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Previously i have had a few cycles, but to inconsistent diet and not being able to consume enough calories i didn't get much outta it.
This year i dailed in my diet and I think i m on par to cycle year round BnC ofcourse. Conservatively i want to put on 40lbs. Best results i got was from test/deca. I started at 174lbs in August last year and just today i saw 200lbs for first time (post shit)
Any suggestions from u champs?
Thanks in advance
Congrats on getting up to 200.
Will you add some more details so the guys can better help? Stats/previous cycles etc.
Are you saying a conservative goal is getting to 240 by years end?
Cycle year round??
Time on = time off.
Time on = 3 months.
Time off = 250 mg test.
Or else u frie your receptors.
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"Fry your receptors"...Quote:
Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin
Interesting concept.
100% bullshit.
Fry what receptors? Cruising on 250mg a week of test lol. Thats like a small year round cycle haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin
if you could "fry your receptors" then life long TRT could never work. your doc would have to keep taking you on and off TRT or up your dosage all the time etc.. but he doesn't have to do that cause 200mg of test all year round for decades on end simply works all the time and will work forever.
same reason your Grandma can take heart medication she has been taking for 20 years and keep taking it at the same dosage year after year and it continues to work just the same
Pretty much. In fact, if you could deaden androgen receptors, we’d see test work like leptin/insulin resistance, and that’s not what happens. Not even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
The feedback loops are totally different.
So then, the primary reasoning to get off of a cycle would be issues like lipids, liver enzymes & sides?
Pretty much. You could stay on huge doses forever and keep growing, but you’re eventually going to feel so shit that it wouldn’t matter. Plus the whole death thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proximal
I pushed my very first cycle to 18 weeks just because I was still seeing results. The last week and a half I just felt like fucking death.
It was probably a combination of the gear, the overfeeding, and the fact that you can just push harder when on cycle. Something is eventually gonna break.
yes. but even these things are, imo, artificially simulated by the drugs themselves. for example, if your HDL cholesterol is 9 when your on a cycle of Tren, thats totally different then your HDL being 9 if totally natty. your not 'naturally' at 9.. the drug your taking is altering the value. there is more going on because of the drug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proximal
if your at a 9 and your natural. you may want to be a bit worried.. but when on drugs, things are not the same.
just like if you were natty and your hematocrit was 58 , thats a sign of an under laying disease or problem with your kidneys or something. but if your on a gram of test and gram of deca and your Hemo is 58 , umm well that might be expected and thus be totally fine. there is no underlaying condition.
so yes , come off the drugs to give your body and blood work a break . but even the blood work issues are not as big as an issue and concern as some guys make them out to be ,, imo.
one of the best reasons to take time of from gear (apart from cleaning up health factors) is just simply to avoid accumulative fatigue. the drugs are up regulating all sorts of processes in the body. your turning over processes at a much higher rate then when natty. this requires energy and thus will generate fatigue. fatigue accumulates over time and we simply need to give the body a break
You cant fry your receptors. Will gains slow down after being on for a long time? Yes, but its not from fried receptors. After being on trt for 10 years my bloodwork still comes back the same from the same dose.Quote:
Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin
OP - if you want to put on 40 pounds this year . this is my advice
- run a lot of Anabolic based drugs over androgenic based drugs.. so that would be things like deca and primo over tren and mast.
- add other growth factors to your stacks. this means using things like HGH, Insulin, MK677, T4, low dose Clen, etc.. to hit various growth pathways outside of the androgen recptor . stacking these things with the actual anabolic drugs will make things all work better together.
- food .. none of this stuff works without the co factors in place. nutrition provides the co factors. if you don't have the best appetite to begin with and you struggle to eat , then start off by at least making sure your getting the most nutrient dense food per serving.
chicken and rice isn't going to cut it.. go with steak and potato, salmon, ground bison, etc.. add avacodo and olive oil to all your meals. don't fill yourself up on crap food that has no nutrition and co factors in it for muscle growth.
Theoretically this means nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jstone
People who have insulin resistance have higher than normal insulin levels but are to the point of needing exogenous insulin to push their blood glucose down.
Unfortunately, there are no downstream blood markers that could be reliably used for what test is doing at the receptor.
I’m not saying receptors are fried, just that this isn’t a good metric for checking receptor activation, and that I don’t think we really have a good objective marker.
What killed the “deadened receptor” thing for me was realizing that PSA will keep elevating in the presence of heightened androgen load over time. If your androgen receptors stopped responding after a while, we should see a climb, peak, level off, then reduction. That’s not what happens though.
You can put on 40lbs this year no problem but what you’re getting into is basically trying to hurry up this process . What im saying is why not shoot for something more realistic like 20lbs and keep some symmetry and aesthetics?
It is what it is there’s no miracle way to quickly do this if it was we would all be looking like mr O contestants
You wont fry receptors time off time on is bs and you do not need super high doses but you need to stay ON imo to keep gaining i don’t recommend doing this as its not healthy way of living
Congrats on your gains
I will only add...
Shutup sil.
I mean 52 weeks and 40 lbs ? No ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuz
It won't be 40 lbs of muscle.Quote:
Originally Posted by kbunyan
Says you because.... Parrot parrot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Windex
I documented my travels here.
In one year I did over 40 lbs of muscle.
I could say 60 if I hadnt fiddle fucked with cycling.
I get tired of hearing the crap about water etc.
Its in and a part of muscle.
When you actually train and eat and use compounds with a backbone, you should add mass like crazy.
One year is an easy 40lbs for a newb.
If they cant then they probably should find a new hobby.
If you are cycling dont fuck about. I am done telling people that shit about 500mg of test etc.
You want to get bigger, taking chemocals... Hit a gram of sustanon a wk for four months, 50-100 mg dbol ED 8wks, and 400-700 mg deca for four months.
Wade into the diet and chemicals similarly and if you reallly want mass dont stop. Drop to trt and add in slin for two months and blast off again with some tren added in. Rotate compounds and repeat
You dont lift like a pussy or eat like a rabbit and you will pick up 50lbs of mass.
Shit... There are nattys that can put on 30lbs in a year.
For some reason though joe dipshit online knows what you as a person are and are not capable of...
mass is mass . mass is needed to put on "muscle" . you need to get big in order to get big, if that makes sense. is 40 pounds of weight gain necessarily 100% quality raw muscle tissue only . probably not. but so what. its still what your body needs to do to get acclimated for more size and muscle gains.
about a year or so ago Nick Trigili (an ifbb pro and now youtube blah blah personality) was calling out Antoine Valliant when he was making his come back and Nick said Antoine was too small and should just got to classic physique .. lol, well fuck Antoine at 5'10" tall just got done bulking to 333 pounds and still had abs . REALLY ,, classic physique , wtf Nick you idiot. Classic physique Antoine would only be allowed to weigh like 210 pounds .
my point is, even for experienced guys like Antoine, you can still put on 40+ pounds in a year
does that really look classic and too small to you mr Nick Trigili.. 333 pounds lol.
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you gotta do what you gotta do to get big and 40 pounds of mass in less then a year is totally doable
60 is doable if its mass.Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
Thats exactly what I would have done if I had had someone like you around as a coach etc when I started. 40 lbs lean and dry without question.
It was so easy.
The weight fell on and I didn't even know what I was doing.
The first year should be the best gains a guy will ever see.
I shouldnt have wasted my time with cycling and tiptoeing.