Who cruises and how much?

[djnuffsaid]

So I just finished a cycle of Mast, Test, EQ, and NPP with the last month also having t3, clen , and Var.

Went something like this -
First third
Sust 500mg/wk
Tren 400mg/wk
Mast 400mg/wk

Second third
Sust 400mg/wk
NPP 350mg/wk
Mast 400mg/wk
EQ 500mg/wk

Third third
Sust 400mg/wk
NPP 350mg/wk
Mast 400mg/wk
EQ 400mg/wk
Anavar 50mg/ed
T3 50mcg/ed
Clen 60mcg/ed


My question is, when you start getting into cycles like mine with lots of compounds and rotating, when you come off and cruise, What do you cruise on and how much of it do you use. I was planning and cruising on 500mg of Test a week. Thoughts?

My goal was to cut 15lbs and retain muscle, which I think I did pretty well at. Could probably still drop another 10lbs.

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[i_SLAM_cougars]

I usually just cruise on 250mg of test and do alright. Next time I’ll probably lower the test (or not) and add in some primo around 300mg

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I just go back to my TRT dose of 80-100mg of test C.

I think at your level of development that 200mg of test C would be plenty to cruise on.

great job on your cut!!

[Windex]

I doubt you'd need more than 200mg Test or 100mg Test + 200mg EQ/Primo with your frame.

Continuing Cutting at your size doesn't really make sense to me.

Someone else's cruise isn't really relevant to your own needs. For example if you copied my HRT cruise you'd either end up bankrupt or very sick or both.

[djnuffsaid]

Thanks deadlift. Yeah I'm pretty sure my T levels would still be above the normal range on 500mg a week so I think I'll drop it to the 200s or so.

I forgot to ask, how long do you guys cruise for before starting up again?

or since I just read Windex post which makes sense

Why do you saying continuing cutting doesn't make sense to you? I think I agree with you but I would like to hear your reasoning's

[Windex]

There's no magical number of weeks to transition from cruise to cycle. In this space you simply cannot give blanket statements everyone is different. You need to use bloodwork and be in tune with your body to recognize when it's smart to transition.

This is how people get trapped because they cut corners and don't do bloodwork to monitor themselves and end up getting burned.

[djnuffsaid]

Ok I understand that but what am I looking for in blood work?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Healthy lipids for several months.
Good blood pressure too.
A healthy liver is always nice.

Cruising at 500mg of test isn't gonna be good for you in the long run IMO.

People tend to think that coming off a cycle for a month or two is all they need health wise.
Hell, a month later at your cycle doses I bet your lipids will still be shitty.

So if you cycle for 3 months and come off for 2 then you will have shitty health for 4 out of 5 months or 80% of the year.
Shit will catch up to all of us sooner or later.

(For the record, I do admit that I am of the less is more crowd. I have never ran a cycle like your last one.)

[djnuffsaid]

Well I have been on BP meds for years which control my BP very well. I guess I'll get a lipid panel and see what it says. How long after this cycle do you think I should wait to do bloods to make sure everything it out of my system? I don't have insurance right now so doing lots of bloods is simply just not possible right now, need to be very selective.

[Gallowmere]

Well I have been on BP meds for years which control my BP very well. I guess I'll get a lipid panel and see what it says. How long after this cycle do you think I should wait to do bloods to make sure everything it out of my system? I don't have insurance right now so doing lots of bloods is simply just not possible right now, need to be very selective.

I pay less in cash for comprehensive bloods than most people do dealing with copay and final billings. Insurance is a joke.

If you’re in the US, privatemdlabs is your friend.

[Windex]

Well I have been on BP meds for years which control my BP very well. I guess I'll get a lipid panel and see what it says. How long after this cycle do you think I should wait to do bloods to make sure everything it out of my system? I don't have insurance right now so doing lots of bloods is simply just not possible right now, need to be very selective.

I always see discount codes for the American private lab companies. If you can't afford bloodwork then that is a big red flag in this lifestyle.

I'm sure if you set up a lemonade stand and wore some daisy dukes you could scrounge up enough cash for bloodwork.

[GearHeaded]

depends on what your goal is during the cruise. just like your cycle plans are based on goals, your cruise can be different every single time based on what your wanting to accomplish .

example
- if you were on a cruise and wanting to bulk. then you could just run 250mg of test and thats it. because you'll be in a big calorie surplus the food is your main 'anabolic ' and you don't need much to cruise on.

