Deca Dick and how i plan on fixing this

[Cuz]

Well fuck, 6 weeks in i got the infamous deca dick. As much as i hate too im gonna end up dropping it sadly bc im growing on this shit. So heres my remedy

Cycle 900 test, 500 deca...

My fix
Stop deca
Add : mast p 100 eod
Proviron 50 ed (25mg 2x daily)
Cialis 20mg ed


So, what do u think? Does this shit look good? More less ? Help a bro out here

[Super User 4]

Well fuck, 6 weeks in i got the infamous deca dick. As much as i hate too im gonna end up dropping it sadly bc im growing on this shit. So heres my remedy

Cycle 900 test, 500 deca...

My fix
Stop deca
Add : mast p 100 eod
Proviron 50 ed (25mg 2x daily)
Cialis 20mg ed


So, what do u think? Does this shit look good? More less ? Help a bro out here

Drop in some Caber into that bro

[SampsonandDelilah]

I think you start there brother. I ran into recently at 400 mgs a week and proviron alone after a week at 50 mgs helped dramatically. Added the mast and some cialis and was good to go. Try not to overthink it too, the mental aspect can be tough to overcome. You got this

[tarmyg]

With what you are adding I see no reason to, at the same time, drop deca .

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I don’t see any reason to drop
the deca if you’re adding in Mast and Proviron . That’s going to up your DHT and fix your problem, may as well stay anabolic

[Cuz]

I panicked and decided to drop deca ...but after the info now i might stay on it go lower dose a tad... and run the above. Since ive wrote this ive banged my wife 3 times...one time i had issues but normally in the early morning i have issues with everything, breathing and gathering energy seem like a task.
Samson i think ur right, mental aspect is a huge influence.

Thanks guys i sincerely appreciate ur input

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I panicked and decided to drop deca ...but after the info now i might stay on it go lower dose a tad... and run the above. Since ive wrote this ive banged my wife 3 times...one time i had issues but normally in the early morning i have issues with everything, breathing and gathering energy seem like a task.
Samson i think ur right, mental aspect is a huge influence.

Thanks guys i sincerely appreciate ur input

See, you’re golden man. That deca ain’t gonna be out of your system for 3 weeks, and you’re already bustin’ nuts. Good to go

[SampsonandDelilah]

I panicked and decided to drop deca ...but after the info now i might stay on it go lower dose a tad... and run the above. Since ive wrote this ive banged my wife 3 times...one time i had issues but normally in the early morning i have issues with everything, breathing and gathering energy seem like a task.
Samson i think ur right, mental aspect is a huge influence.

Thanks guys i sincerely appreciate ur input

The mental aspect is such a big factor. Now you’ve demonstrated you can do it, put your mind at ease and turn off your brain. Lower the dose, add some proviron and mast (frankly you should have them on board anyways) and right back to it.

Nice work

[The road]

I can send you a little caber.

A few pills knocks it out for the rest of the run for me.

I think the caber regiments people run are overkill.

Hope it clears up.
I liked it for a bit.
I would go for three hours then I finally lost all feeling and lost my mojo midways through.
Then sooner...
Then nothing at all.

[clarky.]

Cuz, deca dick is old school bull shit, E2 causes this. Ffs man ppl run high doses of deca with TRT.
Nearly 1G of test man, we are all different some need a AI some don't. E2 fuckes your dick up simple.

[JaneDoe]

Deca Dick sucks!

[JaneDoe]

DNH does not exert androgenic activity,


the big reason for of Deca that many fear!


Like I_slam_cougars, said just just continue with your masteron proviron that will work.

[redz]

I never suffered deca dick with 900mg deca, 250mg test e, and 75mg dbol Ed. I’m sure higher test leads to having problems more often unless my body just loves deca.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I never suffered deca dick with 900mg deca, 250mg test e, and 75mg dbol Ed. I’m sure higher test leads to having problems more often unless my body just loves deca.

The old standard use to be to run your test twice as much as your deca to allow for plenty of DHT conversion. (So you’d run 1,800mg test with 900mg of deca).

Now we know you can run a trt dose of test with whatever amount of deca you want as long as you throw in some Mast/Tren /Proviron

[SampsonandDelilah]

The old standard use to be to run your test twice as much as your deca to allow for plenty of DHT conversion. (So you’d run 1,800mg test with 900mg of deca).

Now we know you can run a trt dose of test with whatever amount of deca you want as long as you throw in some Mast/Tren/Proviron

I get the mast and proviron , why though is tren a necessity with TRT dose and high Deca?

[redz]

I get away without any proviron , mast, or tren ....simply the compounds I mentioned above.... I wasn’t even taken cialis or viagara and I was ragging hard for 15 straight weeks on those doses( dbol was not the whole 15) I think it’s more of a trial and error thing our bodies are all different and have different reactions. For the life of me I can’t understand why people like EQ, I abandoned it again in my last run it does nothing for me except feeling shitty, hungry and not wanting to lift. There’s no exact science to what works for everyone.

