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So long story short high dosages before never touched me low dosage this time caused slight lactation in the left. (Maybe a drop after squeezing for a bit). This happened only after 3 injections
I have caber on hand surprised this happened.
Should it be ran as
1mg Day 1, 1mg Day 4 then 0.5mg 2x a week moving forward.
Never needed it before so I haven't used it.
Where’s OBS? He’s the resident expert on this subject. He uses his Tren milk to nurse baby forest creaturesQuote:
Originally Posted by wizzy
You need bloodwork to determine if the root cause was from estrogen or prolactin or something else. Caber is going to do nothing if the lactation was onset from estrogen. Just because your running Tren doesn't automatically mean it's a prolactin-induced problem.
Ahh, self milking - sure is an acquired taste
Seriously, I had that shit sprout over nite when I was on tren E & decided to eat a 50mg dBol
I'm no expert on nipples . but I don't think estrogen alone can cause lactation. you could have 30x normal E2 levels and lactation will not occur. in order for lactation to happen you have to have these 3 hormones elevated, Progesterone, Prolactin, and Oxytocin (you don't even need estrogen per se).Quote:
Originally Posted by Windex
so OP, if your lactating then yes their is something progestinic in nature going on with you right now. which is not a surprise being Tren itself is a progestin and will act directly on Progestin receptors as progesterone .
if you already have the Caber, then yes I'd give that a go . but anytime you run Tren your going to want to run Masteron with it (MASTeron .. "mast" means "breast"). Mast is going to blunt progestinic effects from the Tren, and likely keep both gyno (which is estrogenic) and lactation (which is progestinic) at bay.
also, keep in mind that with progestin activity going on your going to also be overly sensitized to estrogen (even if your e levels are low or normal)
High estrogen can inhibit lactation, not induce it. That's why post pregnancy mothers have low estrogen levels in order to provide milk. [Yes I understand the OP is neither a woman or mother]Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
We don't know the context of OP's cycle since it wasn't provided. So if he's on TRT + high Tren then the issue could potentially be fixed by adjusting the T/T ratios. Up the test, lower the Tren. Mast and Tamoxifen to control gyno via estrogen.
I'd rather use Mast + Tamoxifen than Caber.
Bloodwork is always good to have in any circumstance.
That's how I based my response.
I think we are saying the same thing about estrogen in regards to lactation. high estrogen is NOT ever the cause. its the 3 other hormones I mentioned that are the cause. however I don't think in men that raising estrogen will inhibit lactation (I understand estrogen dropping off in birthing mothers and the placenta stimulating progesterone will induce lactation in post birth mothers .. but in AAS using men I've seen guys with low estrogen and guys with super high estrogen have lactation issues .. again, I think estrogen is irrelevant in this context)
agree , mast + Tamoxifen is the best combo . caber is a last resort. I rarely recommend caber or prami,, both crappy toxic compounds.
I'm just assuming that being lactation is occurring, progestin issues are occurring no matter what (can't have lactation without progestin receptors being activated).. so if blood work showed high E2 or low E2 , it would be irrelevant . even if blood work showed high prolactin. still kind of irrelevant at this point..
its like eating bad chinese food off a street vendor and then ending up puking for 3 days straight and deciding to go get blood work to see if you have food poisoning. the blood work doesn't mean anything . it doesn't tell you anymore then you already know because the physical manifestations are already occurring.
the lactation itself tells you there is a progestin issue/problem. all blood work will do is confirm what you already know.
of course, nothing wrong with getting blood work as a sort of 'second witness' to confirm things . but I just think he's already way past that point.
same thing with guys that blast 2000mg of test and a bunch of Dbol and get super swollen nipples and the onset of gyno and go get blood work to see if E2 levels are elevated . ummm, well duh. what the heck you need the blood work for to tell you what you can already see with your own eyes.
if your lactating, you have a progestin issue. which again is no surprise being your taking a progestinic coumpound like Tren