Blasting /TRT doses and recovery...

[Timiaans]

Hi, to everyone! I have a question about blasting and cruise.. When we are on cycle we use supraphisialogical doses of testosterone and AAS or just testosterone alone or in different combinations wih AAS.. When cruise some use TRT dose of testosterone alone some prefer in combination with some low dose AAS.. My questions is...
1) do those who blast and cruise never do PCT? They stay on TRT forever?
2)Does it mean that if you periodically lower testosterone dose to TRT level and don't use any AAS is more easily restore natural testosterone? 3)Is it true if blast with testosterone alone no higher doses than 250 - 400mg/week it's more easy restore natural testosterone production?
4)Does it mean high dose more suppressive low dose less suppressive /easier recovery?

[Gallowmere]

Honestly, PCT is a crapshoot at best, and there’s no assurance that you’ll recover to your original hormonal baseline regardless of dosage of AAS and PCT protocol.

I’m fortunate in that I was diagnosed hypo and was on TRT before I started anything else anyway.

Most guys that I have talked to who are in the iron/aas game for life just say fuck it and accept that they’re married to the needle forever and just stay on TRT for life. I didn’t have a choice in the matter, so I figured that I might as well make the most of it.

[Windex]

Hi, to everyone! I have a question about blasting and cruise.. When we are on cycle we use supraphisialogical doses of testosterone and AAS or just testosterone alone or in different combinations wih AAS.. When cruise some use TRT dose of testosterone alone some prefer in combination with some low dose AAS.. My questions is...
1) do those who blast and cruise never do PCT? They stay on TRT forever?
2)Does it mean that if you periodically lower testosterone dose to TRT level and don't use any AAS is more easily restore natural testosterone? 3)Is it true if blast with testosterone alone no higher doses than 250 - 400mg/week it's more easy restore natural testosterone production?
4)Does it mean high dose more suppressive low dose less suppressive /easier recovery?

1) Blast and Cruise means no PCT. You marry the needle for the rest of tour life

2) No, being shut down is being shut down, it doesn't matter if it's 150mg or 1000mg of Test - your endocrine system doesn't differentiate degrees of shutdown from exogenous testosterone.

3) No incorrect, see 2

4) Incorrect, see 2. 19Nors are the only compound "more supressive", specifically Deca Durabolin .

[Timiaans]

1) Blast and Cruise means no PCT. You marry the needle for the rest of tour life

2) No, being shut down is being shut down, it doesn't matter if it's 150mg or 1000mg of Test - your endocrine system doesn't differentiate degrees of shutdown from exogenous testosterone .

3) No incorrect, see 2

4) Incorrect, see 2. 19Nors are the only compound "more supressive", specifically Deca Durabolin.

Thanks a lot for answer.. . I was a little confused about that. I know that any exogenous amount will shut down but then found couple info where said that less amount and less compounds means easier recover own testosterone production...
Thanks again!

[Test Monsterone]

Thanks a lot for answer.. . I was a little confused about that. I know that any exogenous amount will shut down but then found couple info where said that less amount and less compounds means easier recover own testosterone production...
Thanks again!

An endocrinologist told me that how much you get shut down is dose dependent, and we already know that different compounds affect the HPTA differently (ex. Anavar vs Deca ).

I know that everyone says it doesn’t matter how much you take, you will get shut down either way. I followed this belief as well, but maybe this is just something we all take as a given but might not be true. Do we have studies showing various TRT dosages’ effects on LH/FSH?

[GearHeaded]

theres a difference between suppression and shut down.

a drug can suppress your natty test levels, but that doesn't mean your shut down. you still produce natty test but at lower levels and rates.

different drugs differ on the amount of suppression.. also different durations of time matter. total shutdown is usually duration of time dependent and not just drug dependent

[Timiaans]

Thanks for yours answers and support guys ! GearHeded's answer was exactly what I was reading about in few different articles and studies... Ones say that will shutdown completely other say suppress to degree depending on drug and duration and genetics.
Once again, thanks!

[Gallowmere]

Thanks for yours answers and support guys ! GearHeded's answer was exactly what I was reading about in few different articles and studies... Ones say that will shutdown completely other say suppress to degree depending on drug and duration and genetics.
Once again, thanks!

I think the reason that most default to telling you that it’s shutting you down, is because of dosages involved. Yeah, so Nandrolone is only about 65% as suppressive per mg as Test, iirc. That’s irrelevant unless you are using that singular compound at the original studied therapeutic dosage (50-200 mg every two weeks).
The dosages of any of these compounds in the dosages required for supraphysiologic changes are in the range where your natural production is turned off.
Even a TRT dose of test is enough to turn off natural production in almost anyone, simply due to the nature of what you’re trying to illicit (a great physiological and psychological state identical to that of what you would be with a healthy natural production).

[Windex]

An endocrinologist told me that how much you get shut down is dose dependent, and we already know that different compounds affect the HPTA differently (ex. Anavar vs Deca ).

Your endocrinologist either doesn't know what they are talking about or using the words shut down and suppression interchangeably - they are not the same thing.

8 Weeks of Anavar surpesses HPTA
48 Weeks of Testosterone shuts down the HPTA

I know that everyone says it doesn’t matter how much you take, you will get shut down either way. I followed this belief as well, but maybe this is just something we all take as a given but might not be true. Do we have studies showing various TRT dosages’ effects on LH/FSH?

Because the dosage is irrelevant. The OP is a asking about blasting and cruising. In that context, if someone blasts and cruises for 12 months, they are shut down. The gear and dosages used for 12 months is irrelevant to the HPTA at 12 months.

They don't put out studies on enhanced people blasting and cruising - that would never fly with WHO. You also can take any HRT study and see the natural progression of FSH and LH approaching 0.

Any HRT dosage will put FSH and LH to zero, that's just common knowledge. There's probably 1000 studies on NIH / NLM for that and another 1000 studies in Journal of Andrology and another 1000 in studies in Journal of Endocrinology.

[Windex]

The unfortunate reality is the medical system is extremely broken on multiple axis. A lot of doctors in the hormone space use terms like shut down and suppression interchangeably, ignorant to the difference:

[Timiaans]

So if cycle length is let's say 12 to maybe 16 weeks(0r less than 12 weeks) and on cycle is not used "huge" amounts and stacks of AAS it's most likely that natural T production will be supprest and not completely shut down (of course individualy dependent).. And from cycles like that should be easier to recover?

[Windex]

So if cycle length is let's say 12 to maybe 16 weeks(0r less than 12 weeks) and on cycle is not used "huge" amounts and stacks of AAS it's most likely that natural T production will be supprest and not completely shut down (of course individualy dependent).. And from cycles like that should be easier to recover?

No it's completely person dependent. You might end up on HRT after one cycle or 5.

If you are concerned about marrying the needle for the rest of your life then don't touch steroids .

There is no narrative that will justify recovery. You are gambling with your endocrine system no matter what.

[Timiaans]

No it's completely person dependent. You might end up on HRT after one cycle or 5.

If you are concerned about marrying the needle for the rest of your life then don't touch steroids .

There is no narrative that will justify recovery. You are gambling with your endocrine system no matter what.

OK. Thanks for answers... Some kind of Russian roulette.. ������