[The road]

I never suffered deca dick with 900mg deca, 250mg test e, and 75mg dbol Ed. I’m sure higher test leads to having problems more often unless my body just loves deca.

I had issies at lower deca . I grew accustomed to higher levels without issue as time went on.
My body adapts to just about anything I think.
Now I just run whatever and it really doesnt cause issue.

[Dgs59]

Well fuck, 6 weeks in i got the infamous deca dick. As much as i hate too im gonna end up dropping it sadly bc im growing on this shit. So heres my remedy

Cycle 900 test, 500 deca...

My fix
Stop deca
Add : mast p 100 eod
Proviron 50 ed (25mg 2x daily)
Cialis 20mg ed


So, what do u think? Does this shit look good? More less ? Help a bro out here

Shit man, this just scares me off from deca and I wanted to try it for years....

[Cuz]

Shit man, this just scares me off from deca and I wanted to try it for years....

It comes and goes. I just dont wanna be plagued with the bullshit if my wife decides to have a friend over lol thats my main concern. Its just aggravating, its not like ur dick is permanently shut down...i just risked it and didnt have anything on hand to fix it ive since lowered my deca and things aren’t as bad or at least it seems

[SampsonandDelilah]

It comes and goes. I just dont wanna be plagued with the bullshit if my wife decides to have a friend over lol thats my main concern. Its just aggravating, its not like ur dick is permanently shut down...i just risked it and didnt have anything on hand to fix it ive since lowered my deca and things aren’t as bad or at least it seems

You lucky SOB

You’re gonna be fine, that shit comes and goes anyways some days. Deca or not.
Get it outta your head, it’s all butter

[Dgs59]

It comes and goes. I just dont wanna be plagued with the bullshit if my wife decides to have a friend over lol thats my main concern. Its just aggravating, its not like ur dick is permanently shut down...i just risked it and didnt have anything on hand to fix it ive since lowered my deca and things aren’t as bad or at least it seems

Sweet, thanks man...

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Think about all those cats back in the 70s that ran deca without test. Maybe enough dbol would overcome it... I don’t know

[Cuz]

Think about all those cats back in the 70s that ran deca without test. Maybe enough dbol would overcome it... I don’t know

I wish i knew what they knew. Doing this shit on my own for years not knowing anything ive wasted alot of time trial and erroring it...

[SampsonandDelilah]

I wish i knew what they knew. Doing this shit on my own for years not knowing anything ive wasted alot of time trial and erroring it...

Best way to learn though. Crazy how something will affect one guy but not the other and vice versa. Think you’ve been doing a damn fine job

[Cuz]

Best way to learn though. Crazy how something will affect one guy but not the other and vice versa. Think you’ve been doing a damn fine job

Lol thanks big man! You’re right tho man hell if it was easy we would all be Ronnies and Phils

[jstone]

It comes and goes. I just dont wanna be plagued with the bullshit if my wife decides to have a friend over lol thats my main concern. Its just aggravating, its not like ur dick is permanently shut down...i just risked it and didnt have anything on hand to fix it ive since lowered my deca and things aren’t as bad or at least it seems

I always heard horror stories about decca dick, so i always had caber on hand never used it at all. I have some pharm grade caber, and some vaultek caber on hand if you want it its yours. I will never use it, and its not cheap if you had to buy it. I dont want anything in return i just would rather see it used by someone than just possibly get trashed.

If you want it dont hesitate to pm me or say so in this thread.

[Fiskevatten]

Well fuck, 6 weeks in i got the infamous deca dick. As much as i hate too im gonna end up dropping it sadly bc im growing on this shit. So heres my remedy

Cycle 900 test, 500 deca...

My fix
Stop deca
Add : mast p 100 eod
Proviron 50 ed (25mg 2x daily)
Cialis 20mg ed


So, what do u think? Does this shit look good? More less ? Help a bro out here

I'm probably absoltely wrong here since I just started being interested in it myself.
But would NPP be an option to bring in as sub for Deca?

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I'm probably absoltely wrong here since I just started being interested in it myself.
But would NPP be an option to bring in as sub for Deca?

