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    AI on cycle or not? Personal experiences

    What are your experiences? Do you always use an AI during your cycle? Some studies show that it's sometimes counterproductive and should be taken only if necessary.
    Some people report feeling rough starting from the very first weeks of cycle and after dropping the AI they started to feel great.

    I understand that if you also inject HCG , HCG should always be used with an aromatase inhibitor. But let's say in a 500 mg/week Testosterone only cycle, do you still use an AI all along your cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    No to poison.
    Do you mind to elaborate on that?

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    I am one of those who started with an AI on my 600mg cycle (12.5 aromasin eod in my case), felt like shit, dropped it and improved.
    I am also a low aromatizer by nature though, and even without the AI, only hit high 60s on said 600mg cycle.
    So yeah, never again.
    I donít plan on pushing huge amounts of test, as there are just better AAS to build cycles around, so if Iím good with no AI at 600, the 300-500 Iíll be using as a base from here on is just fine.

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    All this new Ai talk & my current boredom =



    I ran an Ai since day 2 - from reading the current preaching at the moment on here about 7-8 years ago


    So, personally - I still see it as a positive when running high doses of gear - I just dont see how you can run a gram+ of test a week without an Ai


    Only Ai that I used was aromasin - aside from when I really went crazy with my doses & ran a tiny bit of letro to try to combat estrogen sides



    Now - I run 1/3rd of my old doses of gear, without an Ai - and I still get just about the same results as before

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    AIs are garbage junk sold by drug dealers cause thats where the profit margins are highest and why AI's are touted all over the internet..
    learn how to properly stack and cycle gear and you will never need an AI
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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    So, personally - I still see it as a positive when running high doses of gear - I just dont see how you can run a gram+ of test a week without an Ai
    I've ran 2000mg of test and 50mg of dbol . no AI needed.. up regulating estrogen as high as possible is no different then up regulating testosterone as high as possible if your goal is to put on tons of mass and muscle.
    taking an AI to limit estrogen, while taking drugs that increase your estrogen , is like purposely taking a drug that limits your testosterone while your purposely taking testosterone to get high test levels . it defeats the purpose and makes no sense

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    gyno issues and estrogen sensitivity issues are genetic.. most the time in guys with this genetic condition, they are actually 'testosterone ' sensitive and have a genetic gene that makes testoerone bind to progestin receptors instead of androgen receptors

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    So let's say last week I injected 1.1g of test e, 800mg of tren e, 600mg of mast e and now took 30mg of dbol pre-workout. Don't you think it'd be a good idea to pop some arimidex and cabergoline just to be on the safer side?
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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    All this new Ai talk & my current boredom =



    I ran an Ai since day 2 - from reading the current preaching at the moment on here about 7-8 years ago


    So, personally - I still see it as a positive when running high doses of gear - I just dont see how you can run a gram+ of test a week without an Ai


    Only Ai that I used was aromasin - aside from when I really went crazy with my doses & ran a tiny bit of letro to try to combat estrogen sides



    Now - I run 1/3rd of my old doses of gear, without an Ai - and I still get just about the same results as before
    Why did you reply then if you're so bored? LOL
    I'm asking because, as a newbie, I studied as much as possible (and still studying) before running my first cycle and still there's so much contradictory information online, even here on this forum. Someone says something then someone else says the exact opposite. Everyone has their own opinion and that's why I asked for personal experiences.
    Personally, I'm using 0.25 mg Arimidex EOD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrea311 View Post
    ...and still have there's so much contradictory information online, even here on this forum. Someone says something then someone else says the exact opposite.
    I noticed that too. In one thread you read about someone banging grams of test plus dbol with no AI like it’s all good, then in another thread you read about a dude who grew bitch tits from his first 500mg test cycle. Go figure.

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    I’ve been gyno-paranoid ever since I started taking gear six months ago. That includes nightmares at night and not being able to keep my hands off my nipples during the day... Shit’s rough :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by wavefunction View Post
    I noticed that too. In one thread you read about someone banging grams of test plus dbol with no AI like itís all good, then in another thread you read about a dude who grew bitch tits from his first 500mg test cycle. Go figure.
    Thatís because itís just as GH said. Itís a genetic problem. Same reason we see pubertal gyno being a thing in a small subset of teenage males when the puberty hormone dump starts.

