Your recommendation for a first cycle?

So I'm a classic ecto (yes I'm understanding that lots of people on here don't believe ectos exist), 5'11.5 165 probably a real 10% bodyfat (not that bs nfl pod crap that says dudes are 2.6%). My celeb body lookalike would probably be like justin theroux.

I lift fairly heavy, cardio is a bit meh as I have angina issues.

I've always had crazy strength gains but never the weight gains to go along with it. I could go from benching 160 to 230 in 5 months and eat like a lineman, and gain almost no muscle. I just have one of those justin bieber type genetics... very little facial hair, no muscular growth, etc (I'm not actually bieber feminine but maybe james franco or something).

I just really want to get to a solid 180 of lean ass muscle. I'm not trying to get crazy complex with managing like 3 aas' and increasing my side-effect risks. I'd prefer to just stick to one aas and properly do the ancillary meds to keep me from growing tits and having bad depression etc.

I do actually want to use hgh or peptides as well (probably hgh) as I have some health issues and would love the repairing effects of hgh, but can't be spending 10's of K's a year on gear right now as I've got a lot of my money tied up in illiquid ventures.

I've read the first cycle sticky and it says test e, hcg, pct etc but I'm wondering what gave you all good results and was safe.

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Originally Posted by TheGypsyKing

So I'm a classic ecto (yes I'm understanding that lots of people on here don't believe ectos exist), 5'11.5 165 probably a real 10% bodyfat (not that bs nfl pod crap that says dudes are 2.6%). My celeb body lookalike would probably be like justin theroux.

I lift fairly heavy, cardio is a bit meh as I have angina issues.

I've always had crazy strength gains but never the weight gains to go along with it. I could go from benching 160 to 230 in 5 months and eat like a lineman, and gain almost no muscle. I just have one of those justin bieber type genetics... very little facial hair, no muscular growth, etc (I'm not actually bieber feminine but maybe james franco or something).

I just really want to get to a solid 180 of lean ass muscle. I'm not trying to get crazy complex with managing like 3 aas' and increasing my side-effect risks. I'd prefer to just stick to one aas and properly do the ancillary meds to keep me from growing tits and having bad depression etc.

I do actually want to use hgh or peptides as well (probably hgh) as I have some health issues and would love the repairing effects of hgh, but can't be spending 10's of K's a year on gear right now as I've got a lot of my money tied up in illiquid ventures.

I've read the first cycle sticky and it says test e, hcg, pct etc but I'm wondering what gave you all good results and was safe.

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600mg Test E for 16 weeks, 30 dbol for the last 7, and lifting heavy shit took me from 175 to 195 at 5’10”. Held that for about nine months, now using test/deca/mast/dbol to work up again.
As for PCT, I have no input. I’m a TRT patient, so I don’t have to worry about that shit.

Unpopular Opinion: If you are struggling to gain weight now, steroids are not going to help you.

If I had a nickel for every time someone posts something to the effect of "yeah I'm eating enough" I'd be retired now instead of semi retired.

I gaurentee you are not eating as much as you think. you do. Post what you ate each day in the last 2-3 days

you've been here for over a year .. you've posted like 20 threads asking this same exact question over the year. you still have not figured out a basic first cycle to run :)

Lol wow.

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Originally Posted by Windex

Unpopular Opinion: If you are struggling to gain weight now, steroids are not going to help you.

If I had a nickel for every time someone posts something to the effect of "yeah I'm eating enough" I'd be retired now instead of semi retired.

I gaurentee you are not eating as much as you think. you do. Post what you ate each day in the last 2-3 days

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Ohhh, yeah forgot to mention this part with my first cycle post.
I had to go from eating 3400 kcals to maintain my 175 to 4200/day pushing up to 195 over that time. I basically just followed the Efferding rule of eat until you stall for a few days, then eat more going forward. I also track my food obsessively, so I know exactly what I’m putting into myself, not guessing and using hunger cues.
Unfortunately, at my current 206 on cycle, I’m closer to 4500 and still stalled. Thems the breaks my friend. When you have trouble getting bigger, the fork is a more important tool than the syringe.

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Originally Posted by Gallowmere

Ohhh, yeah forgot to mention this part with my first cycle post.
I had to go from eating 3400 kcals to maintain my 175 to 4200/day pushing up to 195 over that time. I basically just followed the Efferding rule of eat until you stall for a few days, then eat more going forward. I also track my food obsessively, so I know exactly what I’m putting into myself, not guessing and using hunger cues.
Unfortunately, at my current 206 on cycle, I’m closer to 4500 and still stalled. Thems the breaks my friend. When you have trouble getting bigger, the fork is a more important tool than the syringe.

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Holy crap! I eat between 2800 and 3200 a day and I was 215 between cycles.
I have a tough time pushing that down too... I remember eating as much as you have to at one point but I don't know if I could fit it all in now days!
Good job on staying disciplined!

Edit: Totally forgot about height difference and the role that plays... Either way it still speaks to your discipline and work ethic to get to your size.

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Originally Posted by Thors_Hammer

Holy crap! I eat between 2800 and 3200 a day and I was 215 between cycles.
I have a tough time pushing that down too... I remember eating as much as you have to at one point but I don't know if I could fit it all in now days!
Good job on staying disciplined!

Edit: Totally forgot about height difference and the role that plays... Either way it still speaks to your discipline and work ethic to get to your size.

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Oh it fucking sucks. I’m dreading needing to increase again to get moving. My brain has gotten really good at resisting weight gain, by making me move like a crackhead as I overfeed. It’s made amusing by the fact that I was once morbidly obese and dealt with “damaged metabolism” from the weight loss for about a year. After that, I was back to baseline, and well, here I am now, and fuck.

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Originally Posted by GearHeaded

you've been here for over a year .. you've posted like 20 threads asking this same exact question over the year. you still have not figured out a basic first cycle to run :)

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Lmao