- if you were wanting to cut, then you'd probably need more AAS to cruise on. I'd do like 150mg test and 300mg primo. you don't have the anabolic support from food being your in a deficit so you'll need more drugs.


- or , maybe your cruising just to give your body a break from androgens and "re sensitize" your receptors . in that case you may not run any test at all and run something like just 300mg of Eq or Primo.

- or , perhaps your cruising but still wanting to make awesome gains. then you may do a much more advanced cruise like
150mg test
4iu HGH
30iu insulin
25mg MK677
40mcg Clen
75mcg T4

sounds like a lot of drugs but there is no androgen load here. your still basically off cycle being the only androgen is a low dose of test


so again there is no cut and dry cruise protocol, its all situation and goal dependent

[djnuffsaid]

Ok thanks guys

[wavefunction]

Is that gynecomastia or weirdly shaped chest or something?

[m314]

I cruise on 200 mg/week test and 10 mg/day trest. My bloodwork returns to normal levels with these doses. The low dose trest allows me to keep the same quality of life benefits that I get from higher dose trest on blasts.

[< <Samson> >]

Gyno? Your tits look like mine did pre surgery


I cruise on 300mg per week rn

[Nitmare67]

Gyno? Your tits look like mine did pre surgery


I cruise on 300mg per week rn

I noticed that too. Looking pretty puffy to me. I would shit if i looked in the mirror and saw that. Check it out man. Goodluck.

Btw i run 200mg a week of test C. Im 6'3 and 220lbs. Im always 1200+ total T and just over range high on free T.

[teejey]

200mgs a week for me. I've never ran a ton of compounds like that.

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[Cuz]

You do have some gyno , id probably try to drop some bodyfat if i were you and clean up the diet some. Your 233 but i mean you really dont have alot of muscle tissue thats developed again weight means nothing unless you’re at a very high level physique. Not trying to insult you im just giving you no bull shit advice.
If you’re on TRT just cruise on your dose, you’re gonna have to train a little harder to get your muscles popping a little more. Try carb loading and throw in some HIT training.
You shouldnt worry about cycling right now, gyno is going to happen if you stay in this long enough but you need to at least try and stop the progression. Also the way your Chest is shaped doesnt help.

Take a step back and study your body, id say train hard as hell on try for 6 months and re evaluate. Also get your diet in check . Dont worry with cruising on several compounds right now

[Kyle1337]

I am currently going to be cruising on 150-200 test, 150 deca , and 200-300mg primo with 10mg var for 2 months. This to me, is fair since I can lose weight so quick. Once I get more to my frame I'll prob readjust.

Big cycle for me recent was about 15 different drugs.

[wavefunction]

I am currently going to be cruising on 150-200 test, 150 deca , and 200-300mg primo with 10mg var for 2 months. This to me, is fair since I can lose weight so quick. Once I get more to my frame I'll prob readjust.

Big cycle for me recent was about 15 different drugs.

Is that you in your avatar?

[Kyle1337]

Is that you in your avatar?

No, that's is Kevin Lavrone! Goals

[charger69]

I am cruising on 200 test and 200 primo.


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[< <Samson> >]

Although going back on a year long low dose tren /test cycle(cruise, or whatever you wanna call it) sounds great right about now

Since now I can run tren e without my tits poppin


A nice 250-300mg of test + 100-200mg of tren e weekly would do wonders


Too bad it all ends eventually & usually prematurely

[wavefunction]

No, that's is Kevin Lavrone! Goals

Ahh, excuse my ignorance

If it's not too much trouble, can you elaborate on the 15 drugs you were using during your last cycle? Were most of those AAS?

[wavefunction]

The OP's gyno can not be reversed with chemicals, correct?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

The OP's gyno can not be reversed with chemicals, correct?

if it is gyno....

it can possibly be reversed with months of ralox or nolva

[< <Samson> >]

The OP's gyno can not be reversed with chemicals, correct?

Depnds


After years of fightiing mine off, it wouldn't back off with Dex or Ralox any more


Nothing worked, just made the growth a tad more soft when I tried cranking the doses. . . . I laid off the meds for a year, shit grew in hard af

[SampsonandDelilah]

Ahh, excuse my ignorance

If it's not too much trouble, can you elaborate on the 15 drugs you were using during your last cycle? Were most of those AAS?

