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    Question T4 usage

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    I'm using 200 sust with 300 eq a week as a bridge between two cycles. It's my second week in the bridge and I plan it to be 8-9 weeks long.
    I started to take 40mcg clen a week ago, and wanna start 20iu slin and 50mcg t4.
    I know how to use slin, but I've never used t4.

    How should I take it, if I consume milk in my first meal?

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    T4 must be taken on an empty stomach.
    50 mcg of T4 will do nothing of you IMO.
    A replacement dose of T4 is around 1 mcg per lb of bodyweight.
    Taking 50mcg of T4 is like like taking 50mg of test C per week. It won't add to your natural level. It will simply replace some of your natural production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    T4 must be taken on an empty stomach.
    50 mcg of T4 will do nothing of you IMO.
    A replacement dose of T4 is around 1 mcg per lb of bodyweight.
    Taking 50mcg of T4 is like like taking 50mg of test C per week. It won't add to your natural level. It will simply replace some of your natural production.
    Good info.

    I do want to know tho, who the hell that body builds ever has an empty stomach? Lol.

    I always take it with food because I am always full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    Good info.

    I do want to know tho, who the hell that body builds ever has an empty stomach? Lol.

    I always take it with food because I am always full.
    take it when you wake up in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    T4 must be taken on an empty stomach.
    50 mcg of T4 will do nothing of you IMO.
    A replacement dose of T4 is around 1 mcg per lb of bodyweight.
    Taking 50mcg of T4 is like like taking 50mg of test C per week. It won't add to your natural level. It will simply replace some of your natural production.
    Great analogy - I never knew there was an actual conversion. Does that still remain valid if someone is taking T3 in addition to T4?

    Example : Is 50mcg T3 + 75mcg T4 sufficient for say a 200 lb person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Great analogy - I never knew there was an actual conversion. Does that still remain valid if someone is taking T3 in addition to T4?

    Example : Is 50mcg T3 + 75mcg T4 sufficient for say a 200 lb person?
    many people quote 1 4:1 T4 to T3 conversion
    https://www.rxlist.com/cytomel-drug.htm#description

    so 50 T3 + 75 T4 would be 200 T4 +75 T4 or 275 T4.
    or the other way 50 T3 + 75 T4 would be 50 T3 + 75/4 T3 or 68.75 T3

    The largest pills made (I believe) are 50mcg T3 and 200 mcg T4.
    That is the usual max limit prescribed. (either 50 T3 by itself or 200 T4 by itself..)

    I have Hashimoto's disease and am prescribed 125 T4 plus 10 T3 so about 165 T4 total....

    It sometimes get thrown around that the average person produces 25 T3.... I would argue that it it a bit higher say 25-50 .... Depends on weight, age, health, etc....


    Side note... The body DIRECTLY produces very little T3... most of the T3 in the body comes from T4 getting converted into T3

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    T4 must be taken on an empty stomach.
    50 mcg of T4 will do nothing of you IMO.
    A replacement dose of T4 is around 1 mcg per lb of bodyweight.
    Taking 50mcg of T4 is like like taking 50mg of test C per week. It won't add to your natural level. It will simply replace some of your natural production.
    I'm not using it to lose fat, but to resensitize androgen receptors etc. Isn't it enough for that purpose? What about 100mcg?
    I'm around 240 lbs tho.
    Thanks for your help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huher View Post
    I'm not using it to lose fat, but to resensitize androgen receptors etc. Isn't it enough for that purpose? What about 100mcg?
    I'm around 240 lbs tho.
    Thanks for your help
    I don't know how it resensitizes androgren receptors. Not even sure I believe that androgen receptors need to be resensitized. But if T4 does resensitize AR receptors then...
    I don't see how consumed T4 would resensitize AR receptors better than the T4 your body produces.
    If it does resensitize AR receptors then you would want to take more T4 than your body naturally produces otherwise you are just spinning your wheels.

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    Regardless of the debate above, I take T4 and Clen together on an empty stomach when I wake up. As I understand, itís the most effective way.
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    I take clen with a meal, I read that it should be taken with food.

    I can't take t4 first thing in the morning, and also I consume milk in my first meal and calcium significantly decreases the absorption kof t4. I train from 8 to 10, have a meal of 150g rice and 350g chicken from 11 to 11:40. Is it okay to take the t4 around 14:40 (3 hours after last meal) and have the next meal (chicken with rice) around 15:10?

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    it's recommended to not eat for 30-60 minutes after taking T4.
    I am sure that 3 hours after a meal is fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    it's recommended to not eat for 30-60 minutes after taking T4.
    I am sure that 3 hours after a meal is fine
    Is this the same lead time for T3 as well? I also recall Ephedrine and T3 do not mix? Does that extend to Ephedrine and T4 as well?
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    My prescription T3 says nothing about eating on an empty stomach.

    I have no idea about Ephedrine and T4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    it's recommended to not eat for 30-60 minutes after taking T4.
    I am sure that 3 hours after a meal is fine
    Thanks. And would it be a problem if I took t4 around that time (14.30-40) on weekdays but around 12.30 on weekends because of my training schedule? Is it okay to take it 30 mins before the workout ends, cus I have a shake at the end of the workout?

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    2 hours difference on the weekends is no problem.

    I see no reason why taking it 30 minutes before your workout ends would be a problem.

    I take it first thing in the morning. Do you eat immediately after waking? I sip coffee and go to the bathroom.
    Seems the easiest to do upon waking. gets to be a habit.
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    I workout in the morning and I like to have 2 meals before training so I wake up around 5 am have a protein shake and immediately eat. I can't wake up more than half an hour earlier to take the t4.

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    I'm assuming that during your bridge your taking the Clen and the T4 together (with hgh and insulin ) for their synergy together and anabolic effects , and not for any cutting or fat loss. all you need for this is 40mcg of Clen and 75-100mcg of T4. I would take the T4 on an empty stomach.

    if your bulking and you never have an empty stomach and you eat first thing upon waking.. then set your T4 pill and a glass of water by your bed. set an alarm clock to go off an hour before you need to wake up. take the pill when the alarm goes off and then go back to sleep

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    Yes I'm not taking them for cutting, just to maintain or even put on some muscle while resting. I also want to resensitize receptors, cus I've been on around 1g test and more than 2g gear total for 17 weeks. Next cycle's gonna be 1g test e for 15 weeks with 750mg-1g deca for 10-12 weeks and some dbol and ghrp-6 with slin, hoping that I'll get between 250-260lbs then do a little 6-week cut for summer.

    I'm taking 40mcg clen , and 50mcg t4, planning to up the t4 to 100mcg after a week, and run them for 5-6 weeks.

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