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Hello Davi here, greeting you all.
My topic today is to ask you, what do some beginner bodybuilding guys have in mind for wanting to use oxandrolone no exogenous testosterone together?These guys must be a lot of idiots, or I don't know what they are !!!Oxandrolone in performance doses alone can reduce our serum testosterone levels to 50%.They must be very afraid of the needle.
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davi
Not bro, I've already explained this in some facebook groups a million times.And they keep asking the same questions, and the same choicesQuote:
Ou simplesmente desinformado. Parece que alguns dos grandes fizeram oral apenas ciclos anos atrás. Parece que a internet existe há uma eternidade
I often times recommend Var on a first cycle , rather then a 'test only' cycle.. but its best to run it with at least 200mg of test per week.
350mg var per week with 200mg of test, is about 6x more anabolic then simply 500mg of a test only cycle , and its 'cleaner'..
however, I'm not opposed to guys running Var only cycles. its not ideal . but it can still be done.. you just need to limit your Var use to about 4-5 weeks max, then come off for at least 6 or more weeks, then back on, repeat.. natty test production will decrease but it will still be going and not fully suppressed.
very similar situation if you were to run a SARMs only cycle
Can Anavar Alone Do Something Being Used Alone in Men?Quote:
GearHeaded Costumo recomendar Var em um primeiro ciclo, em vez de um ciclo apenas de teste. Mas é melhor executá-lo com pelo menos 200 mg de teste por semana.
350mg var por semana com 200mg de teste, é cerca de 6x mais anabolizante do que simplesmente 500mg de um ciclo apenas de teste e seu 'limpador' ..
no entanto, não sou contra os caras que executam ciclos apenas de Var. não é o ideal. mas ainda pode ser feito .. você só precisa limitar seu uso do Var para cerca de 4-5 semanas no máximo, depois desligar por pelo menos 6 ou mais semanas e, em seguida, repetir .. a produção de testes natty diminuirá, mas diminuirá ainda está indo e não totalmente suprimido.
situação muito semelhante se você executasse um ciclo apenas de SARMs
I always thought only women are sensitive to the anabolic gains of this hormone.When you use oxandrolone alone..I don't think even a man should benefit from anabolic gains by implementing anavar it alone in a cycle.
I think only the resistance is a bit improved nothing more
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GearHeaded I often times recommend Var on a first cycle , rather then a 'test only' cycle.. but its best to run it with at least 200mg of test per week.
350mg var per week with 200mg of test, is about 6x more anabolic then simply 500mg of a test only cycle
Do your clients take 70 mg of Anavar daily? 200 mg testo per week?
You also indicate the method: for a longer period in some cases when using Anavar?
I really enjoyed your comment on how to reduce dianabol doses throughout the cycle in another topic. It is excellent !
back to the subject :
One more question { GearHeaded}
Anavar rating is 322-630, while testosterone, a powerful anabolic hormone, has a rating of 100? Does that mean Anavar is not as weak a steroid as most people think?
well I'll put it this way .. if I could only choose one hormone to take for the rest of my life just for pure bodybuilding purposes (not TRT purposes) and I had to pick from either 200mg of test per week or 50mg of Anavar only per day . I'd go with the Var.Quote:
Originally Posted by davimeireles
yes you can make very good quality gains with Var , ran for a long enough duration (its a pure 'anabolic', so it does not have much cosmetic effects, it simply helps build pure muscle tissue .. where as test is an 'androgen' and has more temporary cosmetic effects)..
now my ideal advice would be to run Test and Var together . but by itself, Var at 50mg per day is pretty potent muscle builder ( = to over 1000mg of test, minus the estrogen and water retention)
Var without test is still going to build muscle,, but hpta shutdown will eventually occur and being hypogonadal will slow down gains (mainly cause your estrogen will drop to zero). so a test base is definitely recommended, but not required (if you cycle on and off for short durations over a long period of time)
some guys don't think Var is very potent. this is likely cause they are getting fake Var, or they are not running it long enough at a high enough dosage.