It’s the same thing

[Fiskevatten]

It’s the same thing

True! But with short ester, wouldn't it be easier do adjust (try) dose with remedy to find
something that works and reap benefit?
Just to not loose the cycle purpose

[sfbjj]

Hey man how’s going? I hope you doing well

I was about to create a thread here but then I saw yours and decided to reply to you since I think I’ve been having the same issues...
I’ve done an Enan 250mg x Deca 300mg 8 weeks cycle 2 years ago and didn’t make any protection afterwards.. I know before anybody calling me stupid I know I was at the time and now I’ve been suffering from the consequences, what’s happening is that from this past year I felt my testosterone levels going dramatically down and having a lot of issues not just sexual with my wife but on my daily basis like over stressed, a lot of insomnia etc, the sexual part is that even tho I had my libido alright my boner isn’t 100%, besides the balls got smaller too, at morning I have a lot of difficulty to make sex with my wife and I can’t breathe properly even tho I ran 3, 4 miles a day, I don’t last at all on my sex drive, this freaked me out so much that I decided to do a full blood test and my testosterone level was on incredibly miserable 270’s, then I ran into a friend of mine who compete in bodybuilding and is studying on the medicine school to specialize in endocrinologist and he recommended me to do another cycle and then here I go: I’ve got Enan250mg/Tren /Bold(first Month) x Enan250mg/Mast/Primo(Second Month) x Enan250mg/HCG (third month), what happens Is that I’m finishing my second week and still haven’t felt no difference on this, would you or anybody here help me with some information on what I have to do? Thank you very much!!

[sfbjj]

I panicked and decided to drop deca ...but after the info now i might stay on it go lower dose a tad... and run the above. Since ive wrote this ive banged my wife 3 times...one time i had issues but normally in the early morning i have issues with everything, breathing and gathering energy seem like a task.
Samson i think ur right, mental aspect is a huge influence.

Thanks guys i sincerely appreciate ur input

These are my blood tests that I’ve done

[GearHeaded]

Cuz, deca dick is old school bull shit, E2 causes this. Ffs man ppl run high doses of deca with TRT.
Nearly 1G of test man, we are all different some need a AI some don't. E2 fuckes your dick up simple.

if your prone to deca dick (ie, progestin sensitive) , and you ran all the AI in the world, your deca dick would get worse. OR if you ran Deca on its own, your E2 levels would actually go down not up , you'd still get deca dick. Deca does not aromatize (despite popular belief). AI's don't do shit for deca or deca dick. it is in no way related to E2 (if it was then guys would be getting deca dick from test only cycles).

Deca dick is caused via these factors -
- Deca does not convert to DHT , it converts to DHN. DHT is an androgen responsible for getting an erection. DHN has ZERO androgen ability, but it will bind on to DHT receptors and occupy them. Over a period of time your DHT levels are going down and at the same time DHN is occupying receptors and blocking androgenic activity . thus you get deca dick.
- Deca is a progestin based compound. it will bind and activate progestin receptors just like progesterone itself. when this happens your body in theory has elevated progestin levels, which will then sensitize you to estrogen (even if E levels are low) and it will up regulate prolactin (which at high enough levels will cause impotance)

^ those are the most common reasons for deca dick

a third reason for deca dick, especially back in the day (I'm talking Arnolds day) is running a Deca only cycle . on a deca only cycle both your DHT levels and your estrogen levels will crash (again Deca does not convert, on a deca only cycle your estrogen levels plummet).
Estrogen is ESSENTIAL for male sexual function. in fact is is the very hormone that controls the male libido (not Testosterone ).
your dick won't work without estrogen and at least some DHT.


OP has a good protocol .

Masteron will block progestin receptors.
Proviron will lower SHBG and thus release DHT into the blood stream
up the Test dose (and stay away from AI's) so you can get more estrogen

and last resort, in case prolactin levels are high , add some caber .

Cuz, you may also consider switching from deca to NPP . that way you can keep running nandrolone , but if the problem isn't resolved NPP has a short half life and will clear in a few days , where as deca takes weeks

[GearHeaded]

on a side note -- interesting fact.

IF high estrogen caused sexual disfunction and lack of sex drive ,, then sex offenders imprisoned may be given 'estrogen' injections to keep these guys libido crashed , so you would think.. but fact is , these sex offenders are given anti estrogens while in prison , because its just the opposite.. Estrogen is the hormone that stimulates male sexual function. estrogen blockers will crash that function.

high estrogen on the other hand often times stimulates sexual function in men.. not crashes it. when I've gotten my estrogen levels up to 20-25x the normal range my sex drive and performance is off the charts.
its the same with most everyone else too .. guys that get sexual disfunction and blame it on high E2 often times never got blood work to confirm this (and are speculating) and its likely something else thats causing their problem , not the E2.
(thats not to say that maybe 5% of the male population may be sensitive to estrogen and have issues with high estrogen,, but for the most part, most men sexually function better with higher estrogen levels, not the opposite)

[Fiskevatten]

if your prone to deca dick (ie, progestin sensitive) , and you ran all the AI in the world, your deca dick would get worse. OR if you ran Deca on its own, your E2 levels would actually go down not up , you'd still get deca dick. Deca does not aromatize (despite popular belief). AI's don't do shit for deca or deca dick. it is in no way related to E2 (if it was then guys would be getting deca dick from test only cycles).

