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    Sixth cycle and advice.

    Hi all,

    Outline for sixth cycle below.

    Cycle
    Week 1-3 750 mg test e EW
    Week 3-8 500 mg test e EW
    Week 1-6 NPP 350 mg EW
    Week 1-8 Proviron 50mg ED
    Week 1-8 Aromsin 12.5 EOD
    Caber?

    PCT
    Nolva 40/20/20/20
    Clomid 75/50/50/50

    Questions
    1) What dose shall I run the caber at if at all?
    2) During my research I’ve come across theories relating to the long lasting metabolites in Nandrolone that can cause erectile dysfunction months and sometimes years after the cycle has ended. Anyone have experience of this?
    3) Any general advice and thoughts on NPP?

    Thanks.
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    Drop the asin and throw nolva at 10 mg if needed.
    You can keep caber in hand but I wouldnt use it if not needed.
    Masteron is a great fix for deca related erectile dysfunction (the metabolite youre referring is DHN, dihydronandrolone. It has high affinity for androgen receptors but doesnt illicit the same effects as DHT does. Masteron will overpower it in receptor site) Proviron will help with that too, with its effect on DHT levels and by being a DHT derived itself.
    You are using short ester nandrolone , so dont be worried about long time effects. I would extend the cycle though..
    Also you can keep test at 750 mg instead of tapering down, high test works great with nandrolone.
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    I say the cycle looks pretty good (and basic, but basic can work).

    biggest issue . taking aromasin from day one of your cycle. bad move. your using long ester test , but Aromasin is going to kick in instantly and stop the aromatization of your current natty production, which will then crash your estrogen levels and your going to be going into this cycle with crashed estrogen, feeling like shit, have no libido or sex drive, and THEN blame the NPP and say you got 'deca dick' , when it was the Aromasin all along.

    I'd just ditch the Aromasin. if your estrogen sensitive even with only 500mg of test. run some Nolva at 10mg.. that will blunt estrogen receptors without crushing blood levels of estrogen. masteron as mentioned is helpful too, especially when running a progestin like NPP, deca, Tren .

    stay away from caber. thats a last resort option (things like AI's and Caber are much toxic and harmful to health then the steroids themselves)

    one more idea.. extend the cycle a bit. I'm a fan of short cycles, 6-8 weeks BUT only for guys that blast and cruise, not for guys that PCT.. or if you want to keep it short, at least fill in the gap and run test prop or an oral between the time of your last pin of test e and the time you start pct.. like Winstrol from week 8-10.
    also, theres no reason to stop NPP at week 6 . its going to be just getting going. run it the whole duration. I'd also keep test at 750mg the whole duration.


    as for your question about deca dick. 90% of the time the problem arises from running an AI while using Deca. what happens is your crash your estrogen, which is the hormone responsible for male libido and sexual function, and also (as mentioned) deca converts to DHN which has no androgenic effects and then your DHT drops off.. keep the AI's out of a deca cycle, run Proviorn or Mast, and some test and your totally fine.
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    Run test longer and same dose, add masteron , drop AI

    Suprised to see you still bother with a PCT after 6 cycles would be much easier to stay on trt probably alot safer and less trauma on your body as well.
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    Well, are you planning to run your Exemestane from the first week of your cycle?
    No need!
    You should take it from the 3rd week of your cycle.
    (But preferably you should give up and give tamoxifen citrate at a dose of 10 to 20 mg in the cycle from start to finish.)
    Nolvadex will always be the best option as it only blocks estrogen receptors in your body).


    Regarding carbegoline, I would trade for Masteron .
    Masteron has the ability to act and block prolactin receptors!
    300 mg -400 mg Masteron per week / will be responsible for the effects of nandrolone phenylpropionate progestin.
    Use Masteron at a dose of 300-400 mg per week and you will block the prolactin receptors.

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    Você não pretende executar o intra-ciclo de HCG ? Ou você pretende fazer uma potência PCT de 10 dias consecutivos no final do ciclo?


