AI on cycle or not? Personal experiences

[andrea311]

What are your experiences? Do you always use an AI during your cycle? Some studies show that it's sometimes counterproductive and should be taken only if necessary.
Some people report feeling rough starting from the very first weeks of cycle and after dropping the AI they started to feel great.

I understand that if you also inject HCG, HCG should always be used with an aromatase inhibitor. But let's say in a 500 mg/week Testosterone only cycle, do you still use an AI all along your cycle?

[Windex]

No to poison.

[andrea311]

No to poison.

Do you mind to elaborate on that?

[Gallowmere]

I am one of those who started with an AI on my 600mg cycle (12.5 aromasin eod in my case), felt like shit, dropped it and improved.
I am also a low aromatizer by nature though, and even without the AI, only hit high 60s on said 600mg cycle.
So yeah, never again.
I don’t plan on pushing huge amounts of test, as there are just better AAS to build cycles around, so if I’m good with no AI at 600, the 300-500 I’ll be using as a base from here on is just fine.

[< <Samson> >]

All this new Ai talk & my current boredom =



I ran an Ai since day 2 - from reading the current preaching at the moment on here about 7-8 years ago


So, personally - I still see it as a positive when running high doses of gear - I just dont see how you can run a gram+ of test a week without an Ai


Only Ai that I used was aromasin - aside from when I really went crazy with my doses & ran a tiny bit of letro to try to combat estrogen sides



Now - I run 1/3rd of my old doses of gear, without an Ai - and I still get just about the same results as before

[GearHeaded]

So, personally - I still see it as a positive when running high doses of gear - I just dont see how you can run a gram+ of test a week without an Ai

I've ran 2000mg of test and 50mg of dbol . no AI needed.. up regulating estrogen as high as possible is no different then up regulating testosterone as high as possible if your goal is to put on tons of mass and muscle.
taking an AI to limit estrogen, while taking drugs that increase your estrogen , is like purposely taking a drug that limits your testosterone while your purposely taking testosterone to get high test levels . it defeats the purpose and makes no sense

[andrea311]

All this new Ai talk & my current boredom =



I ran an Ai since day 2 - from reading the current preaching at the moment on here about 7-8 years ago


So, personally - I still see it as a positive when running high doses of gear - I just dont see how you can run a gram+ of test a week without an Ai


Only Ai that I used was aromasin - aside from when I really went crazy with my doses & ran a tiny bit of letro to try to combat estrogen sides



Now - I run 1/3rd of my old doses of gear, without an Ai - and I still get just about the same results as before

Why did you reply then if you're so bored? LOL
I'm asking because, as a newbie, I studied as much as possible (and still studying) before running my first cycle and still there's so much contradictory information online, even here on this forum. Someone says something then someone else says the exact opposite. Everyone has their own opinion and that's why I asked for personal experiences.
Personally, I'm using 0.25 mg Arimidex EOD.

[wavefunction]

...and still have there's so much contradictory information online, even here on this forum. Someone says something then someone else says the exact opposite.

I noticed that too. In one thread you read about someone banging grams of test plus dbol with no AI like it’s all good, then in another thread you read about a dude who grew bitch tits from his first 500mg test cycle. Go figure.

[wavefunction]

I’ve been gyno-paranoid ever since I started taking gear six months ago. That includes nightmares at night and not being able to keep my hands off my nipples during the day... Shit’s rough :/

[andrea311]

I’ve been gyno-paranoid ever since I started taking gear six months ago. That includes nightmares at night and not being able to keep my hands off my nipples during the day... Shit’s rough :/

I'm basically spending my days with my hands on my nipples as well mate! So are you using an AI? What dosage and what cycle?

[KINGKONG]

I’ve been gyno-paranoid ever since I started taking gear six months ago. That includes nightmares at night and not being able to keep my hands off my nipples during the day... Shit’s rough :/

Also the more you touch nips, more you stimulate tissue growth..keep hands off!!lol
That is if your starting to get lump..
You’ll feel it, trust me..they don’t grow overnight..as soon as sensitive drop 10 mg nolva..you will be fine![emoji6]

“Used to think I knew it all, then got older”

[Gallowmere]

I noticed that too. In one thread you read about someone banging grams of test plus dbol with no AI like it’s all good, then in another thread you read about a dude who grew bitch tits from his first 500mg test cycle. Go figure.

That’s because it’s just as GH said. It’s a genetic problem. Same reason we see pubertal gyno being a thing in a small subset of teenage males when the puberty hormone dump starts.

Problematically for you, stress seems to be a pretty strong trigger for it from what I’ve been seeing, so your worrying so much about it makes it likely to crop up if you’re prone, regardless of dose.