Deca dick is caused via these factors -
- Deca does not convert to DHT , it converts to DHN. DHT is an androgen responsible for getting an erection. DHN has ZERO androgen ability, but it will bind on to DHT receptors and occupy them. Over a period of time your DHT levels are going down and at the same time DHN is occupying receptors and blocking androgenic activity . thus you get deca dick.
- Deca is a progestin based compound. it will bind and activate progestin receptors just like progesterone itself. when this happens your body in theory has elevated progestin levels, which will then sensitize you to estrogen (even if E levels are low) and it will up regulate prolactin (which at high enough levels will cause impotance)

^ those are the most common reasons for deca dick

a third reason for deca dick, especially back in the day (I'm talking Arnolds day) is running a Deca only cycle . on a deca only cycle both your DHT levels and your estrogen levels will crash (again Deca does not convert, on a deca only cycle your estrogen levels plummet).
Estrogen is ESSENTIAL for male sexual function. in fact is is the very hormone that controls the male libido (not Testosterone ).
your dick won't work without estrogen and at least some DHT.


OP has a good protocol .

Masteron will block progestin receptors.
Proviron will lower SHBG and thus release DHT into the blood stream
up the Test dose (and stay away from AI's) so you can get more estrogen

and last resort, in case prolactin levels are high , add some caber .

Cuz, you may also consider switching from deca to NPP . that way you can keep running nandrolone, but if the problem isn't resolved NPP has a short half life and will clear in a few days , where as deca takes weeks

Ha! I knew I was on the right track with NPP (proud)

Awesome info as always!

[sfbjj]

on a side note -- interesting fact.

IF high estrogen caused sexual disfunction and lack of sex drive ,, then sex offenders imprisoned may be given 'estrogen' injections to keep these guys libido crashed , so you would think.. but fact is , these sex offenders are given anti estrogens while in prison , because its just the opposite.. Estrogen is the hormone that stimulates male sexual function. estrogen blockers will crash that function.

high estrogen on the other hand often times stimulates sexual function in men.. not crashes it. when I've gotten my estrogen levels up to 20-25x the normal range my sex drive and performance is off the charts.
its the same with most everyone else too .. guys that get sexual disfunction and blame it on high E2 often times never got blood work to confirm this (and are speculating) and its likely something else thats causing their problem , not the E2.
(thats not to say that maybe 5% of the male population may be sensitive to estrogen and have issues with high estrogen,, but for the most part, most men sexually function better with higher estrogen levels, not the opposite)

Excuse me brotha, would you help me with my question please?
I posted a Reply before yours with my blood work as well

[SampsonandDelilah]

Best just to copy your question from here and post a new thread with a new title

Your total test score is low...what about free test. E2 and SHBG? Are you on anything now?
You seem to have a two part question as well. One on seeking recovery advice and the other looking at cycle advice. I’d look at them independently. Also, I’d worry more on making sure my hormones are at par before planning another cycle and ensuring my ED is resolved before looking to pin again. On another thread you can post your planned cycle and ask for a critique.

Just a few suggestions to ensure better responses, and hopefully some better guidance

[sfbjj]

Best just to copy your question from here and post a new thread with a new title

Your total test score is low...what about free test. E2 and SHBG? Are you on anything now?
You seem to have a two part question as well. One on seeking recovery advice and the other looking at cycle advice. I’d look at them independently. Also, I’d worry more on making sure my hormones are at par before planning another cycle and ensuring my ED is resolved before looking to pin again. On another thread you can post your planned cycle and ask for a critique.

Just a few suggestions to ensure better responses, and hopefully some better guidance

E2 - 18,71
SHBG - 24,1
Total test - 14,2

That’s how it shows on my exam m8, what do you think?

And I tried to create a thread but I’m new here and I’m not allowed yet

[SampsonandDelilah]

https://forums.steroid.com/newthread...=newthread&f=2

[tlaloc]

Well fuck, 6 weeks in i got the infamous deca dick. As much as i hate too im gonna end up dropping it sadly bc im growing on this shit. So heres my remedy

Cycle 900 test, 500 deca...

My fix
Stop deca
Add : mast p 100 eod
Proviron 50 ed (25mg 2x daily)
Cialis 20mg ed


So, what do u think? Does this shit look good? More less ? Help a bro out here

Im starting a deca cycle soon. 500mg Nandro Decano and 300mg Test Enth.

I wanted to clarify, did you also experience a loss of libido(desire), or were you simply not able to get it up? Both maybe?

Also, did you experience any other issue like depression or increased irritability?

[tlaloc]

"when I've gotten my estrogen levels up to 20-25x the normal range"

Fuck, bro. Thats hella high. Did you get any leg edema or have any other adverse symptom at this level of estro?