I generally recommend 50mg, sometimes only 25mg depending on how the cycle is set up.. but 50mg of real Var is fairly potent anabolic. its going to add a lot of anabolic load to your cycle without adding any additional estrogen or androgen load.Quote:
Originally Posted by davimeireles
yes mg per mg , Var is much more anabolic then Test (3-6x more).. but they are different and work through different pathways.
Var is a pure anabolic and mainly works through up regulating protein synthesis and CP uptake. Test is an androgen, and as such works through other various factors like glucose metabolism, water retention, estrogenic factors (increase in IGF) etc..
but as far as just pure muscle tissue building goes . Var is much more potent .. if your using Var as your main compound , being it is a pure anabolic, and building new tissue takes time, you need to run it for a long enough duration
I am thank you for clarifying my doubts thank you very much.
And I apologize for the wrong math.
50 mg a day will give 350 mg a week, I'm sorry.
And another thing, from now on I have a new thinking about oral steroids - I believed the use of these oral compounds should be limited to 4 to 8 weeks written in granites by many of steroid gurus ...
One more thing, how long does it take for liver enzymes to return to normal after oral use is completed over the course of a 12-week cycle?
Pretty sure the stuff i'm using is either not potent or fake. This is my first time using anavar and did 30mg for the first week then went up to 50mg the next week and noticed my strength decline and I felt tired. I decided to start taking stanozolol at 30mg and my strength improved and I have way more energy. I've heard that finding good anavar can be pretty tricky and stanozolol is way less expensive so I might as well stick with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
Var is probably my third favourite behind Tren and Winny. Like Pumps are almost too much, my lowerback gets pumped too easy but the vascularity you get at even 14% BF is insane. I like it at 50-60mg daily haven't tried any higher.
yes, if your questioning your source for Var , its much safer to just go with Winstrol instead . the difference with the Winstrol though is you won't be able to run it as long as you can run Var because the Winstrol will suppress your cortisol levels and after 5 or so weeks you'll start getting inflamed and achy everywhere and joints will get sore (you could run Winny with Deca though and that may extend the amount of time you can run the Winny).Quote:
Originally Posted by IronLiver
So what you’re saying is that you should take 1000mg of test, and 50mg of Var, and it’s kind of like taking 2000mg of test, except better.Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
*Noted*
yep, adding 50mg of Var a day to any cycle is going to increase the anabolic load of that cycle by 1000+ mg equivalent of testQuote:
Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars
Wow! I guess considering the anabolic rate of the two right?Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
yes , Var is 3-6x more anabolic then test and thats even WITHOUT the androgenic and estrogen aspects of test (androgen load and estrogen load carry their own anabolic properties) . so thats what I mean when I say things like "Var is a 'pure' anabolic" . its 100% anabolic without androgens or estrogens helping outQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuz
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Originally Posted by GearHeaded
Pretty sure the first and only time i ran it i got fucked and got winstrol, pretty sure it was fake anavar. Shitty online domestic source...
I never thought of it like that, id much rather run var than a gram of test considering how estro sensitive i am.
What about combing winstrol and dbol / anadrol and maybe some deca for a similar anabolic load?Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
funny you ask . I got a client I just got done talking to 20 mins ago . and we are doing exactly that . 25mg Winstrol at night, Dbol pre workout , and Deca (probably add some Primo too) .. this is for a transition phase.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronLiver
so yes . great combos there and they all provide unique secondary characteristics (Winstrol cortisol suppression, Dbol/Drol nutrient uptake into muscle cells, Deca anabolism along side anti inflammation support)
Usually when people push for oral only as a younger person it's because they are afraid of a needle. Alternatively they are living at home or with someone and they can hide pills easier than needles + sharps container.
Why the Winstrol at night?Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
in this situation we are mainly using Winstrol to blunt Cortisol and gluconeogenis (which generally happens during your 8-10 hour fast while sleeping) .. in the morning with meal one he will be having Carbs and some Insuligen which will then blunt Cortisol and gluconeogensis in the morning. so winstrol at night and Insulin during the day to keep Cortisol in checkQuote:
Originally Posted by IronLiver
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Originally Posted by GearHeaded
One of the many reasons I love my scripted var.