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    Quote Originally Posted by andrea311 View Post
    But we're talking about 1st cycle here Don't you think a 1st cycle should be test only in order to see how the body reacts to just one compound?
    100mg of Test is a therapeutic dose, there's no reaction to take place. The above outlined cycles are only using 1 compound
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    The reality is people are too stupid to run 500mg Test cycles. The UGLs are raking in the cash from people's stupidity. [not specifically talking about the OP]

    - Oh I washed my chest too rough in the shower, now my nipples are sore - must have gotten gyno. Time to gulp down an AI

    - Oh my cycle produced mediocre gains I didn't turn into Ronnie from Test + AI. Guess i'll have to buy a lot more testosterone and try again after I spent $200 on PCT.

    - My ass is sore because I used a 20G 1.5" needle in a virgin muscle group. Clearly I now have an abcess that's septic - better rush to the ER.

    - A bit of blood came out after my injection. I must have spliced a nerve ending and injected right into my vein. Should I go to the ER?

    - I gained 20 lbs in 12 weeks, do you guys think it might have been some water weight or pure muscle ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrea311 View Post
    But we're talking about 1st cycle here Don't you think a 1st cycle should be test only in order to see how the body reacts to just one compound?
    You only need to know how the body reacts to high test if you’re going to utilize high test.

    100mg of a long ester is just replacement for natural production that will be shut down by the other AAS. So if someone is that terrified of estrogen, run that TRT dose, and then use one non-aromatizing compound at a time a find out what each one does for you. A 500mg test only cycle is pointless for anyone who doesn’t plan on using 500mg at any point.

    They’re better served by some of the protocols you quoted from Windex. Estrogen isn’t the devil, but if it makes someone that paranoid, just avoid the whole mindfuck from jump and go with something else for the bulk of your anabolic load.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wavefunction View Post
    Guys, would you be taking Cabergoline with this:

    No, cabergoline is not necessary.
    Masteron take care of it.



    In a simple search you can see this ability that masteron has:


    Masteron (Drostanolone propionate )
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    Drostanolone propionate, through its active form, drostanolone, interacts with RA and activates a cascade of genetic changes, including increased protein synthesis (anabolism) and decreased amino acid degradation (catabolism). It also induces a reduction or inhibition of prolactin or estrogen receptors in the breasts, which is associated with its anti-tumor effects. [8]


    Masteron has the ability to inhibit prolactin at prolactin receptors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davimeireles View Post
    No, cabergoline is not necessary.
    Masteron take care of it.



    In a simple search you can see this ability that masteron has:


    Masteron (Drostanolone propionate )
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Drostanolone propionate, through its active form, drostanolone, interacts with RA and activates a cascade of genetic changes, including increased protein synthesis (anabolism) and decreased amino acid degradation (catabolism). It also induces a reduction or inhibition of prolactin or estrogen receptors in the breasts, which is associated with its anti-tumor effects. [8]


    Masteron has the ability to inhibit prolactin at prolactin receptors.
    Ahh, right. I thought masteron only helps with oestrogen issues from testosterone . Good to know it handles prolactin as well. Live and learn...

    ...I just popped a cabergoline pill like half a minute before reading your post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    The reality is people are too stupid to run 500mg Test cycles. The UGLs are raking in the cash from people's stupidity. [not specifically talking about the OP]

    - Oh I washed my chest too rough in the shower, now my nipples are sore - must have gotten gyno. Time to gulp down an AI

    - Oh my cycle produced mediocre gains I didn't turn into Ronnie from Test + AI. Guess i'll have to buy a lot more testosterone and try again after I spent $200 on PCT.

    - My ass is sore because I used a 20G 1.5" needle in a virgin muscle group. Clearly I now have an abcess that's septic - better rush to the ER.

    - A bit of blood came out after my injection. I must have spliced a nerve ending and injected right into my vein. Should I go to the ER?

    - I gained 20 lbs in 12 weeks, do you guys think it might have been some water weight or pure muscle ?
    Think of the Emails the UGL's get...
    Fuck...


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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG View Post
    Think of the Emails the UGL's get...
    Fuck...

    Me writing one of them, 1st cycle - before doing lotts of reading, I asked my 1st ugl guy - guy recommended more gear than what I run now on what I’d consider a heavy cycle


    I mean - sales & not knowing better < Unbiased info is difficult to find, let alone we find new info by the year
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    The reality is people are too stupid to run 500mg Test cycles. The UGLs are raking in the cash from people's stupidity. [not specifically talking about the OP]

    - Oh I washed my chest too rough in the shower, now my nipples are sore - must have gotten gyno. Time to gulp down an AI

    - Oh my cycle produced mediocre gains I didn't turn into Ronnie from Test + AI. Guess i'll have to buy a lot more testosterone and try again after I spent $200 on PCT.

    - My ass is sore because I used a 20G 1.5" needle in a virgin muscle group. Clearly I now have an abcess that's septic - better rush to the ER.

    - A bit of blood came out after my injection. I must have spliced a nerve ending and injected right into my vein. Should I go to the ER?

    - I gained 20 lbs in 12 weeks, do you guys think it might have been some water weight or pure muscle ?
    If running a 500mg test first cycle is SO wrong, why is it recommended in this very forum, by a senior member? https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html

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    Anyway, I got the results today:

    - Testosterone, Total: 34,40 ng/ml (reference value should be < 50 aa. 2,40-8,71)

    - Testosterone, Free: >150 pg/ml (reference value should be 15.00 - 50.00)

    - Estradiol E2: <10 pg/ml (reference value should be 11.00 - 44.00)

    They are all flagged because out of range. What should I do with my dose of AI based on these results? (Remember that I've been taking Arimidex 0.25 mg EOD so far and I'm through week 2).

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    Well I think if you just started this cycle 2 weeks ago, then your testosterone and estrogen have not yet reached their cruising altitude. It's my opinion and other's that if using an AI, start it after a couple weeks on cycle, especially at just 500 mg/week. You will only reach maximum blood levels of test around week 5-6, so starting with an AI will just crash your estrogen, as it did to you (though it could be worse). Maybe do .25 mg 2x a week for now. I never went over that, but I'm no expert.
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    AI on cycle or not? Personal experiences

    Quote Originally Posted by < > View Post
    Me writing one of them, 1st cycle - before doing lotts of reading, I asked my 1st ugl guy - guy recommended more gear than what I run now on what I’d consider a heavy cycle


    I mean - sales & not knowing better < Unbiased info is difficult to find, let alone we find new info by the year
    We all make mistakes starting out..
    Asking the salesman what and how much to take was one of mine, as well..you live and learn..find out how to read people..I can spot a fake generally and take his wisdom with a extra grain of salt..
    Btw gents, I still love 500 mg of test..it does whatever I need it too, diet pertaining..I get very little sides and feel great but, totally agree you could get similar results with low dose test and say a primo or eq, etc..probably a dryer look too..keep in mind this is protocol I was fed from my first days on here...this forum, advances in protocols and knowledge of AAS has came a long way..


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