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[wavefunction]

Depnds


After years of fightiing mine off, it wouldn't back off with Dex or Ralox any more


Nothing worked, just made the growth a tad more soft when I tried cranking the doses. . . . I laid off the meds for a year, shit grew in hard af

How’d you get it in the first place?

[KINGKONG]

Depnds


After years of fightiing mine off, it wouldn't back off with Dex or Ralox any more


Nothing worked, just made the growth a tad more soft when I tried cranking the doses. . . . I laid off the meds for a year, shit grew in hard af

I have some marbles..I’d fight off with Ralox they would Grow smaller and then I’d run another cycle let my hormones get outta wack and it would get bigger again..mine isn’t really noticeable because of my structure they kind of blend in at bottom of chest but I’d love to get surgery..what was it like 5k?insurance cover anything?id like to remove the receptor sites so I just never have to think of gyno again..I have a good idea what the issue was..I have no problem with test but I do with deca or tren In large doses..


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[< <Samson> >]

How’d you get it in the first place?

Well, about 5-6 years back when I was on my 1st tren e run I woke up with what felt like bean behind my right nipple

Ever since then, it was up & down


I’d run a compound, it’d start to ache - I’d run either Dex, Ralox alongside Ai’s until about a year back where it just took off & turned into this - don’t let some growths scare you away from juicing. . . Some guys never get this shit damn near no matter what juice they are on

[GearHeaded]

addressing the OPs original question about cruising..

the main goal of a cruise is to come off of and down regulate androgen and estrogen load. when your blasting your up regulating these things to supraphysiological levels.
so when picking a cruise compound and dosage your going to want to go with something that is very anabolic without being estrogenic or androgenic .
so things like Primo or EQ.

your better off cruising on
300mg primo
125mg test

then you are cruising on say 400+mg of Test only. . the reason is because Test is highly estrogenic and androgenic , which again are the two things you generally want to down regulate for a bit while cruising

[< <Samson> >]

Anyone wanna spot me some Primo $, I’ll cruise that shit all year


Unfortunately, most(including me) take lower cost routes

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Been cruising on
250mg test
and 400mg of Primo

Only really costs like $115 a month

but, $100 of that is the primo. I suppose you could substitute nandrolone for a fraction of the price

[wavefunction]

Well, about 5-6 years back when I was on my 1st tren e run I woke up with what felt like bean behind my right nipple

Ever since then, it was up & down


I’d run a compound, it’d start to ache - I’d run either Dex, Ralox alongside Ai’s until about a year back where it just took off & turned into this - don’t let some growths scare you away from juicing. . . Some guys never get this shit damn near no matter what juice they are on

Ahh shit, I'm on my first tren e run now and recently had a nightmare where I've grown bitch tits, woke up in cold sweat, can't stop touching my chest all day long since then. Pretty stressful, the gyno paranoia...

[< <Samson> >]

Ahh shit, I'm on my first tren e run now and recently had a nightmare where I've grown bitch tits, woke up in cold sweat, can't stop touching my chest all day long since then. Pretty stressful, the gyno paranoia...

Yeah, that’s how mine went

I seen my MD, he said there was nothing there - so, I knew exactly what to feel for

POS sprouted over night. . . But, like I said - it’s hit or miss. I think it had something to do with the adipose that I had since I was very young. The guy’s that I personally know that run the same gear & have no known issues at all were never fat & had no tit residual adipose tissue like I did

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Ahh shit, I'm on my first tren e run now and recently had a nightmare where I've grown bitch tits, woke up in cold sweat, can't stop touching my chest all day long since then. Pretty stressful, the gyno paranoia...

have you cycled before?

why the need for tren ?

is that you in the avi?

[Windex]

Anyone wanna spot me some Primo $, I’ll cruise that shit all year


Unfortunately, most(including me) take lower cost routes

EQ is a budget alternative. 200-300mg/day

Could also do Anavar @ 15-20mg/day

[GearHeaded]

EQ is a budget alternative. 200-300mg/day

Could also do Anavar @ 15-20mg/day

Anavar is a valid option as well


like Samson mentioned,, primo all year if you can afford it would be awesome. deca has its purpose all year as well

heck don't even cycle or blast at all . just pay the big bucks and cruise on HGH, primo, Deca, Var year round and your good to go