Masteron Propionate +Test Enanthate Cycle?

**chitown79** · 12-21-2019, 09:40 AM

Could anyone recommend an effective weekly dosage for bulking using only Test E and Masteron P? The literature seems to vary widely using these two compounds. Thanks!

**Gallowmere** · 12-21-2019, 09:44 AM

Never know until you try. Do you have experience with test only cycles? If so, which dosages have you feeling the best?
If not, starting at 500-600/week and adding 200-300/week of mast could work great. Just make absolutely sure you’re not doing something stupid like running an AI on that test dose along with the mast. You’ll wreck your E2 and end up feeling like shit, unless you’re extremely estrogen sensitive.

**Cuz** · 12-21-2019, 09:49 AM

Welcome....

**chitown79** · 12-21-2019, 09:56 AM

I did one short 5-week cycle of a Test blend with Equipoise last year pinning 275mg Test and 200mg equipoise every 4 days. I tolerated it like a champ and the results were pretty spectacular as I looked like the damn Michelin Man (in a good way). Unfortunately I deflated like a popped balloon within a month afterwards.

Trying to decide if I should load Masteron in the first half for its cutting properties and then just coast on the Test until I'm out. I only have 10ml of each (250mg/ml Test and 100mg/ml Mast)

**chitown79** · 12-21-2019, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Cuz

Welcome....

Thanks man!

**Gallowmere** · 12-21-2019, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by chitown79

I did one short 5-week cycle of a Test blend with Equipoise last year pinning 275mg Test and 200mg equipoise every 4 days. I tolerated it like a champ and the results were pretty spectacular as I looked like the damn Michelin Man (in a good way). Unfortunately I deflated like a popped balloon within a month afterwards.

Trying to decide if I should load Masteron in the first half for its cutting properties and then just coast on the Test until I'm out. I only have 10ml of each (250mg/ml Test and 100mg/ml Mast)

Honestly, unless you’re a TRT patient, you’re better off waiting until you can get enough gear to run a proper cycle. That would be just enough for just long enough to completely shut down your natural production and leave you with nothing to show for it by the time you recovered.

**chitown79** · 12-21-2019, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

Honestly, unless you’re a TRT patient, you’re better off waiting until you can get enough gear to run a proper cycle. That would be just enough for just long enough to completely shut down your natural production and leave you with nothing to show for it by the time you recovered.

Ah. Good to know. Thanks for the advice. I might still experiment a bit to see if I can get any results but, yes, it seems like a very small amount.

**GearHeaded** · 12-21-2019, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by chitown79

Trying to decide if I should load Masteron in the first half for its cutting properties and then just coast on the Test until I'm out. I only have 10ml of each (250mg/ml Test and 100mg/ml Mast)

using mast to cut the first half of a cycle and then trying to bulk the second half is going to be a waste and result in you spinning your wheels. putting on quality muscle tissues takes months and months, you need every minute focused on bulking If thats your goal

personally, bulking with test and mast , with those two compounds low dosages are not going to accomplish a whole lot

**Cuz** · 12-21-2019, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by chitown79

I did one short 5-week cycle of a Test blend with Equipoise last year pinning 275mg Test and 200mg equipoise every 4 days. I tolerated it like a champ and the results were pretty spectacular as I looked like the damn Michelin Man (in a good way). Unfortunately I deflated like a popped balloon within a month afterwards.

Trying to decide if I should load Masteron in the first half for its cutting properties and then just coast on the Test until I'm out. I only have 10ml of each (250mg/ml Test and 100mg/ml Mast)

Chi it would be best to wait and gather enough oils to do a full proper cycle.
You can run what you have of course but since you’re not on trt you really will see little to basically no gain on those two vials

**chitown79** · 12-21-2019, 11:55 AM

Valuable advice. Thanks, All. I might just treat this like a short Test-only cycle, since I have it, and look for more gear later in the spring. It was originally supposed to include tren but the bottle smashed (!). If I see results I'll post them here. :-)

**Nephets** · 12-21-2019, 05:51 PM

what they are trying to tell you is that to run a test only cycle this short will give you very little gains. By the time the test really kicks in your cycle will be over and you will have shut down your natural test levels....causing you to probably break even by the time you recover.

**GearHeaded** · 12-21-2019, 06:44 PM

6 week short blasts work great for guys on TRT ,, not so much for guys that PCT after every cycle . if your only on your second cycle and your already thinking your the type a guy thats going to want to experiment with different compounds and dosages here and there, then your going to want to commit to TRT or blasting and cruising and doing maybe one pct per year (but its a big decision to make so do your research)

**Nephets** · 12-21-2019, 07:23 PM

What about 8 weeks with a test prop.

