it's a good listen. I believe at one segment he also discusses the misconceptions around DSIP (people assume to take it at night before bed for example).

Thanks Windex

[GearHeaded]

its important to know wither your taking CJC-dac , or CJC no dac

[SampsonandDelilah]

its important to know wither your taking CJC-dac , or CJC no dac

No dac (scripted) and added BPC 157