    Problematically for you, stress seems to be a pretty strong trigger for it from what Iíve been seeing, so your worrying so much about it makes it likely to crop up if youíre prone, regardless of dose.
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    AI on cycle or not? Personal experiences

    In my youth, Iíve ran multiple grams cycle always with a test base..standard was 1gram test 1gram EQ or deca ..Iíve ran every oral..
    Iíve found when cutting certain foods give me that distended gut and water retention in places I didnít want it..so I avoided those foods and majority of the bloating ..letrzole was big back then..as some of you know itís super toxic..Iíve always read on what I put in my body..I have gone extreme but Iíve maintained excellent health with 20 years of gear..generally I never ran a AI.. had it on hand and always had nolva on hand..only time I got sensitive nips was when I ran deca and tren together at a high dose..now days iam 210, iam smaller.I run baby cycles 200 test 200 tren 100 deca type and then I cruise..I donít use hcg because for me even at lowest doses it gave me bad sides and sore nips..Iíve always knew estrogen facilitates muscle growth and libido, so mostly avoided AI until pct when my hormones would fluctuate terribly..every once in awhile Iíll take a .25 when I can feel my emo self coming on strong(only run bloods once or twice a year if that, Shame On me)..I know my body and everything is always where it needs to be ...when I try to take AI more or frequently..I kill my estrogen and have no libido..not a fan of the sides either..I can be dry and clean without a AI.its all in MY diet and sodium and water manipulation..

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    Quote Originally Posted by wavefunction View Post
    I’ve been gyno-paranoid ever since I started taking gear six months ago. That includes nightmares at night and not being able to keep my hands off my nipples during the day... Shit’s rough :/
    I'm basically spending my days with my hands on my nipples as well mate! So are you using an AI? What dosage and what cycle?

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    AI on cycle or not? Personal experiences

    Quote Originally Posted by wavefunction View Post
    Iíve been gyno-paranoid ever since I started taking gear six months ago. That includes nightmares at night and not being able to keep my hands off my nipples during the day... Shitís rough :/
    Also the more you touch nips, more you stimulate tissue growth..keep hands off!!lol
    That is if your starting to get lump..
    Youíll feel it, trust me..they donít grow overnight..as soon as sensitive drop 10 mg nolva..you will be fine!

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    Like I said, I speak from my own experience



    Y - cause I'm bored



    Everyone is so dif tho, I seen it all - guys running nothing but tren , nothing but orals - without sides. . . . How?! No idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by < > View Post
    Like I said, I speak from my own experience



    Y - cause I'm bored



    Everyone is so dif tho, I seen it all - guys running nothing but tren, nothing but orals - without sides. . . . How?! No idea
    Thatís exactly it! everyone is unique in reactions to drugs/hormones/whatever
    I run only tren , in 2 weeks I get ED my buddy does it and has 2 girls a day..test doesnít bloat ME carbs do..I think all this discussion is good though..gives ppl a chance to see both sides and go with whatís right for them..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Problematically for you, stress seems to be a pretty strong trigger for it from what I’ve been seeing, so your worrying so much about it makes it likely to crop up if you’re prone, regardless of dose.
    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG View Post
    Also the more you touch nips, more you stimulate tissue growth..keep hands off!!lol
    Ahh goodness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrea311 View Post
    I'm basically spending my days with my hands on my nipples as well mate! So are you using an AI? What dosage and what cycle?
    Lately, only when I inject one too many ccs of test. Like last week I injected just over a gram, so paranoia have been worse than usual. I took 0.5mg of arimidex twice this week. This week I’m keeping things steady: 600mg of test, tren and mast.
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    Guys, would you be taking Cabergoline with this:
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    600mg of test, tren and mast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG View Post
    Thatís exactly it! everyone is unique in reactions to drugs/hormones/whatever
    I run only tren , in 2 weeks I get ED my buddy does it and has 2 girls a day..test doesnít bloat ME carbs do..I think all this discussion is good though..gives ppl a chance to see both sides and go with whatís right for them..