**chitown79** · 12-21-2019, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Nephets

What about 8 weeks with a test prop.

Do you mean doing a cycle with only test? (apologies, still v new to this)

**chitown79** · 12-21-2019, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Nephets

what they are trying to tell you is that to run a test only cycle this short will give you very little gains. By the time the test really kicks in your cycle will be over and you will have shut down your natural test levels....causing you to probably break even by the time you recover.

This makes sense. I'm wondering if that's why I exploded on the cycle I did after just a few weeks last year and then lost all the gains within a month.

**Nephets** · 12-21-2019, 09:46 PM

Thats probably it. Don’t repeat a failed cycle. My 8 week test prop question was to gear head. Was thinking if you had your heart set on a short cycle maybe a short Easter test may work better.

**Gallowmere** · 12-22-2019, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by Nephets

Thats probably it. Don’t repeat a failed cycle. My 8 week test prop question was to gear head. Was thinking if you had your heart set on a short cycle maybe a short Easter test may work better.

It definitely should on paper. The problem becomes that with what little we have to go on here (no bloodwork to know how he’s bouncing back), it’s hard to advise. For all we know, he started with a natural test level on the high end and he’s now on the lower end. If that’s the case, even a short ester 8 week run could result in him being hypo, in which case he’ll be far worse off than now, within a few months.
One of the nastier myths that still goes around is that “proper PCT” works all of the time. There are some people that it just flat out doesn’t ever work for, and they end up being TRT candidates for life.

**chitown79** · 12-22-2019, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

It definitely should on paper. The problem becomes that with what little we have to go on here (no bloodwork to know how he’s bouncing back), it’s hard to advise. For all we know, he started with a natural test level on the high end and he’s now on the lower end. If that’s the case, even a short ester 8 week run could result in him being hypo, in which case he’ll be far worse off than now, within a few months.
One of the nastier myths that still goes around is that “proper PCT” works all of the time. There are some people that it just flat out doesn’t ever work for, and they end up being TRT candidates for life.

I actually just had blood work done and everything is fine, including normal test levels. It's been a full year since my first cycle. It sounds like a short, test-only cycle is good for a temporary bulk- almost like a reverse crash diet. I also spoke to a doctor about it (risky I know, but this guy was a champ) and he said a short 5-6 week cycle is fine. If I don't see any gains over the next 9 pins, at least I'll add that to my knowledge base and try for a longer cycle in the summer with some more tried-and-true compounds.

**Gallowmere** · 12-22-2019, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by chitown79

I actually just had blood work done and everything is fine, including normal test levels. It's been a full year since my first cycle. It sounds like a short, test-only cycle is good for a temporary bulk- almost like a reverse crash diet. I also spoke to a doctor about it (risky I know, but this guy was a champ) and he said a short 5-6 week cycle is fine. If I don't see any gains over the next 9 pins, at least I'll add that to my knowledge base and try for a longer cycle in the summer with some more tried-and-true compounds.

It sounds like you already know a bit more than you let on, so more power to you. I am just all about being armed with knowledge before playing HPTA Russian roulette.
So long as you know that there’s always a gamble that could result in your being on TRT for life, enjoy the experiments. I rather enjoy being married to the needle, but the prospect freaks some people out. As such, I’d rather they know it’s a thing.

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**chitown79** · 12-22-2019, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

It sounds like you already know a bit more than you let on, so more power to you. I am just all about being armed with knowledge before playing HPTA Russian roulette.
So long as you know that there’s always a gamble that could result in your being on TRT for life, enjoy the experiments. I rather enjoy being married to the needle, but the prospect freaks some people out. As such, I’d rather they know it’s a thing.

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Yeah I hear you. Sifting through all the knowledge found online is a beast, so it's good to hear from people directly on the forums. I feel like I've done a lot of research, but that research definitively told me I'd have zero results on my last cycle, but I gained 15lbs of muscle, so I'm trying the forums this go-around. I appreciate the heads up on TRT, though.

**Windex** · 12-24-2019, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by chitown79

Valuable advice. Thanks, All. I might just treat this like a short Test-only cycle, since I have it, and look for more gear later in the spring. It was originally supposed to include tren but the bottle smashed (!). If I see results I'll post them here. :-)

Sounds like a waste of time and money being shutdown for nothing. You don't buy a ferrari then fill it with cheap gas.