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    Whatís your ultimate cruise or HRT?

    Everyone always talks cycles and blasts, and yeah thatís a lot of fun obviously. I love being on a fuck ton of gear, but obviously we have to slow down and maintain at some point or take breaks (except OBS, but heís not human).

    When it comes to cruising up until recently I was a 250mg/wk test kind of guy. Seems a lot of us go that way. And it kind of sucks. Then Iíve noticed a lot of guys (particularly the older guys) had some pretty intricate cruises, or HRT routines. At some point GearHeaded brought up that maybe the real thing to do if you can swing it is just run some permanent combo of low dose test/primo/deca forever, and occasionally blast some Tren /Mast when you need to look like something. So for the last 6 weeks or so Iíve been running 250mg of test and 400mg of primo, and I like it. A lot.

    Now the only issue is Iíve been off of nandrolone for 6 weeks and my joints, and in particular my shoulder feel like dog shit. So I want to incorporate deca back in. So Iím doing so at 250mg/week. I also added Tren in at 200mg/week because... Tren. And I might throw some Var on this... and I just realized Iím not really cruising anymore with a gram of gear a week in me. So Thatís cool, Iíll smack out the mini cycle for a
    minute, but at some point that will end...

    So what I really want to discuss here is what everyoneís optimal cruise/HRT compounds and doseages are.

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    100 test
    300 primo
    100 deca

    Plenty enough for me


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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG View Post
    100 test
    300 primo
    100 deca

    Plenty enough for me


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    How do you feel on this combination? Strength, energy, sex drive, overall?

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    1000IU HCG
    3IU HGH
    100mg Test
    150mg Deca Durabolin
    150mg Primobolan
    30mg MK677
    20mg Cardarine
    (sometimes) 30-50mg Tren Hex

    In February or March I will be dropping Deca down to 100mg and bumping Primo up to 225mg
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    How do you feel on this combination? Strength, energy, sex drive, overall?
    I forgot gh and slin..love slin on low doses for full look..absolutely great it how I feel, libido and no sides..my joints feel good..
    Keep it mind the transition from the blast for awhile will keep you depressed a bit and workouts are not greatest at first..


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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG View Post
    I forgot gh and slin..love slin on low doses for full look..absolutely great it how I feel, libido and no sides..my joints feel good..
    Keep it mind the transition from the blast for awhile will keep you depressed a bit and workouts are not greatest at first..


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    What slin are you running and at what dosages? Every day?

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    20mg Cardarine
    GW501516 (also known as GW-501,516, GW1516, GSK-516, Cardarine, and on the black market as Endurobol) is a PPARδ receptor agonist that was invented in a collaboration between Ligand Pharmaceuticals and GlaxoSmithKline in the 1990s, was entered into clinical development as a drug candidate for metabolic diseases and cardiovascular diseases, and was abandoned in 2007 because animal testing showed that the drug caused cancer to develop rapidly in several organs.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW501516

    Why, why, why would you take that?

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    Whatís your ultimate cruise or HRT?

    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    What slin are you running and at what dosages? Every day?
    I work it up to 10 Postworkout..only on training days..I consume majority of my carbs fasted and pre and post workout to prevent catabolism..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    1000IU HCG
    3IU HGH
    100mg Test
    150mg Deca Durabolin
    150mg Primobolan
    30mg MK677
    20mg Cardarine
    (sometimes) 30-50mg Tren Hex

    In February or March I will be dropping Deca down to 100mg and bumping Primo up to 225mg
    What do you notice from Tren at 30-50mg? Does that combination hold muscle well? Overall feeling of well being? It seems like something you dialed in over time

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    What do you notice from Tren at 30-50mg? Does that combination hold muscle well? Overall feeling of well being? It seems like something you dialed in over time
    Helps getting over plateaus with adding some androgen load since rest of the HRT is just anabolics.

    It is also helpful for priming prior to a boat as well as recomp
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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG View Post
    100 test
    300 primo
    100 deca

    Plenty enough for me


    “The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates
    Almost exactly what I am now - add 50mg more test and 10mg var/day and yep.
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    Best? If I stop thinking about long term health, 100-200mg Tren E + 300mg of Test + 25-50mg daily Var + maybe 50mg a day of Proviron , alongside 250-500iu a week of HCG
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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    Best? If I stop thinking about long term health, 100-200mg Tren E + 300mg of Test + 25-50mg daily Var + maybe 50mg a day of Proviron, alongside 250-500iu a week of HCG
    and if you were thinking about long term health?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle1337 View Post
    Almost exactly what I am now - add 50mg more test and 10mg var/day and yep.
    How’s this Work out for you?