    Bem, a dosagem de PCT é perfeita. Mas se você quiser, pode adicionar mais duas semanas apenas com Nolvadex em 20/20


    Oh I forgot to say I would increase your cycle to 12 total weeks, and perform NPP from beginning to end of cycle with Maste at the support doses.
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    Cuz;Run test longer and same dose, add masteron , drop AI

    Suprised to see you still bother with a PCT after 6 cycles would be much easier to stay on trt probably alot safer and less trauma on your body as well.
    I think it's great this suggestion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    Run test longer and same dose, add masteron , drop AI

    Suprised to see you still bother with a PCT after 6 cycles would be much easier to stay on trt probably alot safer and less trauma on your body as well.
    Why are you surprised?

    A PCT is needed at the end of all cycles, unless you do something differently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davimeireles View Post
    Well, are you planning to run your Exemestane from the first week of your cycle?
    No need!
    You should take it from the 3rd week of your cycle.
    (But preferably you should give up and give tamoxifen citrate at a dose of 10 to 20 mg in the cycle from start to finish.)
    Nolvadex will always be the best option as it only blocks estrogen receptors in your body).


    Regarding carbegoline, I would trade for Masteron .
    Masteron has the ability to act and block prolactin receptors!
    300 mg -400 mg Masteron per week / will be responsible for the effects of nandrolone phenylpropionate progestin.
    Use Masteron at a dose of 300-400 mg per week and you will block the prolactin receptors.
    interesting...

    I had no idea about the effects of Masteron on prolactin receptors! Do you know if that's a quality of all DHT compounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davimeireles View Post
    Você não pretende executar o intra-ciclo de HCG ? Ou você pretende fazer uma potência PCT de 10 dias consecutivos no final do ciclo?


    Bem, a dosagem de PCT é perfeita. Mas se você quiser, pode adicionar mais duas semanas apenas com Nolvadex em 20/20


    Oh I forgot to say I would increase your cycle to 12 total weeks, and perform NPP from beginning to end of cycle with Maste at the support doses.
    My portuguese isn't great, but i think you're asking about HCG, which I forgot to include in my brief - I'll be running the standard 500 iu EW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_1978 View Post
    Why are you surprised?

    A PCT is needed at the end of all cycles, unless you do something differently?
    That’s a true statement cant argue there. The more you cycle, the more your natural testosterone production more than likely is gonna drop...and continue to do so until you are in the 200ng/dl range as i was...you have done 6 cycles and that means you have basically roller coasted your hormones. If its working for you, you dont have to change anything if you dont want. After 5 cycles my test was done, pct or no pct...

    As for Mast, its the best anti estrogenic drug ive ever used. Beats nolva and adex used together by a mile, it has even started to reverse my gyno if thats even believable. Not to mention its anabolic where adex and nolva are pretty toxic to the body. This is my personal opinion through my experience only, others may vary
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_1978 View Post
    Why are you surprised?

    A PCT is needed at the end of all cycles, unless you do something differently?
    People who have done that many cycles generally just blast and cruise. You never actually come off but just lower your doses to minimal amounts to maintain your size. After that many times of shutting yourself down it’s unlikely your natural test levels are very high anyway. Therefore, it makes more sense to always be on test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    That’s a true statement cant argue there. The more you cycle, the more your natural testosterone production more than likely is gonna drop...and continue to do so until you are in the 200ng/dl range as i was...you have done 6 cycles and that means you have basically roller coasted your hormones. If its working for you, you dont have to change anything if you dont want. After 5 cycles my test was done, pct or no pct...

    As for Mast, its the best anti estrogenic drug ive ever used. Beats nolva and adex used together by a mile, it has even started to reverse my gyno if thats even believable. Not to mention its anabolic where adex and nolva are pretty toxic to the body. This is my personal opinion through my experience only, others may vary
    I always thought the idea around blast and cruise was for guys who didn't want to come off- it's definitely given me food for thought.