[GearHeaded]

AIs are garbage junk sold by drug dealers cause thats where the profit margins are highest and why AI's are touted all over the internet..
learn how to properly stack and cycle gear and you will never need an AI

[GearHeaded]

gyno issues and estrogen sensitivity issues are genetic.. most the time in guys with this genetic condition, they are actually 'testosterone' sensitive and have a genetic gene that makes testoerone bind to progestin receptors instead of androgen receptors

[wavefunction]

So let's say last week I injected 1.1g of test e, 800mg of tren e, 600mg of mast e and now took 30mg of dbol pre-workout. Don't you think it'd be a good idea to pop some arimidex and cabergoline just to be on the safer side?

[KINGKONG]

In my youth, I’ve ran multiple grams cycle always with a test base..standard was 1gram test 1gram EQ or deca..I’ve ran every oral..
I’ve found when cutting certain foods give me that distended gut and water retention in places I didn’t want it..so I avoided those foods and majority of the bloating ..letrzole was big back then..as some of you know it’s super toxic..I’ve always read on what I put in my body..I have gone extreme but I’ve maintained excellent health with 20 years of gear..generally I never ran a AI.. had it on hand and always had nolva on hand..only time I got sensitive nips was when I ran deca and tren together at a high dose..now days iam 210, iam smaller.I run baby cycles 200 test 200 tren 100 deca type and then I cruise..I don’t use hcg because for me even at lowest doses it gave me bad sides and sore nips..I’ve always knew estrogen facilitates muscle growth and libido, so mostly avoided AI until pct when my hormones would fluctuate terribly..every once in awhile I’ll take a .25 when I can feel my emo self coming on strong(only run bloods once or twice a year if that, Shame On me)..I know my body and everything is always where it needs to be ...when I try to take AI more or frequently..I kill my estrogen and have no libido..not a fan of the sides either..I can be dry and clean without a AI.its all in MY diet and sodium and water manipulation..

“Used to think I knew it all, then got older”

[< <Samson> >]

Like I said, I speak from my own experience



Y - cause I'm bored



Everyone is so dif tho, I seen it all - guys running nothing but tren, nothing but orals - without sides. . . . How?! No idea

[KINGKONG]

Like I said, I speak from my own experience



Y - cause I'm bored



Everyone is so dif tho, I seen it all - guys running nothing but tren, nothing but orals - without sides. . . . How?! No idea

That’s exactly it! everyone is unique in reactions to drugs/hormones/whatever
I run only tren, in 2 weeks I get ED my buddy does it and has 2 girls a day..test doesn’t bloat ME carbs do..I think all this discussion is good though..gives ppl a chance to see both sides and go with what’s right for them..


“Used to think I knew it all, then got older”

[andrea311]

That’s exactly it! everyone is unique in reactions to drugs/hormones/whatever
I run only tren, in 2 weeks I get ED my buddy does it and has 2 girls a day..test doesn’t bloat ME carbs do..I think all this discussion is good though..gives ppl a chance to see both sides and go with what’s right for them..


“Used to think I knew it all, then got older”

That' exactly the point of the discussion mate! I think we can all agree that everybody's different and reacts differently to drugs/hormones. And we can also all agree that everybody needs to experiment on themselves to find out what's good for them. But exchanging opinions, personal experiences and points of view is fundamental too if you want to grow, and not just physically.

[andrea311]

I will get bloods just to test estrogen/AI effectiveness this week (starting week 2 tomorrow) and take it from there. Should I ask just for these 3 right?
1. Testosterone, Total
2. Testosterone, Free
3. Sensitive E2 Assay

[SampsonandDelilah]

Never touched one, to each their own though. Never had an issue with estrogen or prolactin sides (knocking on wood). I think if you have that chubby gene or experienced in youth, then it’s a good idea to be more cognizant of it

[< <Samson> >]

I think if you have that chubby gene or experienced in youth, then it’s a good idea to be more cognizant of it

Exactly my curent thought


Something about the fattness in me sparked this shit - The leanest guys seem to have the least estro looking sides - well, aside from mad acne

[KINGKONG]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/commen...tent=post_body


Easy fix!No AI needed lol


“The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates

[wavefunction]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/commen...tent=post_body


Easy fix!No AI needed lol


“The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates

[andrea311]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/commen...tent=post_body


Easy fix!No AI needed lol


“The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates

Jesus Christ...

[Gallowmere]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/commen...tent=post_body


Easy fix!No AI needed lol


“The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates

The only thing more dangerous than stupidity, is stupidity paired with determination.

[< <Samson> >]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/commen...tent=post_body


easy fix!no ai needed lol


“the only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” socrates

omfg

[KINGKONG]

I know for sure men have done it..read a article In a legit paper one time..I couldn’t find it bust today but hoping one of the guys with time might dig it up..
He had surgical tools and everything lol


“The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates

[Dgs59]

I am just surprised that how good cycle and cruise is without AI, old school guy here and was using buttloads of AI (yeah gyno scared) jumping back to the game and listening to guys here especially GearHead I stopped AI, trust me it was scary but now one cycle and 2 months cruise without AI I felt that all my adex/arimsin stocks are gonna go to the bin eventually...