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    Gentlemen, I love everything above & will be going similar routes. I know itís an elementary question, but do you worry about estrogen levels? Do you take nolvadex as a precaution? TY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Gentlemen, I love everything above & will be going similar routes. I know it’s an elementary question, but do you worry about estrogen levels? Do you take nolvadex as a precaution? TY.
    I don’t personally, but I’m not estrogen sensitive either
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    and if you were thinking about long term health?
    What I’m doing now,

    Test - it’s best

    And, adding in mild shit for short bursts(a month at a time) - Var, Prov, maybe some dBol - at 25-50mg or so a day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Gentlemen, I love everything above & will be going similar routes. I know itís an elementary question, but do you worry about estrogen levels? Do you take nolvadex as a precaution? TY.
    I have little estrogen issues..no gyno and only flare ups are deca and tren together..
    ALWAYS have nolva on hand


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    I'm working on an Anavar script then I don't think i'll need to blast. Maybe with Tren base for 3-4 weeks here and there. I've found doing an upgraded cruise, using multiple compounds at low dosage have been way more beneficial than cycle/blast. A lot easier to have consistent sustainable muscle growth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Gentlemen, I love everything above & will be going similar routes. I know itís an elementary question, but do you worry about estrogen levels? Do you take nolvadex as a precaution? TY.
    If I was concerned I would add in 100-150mg of Masteron per week before Tamoxifen . At a low dose of Test, there shouldn't be any estrogen concerns.
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    200 mg/week test
    70 mg/week trest
    2 IU/day GH

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    Quote Originally Posted by m314 View Post
    200 mg/week test
    70 mg/week trest
    2 IU/day GH
    Trest as in MENT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    Trest as in MENT?
    Yeah. It has been my favorite compound since I first tried it in 2016. I run it at 20 - 25 mg/day on blasts and drop to 10 mg/day on cruises. It keeps me full and strong, gives me tons of energy in the gym, and gives me the sex drive I had 30 years ago (I'm mid 40s now). It has no negative effects on my bloodwork or blood pressure at 10 mg/day.
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    ^ I might have to look into this

    Haven’t heard much about it at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    ^ I might have to look into this

    Haven’t heard much about it at all
    If you’re in anyway Gyno prone, MENT is probably not for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    If you’re in anyway Gyno prone, MENT is probably not for you.

    Oh, I am - but these guys ain’t gowin no mo

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    If you’re in anyway Gyno prone, MENT is probably not for you.
    I've read that some guys run ralox or nolva to prevent gyno on cycle. Low dose exemestane is enough for me at 25 mg/day trestolone acetate. I don't need an AI at all with 10 mg/day trest along with low dose test.
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    one of the main purposes of coming off a blast and cruising is to down regulate your androgen and estrogen load. give your body a break from the constant elevation of these. so cruising on something like 500mg of test is not ideal (its adding lots of estrogen and androgen load). neither is cruising on test and then adding in Dbol .

    an ideal cruise to allow androgen levels and estrogen levels to down regulate and fall off a little bit while maintaining anabolic load is something like Primobolan or EQ.
    150mg test
    300mg primobolan
    is just about right for most of us.

    depending on your situation in your cruise, adding in secondary growth factors that are not androgenic or estrogenic can be of benefit .. like HGH, Mk677, IGF, Clen , T4, insulin . you can continue to grow well and add muscle with these things even though your 'off cycle'.. of course yes while on cycle when your androgen and estrogen load are both very high your going to grow better as well as get the cosmetic effects.

    in regards to cruising on deca . yes its a pure anabolic, its going to help you hold onto and build muscle without providing androgen load or converting to a ton of estrogen . but its a progestin , so its going to act on progestin receptors and keep you constantly sensitized to estrogen. thats not good nor bad per se , its person dependent. if your sensitive to estrogen and progestin/prolactin, then it may not be a good idea to cruise on deca year round. if your not sensitive and you get good joint support and anti inflammation benefits from it , then great.
    but in general, cruising on 19 nors year round is not as ideal as cruising on Primo


    another thought .. theres a difference between a 'cruise' and a 'bridge' . a cruise is meant to be 'off cycle' and give your body a break from the androgen load for awhile, where as a 'bridge' is a transition phase from one blast to the next blast.
    so in a bridge, lets say you been bulking for 12 weeks and your insulin sensitivity is now low , you need to mini cut for 6 weeks. well in that mini cut you may want to bridge with some low dose cutting compounds before you next bulking blast.
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    200mg test
    400mg primo
    30mg var a day
    60mcg clen

    thats basically a small cycle. its just holding you over for the mini cut 'bridge' .. where as with a cruise you want to run low doses and give your body as much as a break as possible . imo nothing gives your body the most amount of break, yet while still maintaining great level of anabolism, then Primo
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    My HRT is 200 mg Test C per week, cut into two doses. 50 mg Proviron daily, and 200iu hCG about two times a week. My Test number from bloodwork is too high (1875), but I feel great, and I had to get an old girlfriend back into the rotation because my lady cant take all the pounding I need to do now. I'm 55 and I am hitting more ass than a toilet seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    one of the main purposes of coming off a blast and cruising is to down regulate your androgen and estrogen load. give your body a break from the constant elevation of these. so cruising on something like 500mg of test is not ideal (its adding lots of estrogen and androgen load). neither is cruising on test and then adding in Dbol .

