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    Need advice for future cycle

    So as the title says ,
    I am looking to start my 3rd cycle in March until August and I wanna rotate between these compounds.
    Deca
    Primo
    Anavar
    Proviron
    Test(probably cyp but I have access to all kinds)

    I need a recommendation on dosages and what to stack and how many weeks each compound .
    My only restriction is that I don’t wanna exceed 1gr of gear per week.

    Just to clarify I have nolva , Adex,clomid,caber on hand.

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    Height : 193cm
    Weight :95kg
    Body type : ecto
    I am in army right now so can’t train and lost some weight but I am finishing soon .
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    Cycle history would be helpful. What did you run at before and how did it go?

    Iím personally currently running 500 test e, 300 deca , and dbol dosed in a tapering down fashion from 50/day over the 12 weeks. No ancillaries involved at all. Feeling great and performance is up, but that may or may not happen for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Cycle history would be helpful. What did you run at before and how did it go?

    Iím personally currently running 500 test e, 300 deca, and dbol dosed in a tapering down fashion from 50/day over the 12 weeks. No ancillaries involved at all. Feeling great and performance is up, but that may or may not happen for you.
    Previous cycles were test + anabolics (anavar , anadrol ,provi) at 1gr per week , no more .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getsomehate View Post
    Previous cycles were test + anabolics (anavar , anadrol,provi) at 1gr per week , no more .
    Right, but I meant dosages of each. 300 test and 500 deca could be a lot different for you than 500 test and 300 deca.

    Your 1g cap could be anything from 725 test and 275 Anavar to anything in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Right, but I meant dosages of each. 300 test and 500 deca could be a lot different for you than 500 test and 300 deca.

    Your 1g cap could be anything from 725 test and 275 Anavar to anything in between.
    Test was 500-750 in my past cycles and rest was filled with anabolics. I had no estrogenic sides and was feeling really good on that androgen dose .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getsomehate View Post
    Test was 500-750 in my past cycles and rest was filled with anabolics. I had no estrogenic sides and was feeling really good on that androgen dose .
    No need to over complicate then. Test at 500-600, deca at 300-400 and youíre golden.
    You can throw in the Anavar if you want, but I donít see it being all that useful for that kind of cycle. Masteron would be a more appropriate DHT instead of using an AI or SERM, or if you had Anadrol Iíd toss that in over the var.
    Since you do have proviron though, you could theoretically use that to help stave off DHN related Deca sides, though at 300-400 itís likely unnecessary unless trying to run low test, which it doesnít sound like you want to do.
    Caber is entirely too expensive (and unnecessary) an ancillary to run unless youíre extremely prone to prolactin sides.

    12-15 weeks of the aforementioned test and deca doses should give you a lot without getting needlessly complicated. Iíd recommend hiring an actual AAS coach if youíre wanting to do a bunch of cycle swapping if youíre not already familiar with how you respond to all of the compounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    No need to over complicate then. Test at 500-600, deca at 300-400 and youíre golden.
    You can throw in the Anavar if you want, but I donít see it being all that useful for that kind of cycle. Masteron would be a more appropriate DHT instead of using an AI or SERM, or if you had Anadrol Iíd toss that in over the var.
    Since you do have proviron though, you could theoretically use that to help stave off DHN related Deca sides, though at 300-400 itís likely unnecessary unless trying to run low test, which it doesnít sound like you want to do.
    Caber is entirely too expensive (and unnecessary) an ancillary to run unless youíre extremely prone to prolactin sides.

    12-15 weeks of the aforementioned test and deca doses should give you a lot without getting needlessly complicated. Iíd recommend hiring an actual AAS coach if youíre wanting to do a bunch of cycle swapping if youíre not already familiar with how you respond to all of the compounds.
    I was thinking of swapping deca with primo and var during summer . What do u think ?
    I ll probably go for 750-250 test/deca or 700/300

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    Any other recommendation on how to swap between the compounds mentioned ? And in what dosages ?

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    What answer are you looking for ? You can run a cycle however you want. Gallowmere gave you a fine cycle suggestion.

    If you want someone to tell you exactly what compounds in what dosages for given durations then hire a coach.

    If you get 15 responses then all 15 cycle suggestions are going to be slightly different. There is no cookie cutter approach.
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    phase 1 - volumization phase
    week 1-8
    Test 500
    Deca 400
    Proviron 25mg day

    Phase 2 - Anabolic Phase
    weeks 9-14
    Test 200
    Deca 200
    Primo 600


    phase 3 - finisher
    Weeks 15-18
    test 200
    Primo 600
    Var 50mg per day


    you get long enough runs of each compound yet are still able to rotate the compounds over 3 phases .

    each phase has its own unique synergy .
    phase 1 - the test and deca together will volumize you and add some fullness . the proviron will help mitigate sides of higher dose deca
    phase 2 - very anabolic. deca and primo together are a tag team for building new tissue
    phase 3 - just a finisher to help you acclimate to your gains. Primo and Var will will help you hold on to tissue even if your calories drop off

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    phase 1 - volumization phase
    week 1-8
    Test 500
    Deca 400
    Proviron 25mg day

