nolvadex and tren?

[morton30]

I have been trying to figure out if nolvadex works with tren i have started a cutting cycle well im 4 weeks in im taking 200mg mastron 200mg trenbolone and 400mg test its a sis labs superbol 400 viral so i cant up the mastron. anyway i read on one thread someone says nolva works with tren gyno and another thread says it makes it worst i took 60mg for 3 days and then 20mg each day for about a week and i think the gyno is still growing but the nolvadex is a new lab that i never tried before called cenzo so could be bunk i just ordered some pharma grade but did i waste my money

[Quester]

There is conflicting info on this. Hopefully, someone will be able to weigh-in with some data to support one side.

[JaneDoe]

Imo;


Increase the masteron to somewhere between 400mg per week to 600mg per week.


Because, as you are mentioning, this problem of yours is more related to progesterone and estrogen, then prolactin.




Imho; Nolvadex can perform the function very well of blocking estrogen receptors in breast tissue ....


Gynecomastia can happen due to progesterone and estrogen.


Nolvadex can be used with 19-nor progestogen steroids ...


It will play the role of preventing you from having gynecomastia by certain estrogen receptors (most, not all)


Because I'm saying this? it won't fight prolactin.


Who will take care of prolactin for you is masteron at a dose of 400mg to 600mg per week.



But, what you have to understand is that if you are sensitive to prolactin, a dose of only 200mg of masteron per week is very low ...


A solid dose to inhibit prolactin is around 400 to 600mg per week, and so on.

[< <Samson> >]

Gyno loves tren , mine just ran away - I ran tren way too much & way too long. At first dex worked well at surpressing it, then after a while it stopped working & the gyno grew even while i was taking a bit of dex

[JaneDoe]

The problem is that if anastrozole sinks our E2,


can also give us gynecomastia sucks !...




A tremendous ago I was using exemestane together with trenbolone in the dose of 12.5 mg taking every other day.


Exemestane seems to be less severe than anastrozole, bro ...




Lastly, I only use nolvadex as an anti-e protector, what I do is use some dht steroids as a masteron in a higher dose to try to have less problems with side effects.

[Quester]

Please elaborate on how low E2, as a result of anastrozole or any other reason, can lead to gyno?

[JaneDoe]

Please elaborate on how low E2, as a result of anastrozole or any other reason, can lead to gyno?

Imo;


Well,has to do with the low testosterone (low-T) condition that is promoted by low levels of estrogen in the body.



I will do a better research to see if my statement is correct .....


Bump!!!

[morton30]

well just got the pharma grade tamoxifen through the door ill start again at 60mg for 3 days then down to 20mg a day fingers crossed dont want to stop this cycle never finished a tren cycle before mental side allways get the better of me but this time im handling it fine

[Quester]

Imo;
Well,has to do with the low testosterone (low-T) condition that is promoted by low levels of estrogen in the body.

I will do a better research to see if my statement is correct .....

Bump!!!

Dave, just to be clear, low estrogen doesn't cause or lead to low testosterone , in any way.

[JaneDoe]

Dave, just to be clear, low estrogen doesn't cause or lead to low testosterone, in any way.

You are right, it was a mistake and misinformation on my part.I researched and found that only the high estrogen above the testo that causes gynecomastia ...Thank you for your contribution and correction.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

You are right, it was a mistake and misinformation on my part.I researched and found that only the high estrogen above the testo that causes gynecomastia ...Thank you for your contribution and correction.

Nice Munzer avatar!!
My man was shredded to the gills

[Quester]

You are right, it was a mistake and misinformation on my part.I researched and found that only the high estrogen above the testo that causes gynecomastia ...Thank you for your contribution and correction.

My friend, I'm getting the impression that the recent emphasis on high estrogen, in this forum, is perhaps misleading some people. Look past that, and also use other sources than just this forum for your research. Since we are talking about hormones, the bio-sciences are a good place to start. -
There are a few different mechanisms for gynocomastia. It is a hormonal imbalance relative to other hormones and it has to do with hormonal substances (hormones, their metabolites or cascading effects) blocking some receptors or activating others (angonists and antagonists). The hormones involved test (probably via low dht or testosterones breakdown into estrogen), estrogen (high), progesterone, and prolactin (notice the root word lactate). Now, there could also be problems with the receptors themselves being overly sensitive or something else inherent to the individual not specific to a hormonal cause, i.e. the gyno is secondary to another problem that isn't caused by hormones.
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My point:
1-Current trends in popular thought do not change science. Always be your own thinker do your own research from objective areas, not popular trends. Science may not be as exciting but it is always the place to go for the fundamentals. If you find a contradiction, stick with science not what your buddy says or some big dude at the gym.
2-For our purposes, AAS and bodybuilding, gyno normally involves high estrogen.

[morton30]

few days on the pharma nolva i dont think its growing anymore but its not shrinking either i still dont know if its helping or not

[The God Himself]

I think people should refrain from giving advices like "increase/decrease that, add that" etc.
Everybody is different and something that works for you may HARM someone let alone helping them.
When you see a doc, does he/she tell you to start taking some drug without any testing or screening? If so, I would change my doctor unless my symptoms are too obvious.
Noone can tell me my E2 serum level is high just from looking into my eyes.
People should learn to get bloodwork done and move from there or educate before they medicate so to speak.

Science is NOT based on assumptions, and treating some symptom without finding the root cause (trial&error) is far away from science, and here comes a bold sentence, noone can claim they are knowledgeable if their knowledge based solely on "anecdotal" evidence of their own or their friends. Scientists conduct HUGE studies and yet they often state "this is not conclusive and more research is needed". Something we think we know about today, can be proven wrong tomorrow.

[morton30]

ok the gyno is defiantly getting worse now on 20mg nolva a day my left lump has grew like marble sized over the last few days. do you guys think its best to add caber or to up the mastron to from 200mg to 600mg

[kelkel]

Nice Munzer avatar!!
My man was shredded to the gills

You mean shredded to death....

[kelkel]

ok the gyno is defiantly getting worse now on 20mg nolva a day my left lump has grew like marble sized over the last few days. do you guys think its best to add caber or to up the mastron to from 200mg to 600mg

Nolva / Ralox is not a miracle cure. It takes time to be effective. As in months.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

You mean shredded to death....

I see what you did there...

[kelkel]

I see what you did there...

Above comment made me think of this:

[< <Samson> >]

Nolva / Ralox is not a miracle cure. It takes time to be effective. As in months.

Yup


Shit sprouts almost over nite - then takes months to suppress

[Charlie67]

You mean shredded to death....

oooff.... lol.