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02-13-2020, 05:32 PM #41New Member
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Cruise help
Gear Head, I'm a 55 year old male that has been blasting and cruising probably for far too long without really knowing that's what I was doing. Is there a need to do PCT and allow all my hormones to neutralize before starting 150 mg or Test E and 300 mg of Primo? Or will the cruise cycle allow my body to better get where it needs to be? Right now I am on 500 mg Test E and 300mg Tren E and 250mg of HCG 3 days a week. I was also taking 50mg of Anadrol the first 4 weeks. 6 weeks on this cycle.
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02-13-2020, 08:14 PM #42
Gear may better answer this question for you but I'll give you my version. We know that there is a period after a couple of months on a cycle where our bodies stop responding to the steroids the same way, and eventually plateau. It used to be said that the "receptors" become overstimulated and desensitized over time. You've probably heard of the myostatin inhibitor. It is a protein that is created by the body to basically stop the overproduction of skeletal muscle tissue. It is possible that the body is creating such proteins, hormones, and maybe sending other signals to slow the growth of muscle during a cycle, otherwise we would grow until we died. I say all that because I think that in order for you to get the best out of your next cycle, it might be a good idea to go back to a TRT level for a couple of months. It will also be healthy for you, especially as tren is a rough one from all accounts, and your cholesterol is probably jacked.
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02-14-2020, 03:47 PM #43New Member
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So are you saying 150mg to 200mg a week of Test E? I’m ok with that if it’s the best way to go.
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02-14-2020, 04:29 PM #44Banned- for my own actions
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02-15-2020, 01:16 PM #46
250mg test e weekly. Keeping it simple as I’m new to this. Oh, and 30mg dbol preworkout which I think I should stop taking.
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02-15-2020, 01:31 PM #47
Naturally men produce what, 50 mgs of testosterone per week? Yet everyone seems to be injecting hundreds of mgs as a replacement therapy : D
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^ pretty much
My natural test was in the mid 300’s when I was in my late 20’s before I even knew what working out or juice even was
MD said it was normal
I started working out & within a year got it pulled again, it was in the mid/high 400’s
Now - I fee best at right about 1k total test - no ai
Now I added dBol & ProV at 25mg of ea
Shit, I feel better than I ever did
I’m thinking of adding 100mg a week of tren e when I pull the dBol
Not having throbbing bitch tits rocks
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02-15-2020, 03:03 PM #49
Tren as trt - I just have to try that.
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02-15-2020, 03:06 PM #50
Most of members of this forum are insane imo. In a good way
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Not really
Just becoming more truthful, I suppose
Talk to some semi/real pros that actually say what they’re on - it’ll make your head spin < in most cases
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02-16-2020, 06:17 AM #52Banned- for my own actions
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Just as there’s a “look”
that gives AAS use away, There’s a look that gives Tren use away
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02-23-2020, 04:52 AM #54Banned- for my own actions
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I’d say 300-500mg of EQ would be fine for a cruise
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03-14-2020, 04:44 PM #55
I've been on 125mg to 250mg of test cyp EOW since I was 30yo, I'm 42 now. I occasionally threw in other products to get that extra lean look or bulk up little. Endocrinologist prescribed me test when I was 30 and she explained men need this hormone or your body breaks down as we age. This is a doctor dose I'm on and it's been great. I always feel normal and good about myself.
Now I started 5IU hgh every day which I'll take out 2 years at least. I've also read you can run primo long term in medical doses. So April 1st I'll start 200mg primo a week and maybe get to a point I back off to 100mg a week so I can go even longer. Of course I'll monitor myself and if something does not feel right I'll get looked at but I get yearly physical which helps to monitor myself.
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03-17-2020, 06:24 AM #56Staff ~ HRT Optimization Specialist
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New Cruise
Weekly :
450mg Primo
150mg Test
100mg Deca Durabolin
1500IU HCG
Daily :
3IU HGH
20mg Cardarine
25mg MK677
20mg Anavar
100mcg T4
50mg DHEAI no longer check my inbox. If you PM me I will not reply.
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03-17-2020, 10:39 AM #57
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03-17-2020, 10:53 AM #58
I really need to step my cruise game up.
Primo is like having another monthly vehicle payment tho lol
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03-17-2020, 01:44 PM #61Staff ~ HRT Optimization Specialist
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03-18-2020, 09:02 AM #63
195mg test e per week does me well!
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Dropped MK for the first time since started and upped Cardarine to 30mg/week.
Added 150mg/EQ.
Curious to see how it plays out.I no longer check my inbox. If you PM me I will not reply.
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05-16-2020, 07:21 AM #67Banned- for my own actions
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Changed mine around a bit to.
Test - 200mg/week
Primo - 400mg/week
HCG - 500iu/week
MK677 - 25mg/night
Insulin - 20iu/day
Dropped Deca for awhile. Between deca and Tren my prolactin levels were starting to get high. Couldn’t tell you what they were, but everytime it happens the skin in my arm pits and around my hips starts to get noticeably darker. Anyone else get that?
Anyway, as cruises go this one suits me very well. Joints notice the removal of deca pretty quick, but what’re you gonna do?
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05-16-2020, 11:35 AM #68
Been following this since it’s OP. Wanting to build a solid cruise stack.. Was really digging the idea of primo alongside my TRT with either low var or deca . Then the bicep tear. Then covid19. Then my rig stacks. Then gyms shut down.
Guess I’m going straight in to a blast. Recomp for summer after these shit last few months, or stay on the gain train. Why can’t we have both?
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If I add nandrolone back in, it will either be in the form of NPP, or run alongside Masteron as I never get these issues with mast on board
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05-16-2020, 09:35 PM #72
This is ballpark what I was leaning towards, minus the proviron .
Feel good? Look good? All of the above?
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05-17-2020, 06:02 AM #73
Yes, feel really good. Prolly don't look as lean as last summer while running tren , but just had to take a break from tren side effects. Couldn't sleep, sweat all night long....etc. The Proviron gives me a little more hardness look, plus helps with the libido. The Proviron also has the added benefit of possibly stopping some aromatazation since I am no longer running an AI.
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05-17-2020, 07:29 AM #74New Member
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For those of you running a cruise with primo + test. If you were to have your test levels ran by your doc, does the primo elevate that reading at all? Or, is it a totally separate compound that would not effect your total t / free t reading?
Just curious as I know many on here are on prescribed HRT, so just wondering primos impact on those numbers when they pull them
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No, primo won’t affect your testosterone numbers at all. Depending on the kind of test it is, nandrolone can however.
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Ok thanks. Currently in a bit of a pinch as my test levels came in really high after my last blast (500mg test), even after giving myself 6 weeks back at my normal HRT dose. Doc freaked out and wants to test my levels again in 3 weeks. I had literally just added primo to my cruise though as this happened, so I wasn’t sure if I should drop it all together to get my total / free t levels back in a “normal” range so I don’t put HRT prescription at risk
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Prescribed dose is 120mg test cyp. That typically puts me right at 850-900 (prior to me running a cycle anyways). My numbers on Thursday came in as follows (6 week after my 500mg test blast ended).
Total test: 1,351 <range of 264-916>
Estrogen: 69.8 <range of 7-42>
PSA: 8.1 <range of 0-4>
I was really shocked to see my total T that high still and really shocked to see my PSA at an 8 (typically is 1.1-1.3)
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What’s your injection protocol? And when did you get tested vs your last injection?
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