    Phase 2 - Anabolic Phase
    weeks 9-14
    Test 200
    Deca 200
    Primo 600


    phase 3 - finisher
    Weeks 15-18
    test 200
    Primo 600
    Var 50mg per day


    you get long enough runs of each compound yet are still able to rotate the compounds over 3 phases .

    each phase has its own unique synergy .
    phase 1 - the test and deca together will volumize you and add some fullness . the proviron will help mitigate sides of higher dose deca
    phase 2 - very anabolic. deca and primo together are a tag team for building new tissue
    phase 3 - just a finisher to help you acclimate to your gains. Primo and Var will will help you hold on to tissue even if your calories drop off
    Exactly what I was looking for since I had no idea on what doses to swap to .
    Is the use of dostinex necessary when you use deca ?
    It’s my first time using deca , don’t know what to look for .
    Thanks a lot Gh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getsomehate View Post
    Exactly what I was looking for since I had no idea on what doses to swap to .
    Is the use of dostinex necessary when you use deca ?
    It’s my first time using deca , don’t know what to look for .
    Thanks a lot Gh.
    Dostinex is never necessary to combat sides related to the use of 19 nors. Your dose of deca is low enough that sides are going to be unlikely. If you’re concerned you could throw in masteron and that will take care of anything you’re worried about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wannabhuge14 View Post
    Dostinex is never necessary to combat sides related to the use of 19 nors. Your dose of deca is low enough that sides are going to be unlikely. If youíre concerned you could throw in masteron and that will take care of anything youíre worried about.
    The funny part is that Mast is cheaper and will also help with anabolism, which Caber wonít.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    The funny part is that Mast is cheaper and will also help with anabolism, which Caber wonít.
    In Canada pharma dostinex unscripted is $300 it's bananas. For the same price you could run 350mg of Mast for 16-18 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    In Canada pharma dostinex unscripted is $300 it's bananas. For the same price you could run 350mg of Mast for 16-18 weeks.
    In Greece u buy unscripted drugs like candies .
    Bought dostinex unscripted for 30Ä If I can recall .
    Whatís the avg price of mast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getsomehate View Post
    In Greece u buy unscripted drugs like candies .
    Bought dostinex unscripted for 30Ä If I can recall .
    Whatís the avg price of mast?
    Iirc, mast hasnít been made in a pharma prep for sometime, even though itís still approved in most countries pharmacopoeia. As such, UGLs would be the primary source. Here in the US, Mast P tends to run around $45-55 per gram (100mg/ml 10 ml) and Mast E around 55-65 per two grams (200mg/ml).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Iirc, mast hasn’t been made in a pharma prep for sometime, even though it’s still approved in most countries pharmacopoeia. As such, UGLs would be the primary source. Here in the US, Mast P tends to run around $45-55 per gram (100mg/ml 10 ml) and Mast E around 55-65 per two grams (200mg/ml).
    Then it’s more expensive than proviron and caber together .
    I ll check the pricing here although my provider is senting me stuff from a pharma company from China.so far so good and thanks for the replies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getsomehate View Post
    Then it’s more expensive than proviron and caber together .
    I ll check the pricing here although my provider is senting me stuff from a pharma company from China.so far so good and thanks for the replies
    highly unlikely . Proviron by itself dose for dose is more expensive then Mast ,, let alone adding in a $70 bottle of Caber

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    highly unlikely . Proviron by itself dose for dose is more expensive then Mast ,, let alone adding in a $70 bottle of Caber
    Bought dostinex from pharmacy 20euros for 8x0.5
    And proviron 3 euros for the 25 mg package .
    Maybe where u live is very expensive or idk .
    Maybe I leave in Gymrats paradise .
    I ll just buy mast as well since I see u recommend it everywhere , I must give it a shot .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getsomehate View Post
    Bought dostinex from pharmacy 20euros for 8x0.5
    And proviron 3 euros for the 25 mg package .
    Maybe where u live is very expensive or idk .
    well you'd need to do the actual math. just because a single "package" of something seems cheap doesn't mean it is cheap.
    does your package of Proviron contain 160 tabs , or just 20 tabs. you would need 160 total tabs to equal 2 bottles of Masteron (which is 4000mg total) . same with the caber, do the math on running an effective dose of that over 12 weeks and the add that to the 4000mg of proviron you would need.
    I'm sure when you total it all up, mg per mg, the caber and proviron are more expensive then two bottles of Mast

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    well you'd need to do the actual math. just because a single "package" of something seems cheap doesn't mean it is cheap.
    does your package of Proviron contain 160 tabs , or just 20 tabs. you would need 160 total tabs to equal 2 bottles of Masteron (which is 4000mg total) . same with the caber, do the math on running an effective dose of that over 12 weeks and the add that to the 4000mg of proviron you would need.
    I'm sure when you total it all up, mg per mg, the caber and proviron are more expensive then two bottles of Mast
    Didn’t know the actual doses of caber or proviron needed , although I didn’t mean to run a cycle with caber , just use it same way I would use adex, to counter prolactin issues , but since deca dose is low I ll probably be fine

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