    an ideal cruise to allow androgen levels and estrogen levels to down regulate and fall off a little bit while maintaining anabolic load is something like Primobolan or EQ.
    150mg test
    300mg primobolan
    is just about right for most of us.

    depending on your situation in your cruise, adding in secondary growth factors that are not androgenic or estrogenic can be of benefit .. like HGH, Mk677, IGF, Clen , T4, insulin . you can continue to grow well and add muscle with these things even though your 'off cycle'.. of course yes while on cycle when your androgen and estrogen load are both very high your going to grow better as well as get the cosmetic effects.

    in regards to cruising on deca . yes its a pure anabolic, its going to help you hold onto and build muscle without providing androgen load or converting to a ton of estrogen . but its a progestin , so its going to act on progestin receptors and keep you constantly sensitized to estrogen. thats not good nor bad per se , its person dependent. if your sensitive to estrogen and progestin/prolactin, then it may not be a good idea to cruise on deca year round. if your not sensitive and you get good joint support and anti inflammation benefits from it , then great.
    but in general, cruising on 19 nors year round is not as ideal as cruising on Primo


    another thought .. theres a difference between a 'cruise' and a 'bridge' . a cruise is meant to be 'off cycle' and give your body a break from the androgen load for awhile, where as a 'bridge' is a transition phase from one blast to the next blast.
    so in a bridge, lets say you been bulking for 12 weeks and your insulin sensitivity is now low , you need to mini cut for 6 weeks. well in that mini cut you may want to bridge with some low dose cutting compounds before you next bulking blast.
    like
    200mg test
    400mg primo
    30mg var a day
    60mcg clen

    thats basically a small cycle. its just holding you over for the mini cut 'bridge' .. where as with a cruise you want to run low doses and give your body as much as a break as possible . imo nothing gives your body the most amount of break, yet while still maintaining great level of anabolism, then Primo
    I do have to say that cruising on primo left me way better off than my old test cruise only did. I’m a big fan of primo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    I do have to say that cruising on primo left me way better off than my old test cruise only did. I’m a big fan of primo.
    How so?


    I can get it, but it's not super cheap - I just don't see it, I can cruise on tren e at 1/3rd the dose & a quarter of the cost



    Maybe long term health?


    The ol' Arnold supposedly loved Primo

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    How so?


    I can get it, but it's not super cheap - I just don't see it, I can cruise on tren e at 1/3rd the dose & a quarter of the cost



    Maybe long term health?


    The ol' Arnold supposedly loved Primo
    Extenuating circumstances are what really made it shine for me. I was was cruising in it when was sick for a couple months between an Upper respiratory infection, the flu, and walking pneumonia. As you can imagine the gym took a hard back seat for a minute. Even eating like shit and not working out much, it kept me full, preserved a lot more lean tissue that test alone would have. As a result all I kept a lot more muscle than I would have, and really just lost a bunch of fat. Unlike how Tren tends to flatten you out, primo seems to keep you very full.

    also it doesn’t feel like you’re on anything. I’m on 100mg of Tren Ace EOD now, along with 400mg of primo a week, and 250mg of deca and test, and I’m still rather full, where as normally Tren has a tendency to make me flat when I’m not over carbing
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    EQ is a budget alternative to Primo so long as your CBC panel isn't drastically affected. Something like 200mg/week of EQ shouldn't be making blood values go haywire. Could even get Vet Grade EQ and still be cheaper.

    Anavar is another option at say 10-20mg/day.

    Ronnie was another big fan of Primo just like Arnold.
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    What’s the least amount of primo worth taking?

    I liked my daily Var, at even a low mg

    I liked deca too at a therapeutic dose(100-200mg a week) < I did this a few times when my joints were aching - shit really does help

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    What’s the least amount of primo worth taking?

    I liked my daily Var, at even a low mg

    I liked deca too at a therapeutic dose(100-200mg a week) < I did this a few times when my joints were aching - shit really does help
    I’d say 200mg a week

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    I’d say 200mg a week


    I'm gonna check with my guy who knows the guy who knows on what this will cost me



    Of course the best stuff costs the most
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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG View Post
    I work it up to 10 Postworkout..only on training days..I consume majority of my carbs fasted and pre and post workout to prevent catabolism..


    “The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing” Socrates
    Are you using it with any HGH or anabolics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashop View Post
    Are you using it with any HGH or anabolics?
    Absolutely a bit of both


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    DHEA is something I would recommend to everyone. 25mg AM and 25mg PM
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