    My pre cycle bloods prior to my first ever cycle was 779 ng/dl, and my levels pre fifth cycle came back at 630 nd/dl. I guess I'm doing ok, but who knows?
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    Lee_1978; .... mas acho que você está perguntando sobre o HCG, que esqueci de incluir no meu resumo - estarei executando o EW padrão de 500 iu.

    Yes, that's what I meant.
    I was wondering if you will use HCG during the cycle. Sorry for the misspellings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_1978 View Post
    I always thought the idea around blast and cruise was for guys who didn't want to come off- it's definitely given me food for thought.

    My pre cycle bloods prior to my first ever cycle was 779 ng/dl, and my levels pre fifth cycle came back at 630 nd/dl. I guess I'm doing ok, but who knows?
    How old are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    How old are you?

    I'm 40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    How old are you?
    i've just checked my reports from the bloods taken pre fifth cycle and it was in fact 661 ng/dl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_1978 View Post
    I'm 40.
    Are you planning to continue to cycle for as long as you can lift weights ?

    I would give HRT a serious consideration at your age. It would likely offer many health benefits and be less expensive than PCT to be honest.
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    A basic starting point for HRT might look like ;

    MWF Injections ;
    40mg Test
    250IU HCG

    Daily;

    5000IU Calciferol
    100mcg K2
    25mg DHEA (with last meal of day)

    Future Considerations (therapeutic dosages):

    - Deca Durabolin
    - Anavar
    - Primobolan
    - HGH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    A basic starting point for HRT might look like ;

    MWF Injections ;
    40mg Test
    250IU HCG

    Daily;

    5000IU Calciferol
    100mcg K2
    25mg DHEA (with last meal of day)

    Future Considerations (therapeutic dosages):

    - Deca Durabolin
    - Anavar
    - Primobolan
    - HGH
    Do you think I need TRT? My natural test is still pretty decent, but who knows after this cycle!

    Are you doing a similar plan and if so, what's been your experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post

    Daily;

    5000IU Calciferol
    100mcg K2
    25mg DHEA (with last meal of day)

    - HGH
    Just curious, what is the role of K2 here? I take 100mcg on occasion for a specific purpose, but if it brings benefit, I will add it back to my daily routine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Just curious, what is the role of K2 here? I take 100mcg on occasion for a specific purpose, but if it brings benefit, I will add it back to my daily routine.
    If you take Vitamin D3 without K2 it will lead to calcium leeching from your bones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_1978 View Post
    Do you think I need TRT? My natural test is still pretty decent, but who knows after this cycle!

    Are you doing a similar plan and if so, what's been your experience?
    Need is a subjective term. It would likely optimize your quality of life. I would start by reading the HRT stickies and do some further research before cycling.

    HRT is a lifelong commitment

    My protocol for HRT is more advanced with different goals in mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    If you take Vitamin D3 without K2 it will lead to calcium leeching from your bones.
    I had no idea about this.

    So upping your calcium intake wouldn’t make a difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee_1978 View Post
    I had no idea about this.

    So upping your calcium intake wouldn’t make a difference?
    It just ends up with more calcium deposited where you don’t want so much of it, vasculature and musculature namely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    It just ends up with more calcium deposited where you don’t want so much of it, vasculature and musculature namely.
    Thanks for clarifying.

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    Since you had asked, this is my current HRT for reference

    90mg Test
    150mg Primo
    150mg Deca Durabolin
    30mg Parabolin (Tren Hex)
    3IU HGH
    30mg MK677
    1000IU HCG
    50mg DHEA
    7000IU Calciferol
    20mg Cardarine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Since you had asked, this is my current HRT for reference

    90mg Test
    150mg Primo
    150mg Deca Durabolin
    30mg Parabolin (Tren Hex)
    3IU HGH
    30mg MK677
    1000IU HCG
    50mg DHEA
    7000IU Calciferol
    20mg Cardarine
    Can you tell me a little bit about the benefit of this regime?

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    Can those who have cycled with NPP tell me a little about their experience?

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