Tell you a secret, without AI I feel awesome, with AI it was so so easy for me to crash my estrogen over and over again and feel shit, I am supposed how many times I crashed my estrogen and still used AI after recovering and repeat over and over again... Felt like AI was must no matter what but that's not true...

I am 37 now and I felt that too much AI gave me BP issues.... Really AI is not necessary, But my experience is very limited as I only used test whole my life and nothing else so far other then bit of Dbol but not full on.... So for me using buttloads if ai on a bit of test (500) was stupid as jumping off from a plan without a shoot.

I feel lucky to join the forum back after years to educate myself as after doing 7 cycles I felt like I know everything but with all honesty I knew shit lol

Would like to say thanks for right directions towards AI usage... Mr GearHead

[Super User 4]

I always use an AI in any cycle I run

[Gallowmere]

I always use an AI in any cycle I run

Any particular reason, or just following guidelines that are based on old, flawed and easily disproven correlative science?

[andrea311]

Any particular reason, or just following guidelines that are based on old, flawed and easily disproven correlative science?

Maybe he's estrogen prone. If he is, then he may be following an 'old protocol' as you said, but sill needs an AI!
The problem with AI is that in pretty much every protocol you always find a predetermined dose you should take, and that's bs.

[Gallowmere]

Maybe he's estrogen prone. If he is, then he may be following an 'old protocol' as you said, but sill needs an AI!
The problem with AI is that in pretty much every protocol you always find a predetermined dose you should take, and that's bs.

That’s why I asked if there was a reason, or he just assumed that he needed one. His post made a statement about use, but left out any details as to why or what his experience was.

[Super User 4]

Any particular reason, or just following guidelines that are based on old, flawed and easily disproven correlative science?

I mainly just use it for my estrogen levels to not go high up, I know there are some people than wanna just go with out it and that's their shit if they end up with gyno

[Windex]

Easiest way to remove the absurd paranoia is to replace 500mg of Test with:

100mg Test + 400mg EQ OR
100mg Test + 400mg Primo OR
100mg Test + 40mg Anavar

Problem solved.

[andrea311]

Easiest way to remove the absurd paranoia is to replace 500mg of Test with:

100mg Test + 400mg EQ OR
100mg Test + 400mg Primo OR
100mg Test + 40mg Anavar

Problem solved.

But we're talking about 1st cycle here Don't you think a 1st cycle should be test only in order to see how the body reacts to just one compound?

[Windex]

But we're talking about 1st cycle here Don't you think a 1st cycle should be test only in order to see how the body reacts to just one compound?

100mg of Test is a therapeutic dose, there's no reaction to take place. The above outlined cycles are only using 1 compound

[Windex]

The reality is people are too stupid to run 500mg Test cycles. The UGLs are raking in the cash from people's stupidity. [not specifically talking about the OP]

- Oh I washed my chest too rough in the shower, now my nipples are sore - must have gotten gyno. Time to gulp down an AI

- Oh my cycle produced mediocre gains I didn't turn into Ronnie from Test + AI. Guess i'll have to buy a lot more testosterone and try again after I spent $200 on PCT.

- My ass is sore because I used a 20G 1.5" needle in a virgin muscle group. Clearly I now have an abcess that's septic - better rush to the ER.

- A bit of blood came out after my injection. I must have spliced a nerve ending and injected right into my vein. Should I go to the ER?

- I gained 20 lbs in 12 weeks, do you guys think it might have been some water weight or pure muscle ?

[KINGKONG]

The reality is people are too stupid to run 500mg Test cycles. The UGLs are raking in the cash from people's stupidity. [not specifically talking about the OP]

- Oh I washed my chest too rough in the shower, now my nipples are sore - must have gotten gyno. Time to gulp down an AI

- Oh my cycle produced mediocre gains I didn't turn into Ronnie from Test + AI. Guess i'll have to buy a lot more testosterone and try again after I spent $200 on PCT.

- My ass is sore because I used a 20G 1.5" needle in a virgin muscle group. Clearly I now have an abcess that's septic - better rush to the ER.

- A bit of blood came out after my injection. I must have spliced a nerve ending and injected right into my vein. Should I go to the ER?

- I gained 20 lbs in 12 weeks, do you guys think it might have been some water weight or pure muscle ?

Think of the Emails the UGL's get...
Fuck...


“The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates

[< <Samson> >]

Think of the Emails the UGL's get...
Fuck...

Me writing one of them, 1st cycle - before doing lotts of reading, I asked my 1st ugl guy - guy recommended more gear than what I run now on what I’d consider a heavy cycle


I mean - sales & not knowing better < Unbiased info is difficult to find, let alone we find new info by the year