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    That' exactly the point of the discussion mate! I think we can all agree that everybody's different and reacts differently to drugs/hormones. And we can also all agree that everybody needs to experiment on themselves to find out what's good for them. But exchanging opinions, personal experiences and points of view is fundamental too if you want to grow, and not just physically.

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    Never touched one, to each their own though. Never had an issue with estrogen or prolactin sides (knocking on wood). I think if you have that chubby gene or experienced in youth, then it’s a good idea to be more cognizant of it
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    I think if you have that chubby gene or experienced in youth, then it’s a good idea to be more cognizant of it

    Exactly my curent thought


    Something about the fattness in me sparked this shit - The leanest guys seem to have the least estro looking sides - well, aside from mad acne

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    I will get bloods just to test estrogen/AI effectiveness this week (starting week 2 tomorrow) and take it from there. Should I ask just for these 3 right?
    1. Testosterone , Total
    2. Testosterone, Free
    3. Sensitive E2 Assay

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    Easy fix!No AI needed lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG View Post
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    Easy fix!No AI needed lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG View Post
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    Easy fix!No AI needed lol


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    Jesus Christ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG View Post
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    Easy fix!No AI needed lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG View Post
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    Easy fix!No AI needed lol


    “The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates
    That made me nauseous. Hopefully it was some made up sh!t...

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    I know for sure men have done it..read a article In a legit paper one time..I couldnít find it bust today but hoping one of the guys with time might dig it up..
    He had surgical tools and everything lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingkong View Post
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    easy fix!no ai needed lol


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    omfg

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    I am just surprised that how good cycle and cruise is without AI, old school guy here and was using buttloads of AI (yeah gyno scared) jumping back to the game and listening to guys here especially GearHead I stopped AI, trust me it was scary but now one cycle and 2 months cruise without AI I felt that all my adex/arimsin stocks are gonna go to the bin eventually...

    Tell you a secret, without AI I feel awesome, with AI it was so so easy for me to crash my estrogen over and over again and feel shit, I am supposed how many times I crashed my estrogen and still used AI after recovering and repeat over and over again... Felt like AI was must no matter what but that's not true...

    I am 37 now and I felt that too much AI gave me BP issues.... Really AI is not necessary, But my experience is very limited as I only used test whole my life and nothing else so far other then bit of Dbol but not full on.... So for me using buttloads if ai on a bit of test (500) was stupid as jumping off from a plan without a shoot.

    I feel lucky to join the forum back after years to educate myself as after doing 7 cycles I felt like I know everything but with all honesty I knew shit lol

    Would like to say thanks for right directions towards AI usage... Mr GearHead
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    I always use an AI in any cycle I run

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super User 4 View Post
    I always use an AI in any cycle I run
    Any particular reason, or just following guidelines that are based on old, flawed and easily disproven correlative science?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Any particular reason, or just following guidelines that are based on old, flawed and easily disproven correlative science?
    Maybe he's estrogen prone. If he is, then he may be following an 'old protocol' as you said, but sill needs an AI!
    The problem with AI is that in pretty much every protocol you always find a predetermined dose you should take, and that's bs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrea311 View Post
    Maybe he's estrogen prone. If he is, then he may be following an 'old protocol' as you said, but sill needs an AI!
    The problem with AI is that in pretty much every protocol you always find a predetermined dose you should take, and that's bs.
    Thatís why I asked if there was a reason, or he just assumed that he needed one. His post made a statement about use, but left out any details as to why or what his experience was.

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    Easiest way to remove the absurd paranoia is to replace 500mg of Test with:

    100mg Test + 400mg EQ OR
    100mg Test + 400mg Primo OR
    100mg Test + 40mg Anavar

    Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Any particular reason, or just following guidelines that are based on old, flawed and easily disproven correlative science?
    I mainly just use it for my estrogen levels to not go high up, I know there are some people than wanna just go with out it and that's their shit if they end up with gyno

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Easiest way to remove the absurd paranoia is to replace 500mg of Test with:

    100mg Test + 400mg EQ OR
    100mg Test + 400mg Primo OR
    100mg Test + 40mg Anavar

    Problem solved.
    But we're talking about 1st cycle here Don't you think a 1st cycle should be test only in order to see how the body reacts to just one compound?

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