[Blast/Cruise] Test/Deca/Dbol/EQ/Var/Tren E/Mast/Insulin GH's Phase Cycling

[bwandrade]

Hey guys, a few weeks ago I decided to stop doing PCT and enter the blast and cruising world. I am 32 years old and soon I would need TRT anyway.

So, I "came up" with a cycle based on GearHeaded's Phase Cycling stuff. I am making this thread to get some inputs and to give info about this kind of protocol.

The blast will be as follows:

1º-6º week:

750mg Test/Week
600mg Deca/Week
50mg Dbol/Day

7º-12º Week
250mg Test/Week
600mg Deca/Week
600mg EQ/Week
50mg Var/Day

13º-18º Week

250mg Test/Week
600mg EQ/Week
400mg Tren/Week
500mg Masteron/Week

Plus(For the whole blast):
Insulin:
Humulin-R 5iu before breakfast and 15iu before my workouts. (probably, based on how much carb I will be eating)
Apidra (Fast acting like Humalog) 15iu after the workouts. (Also depends on how much carbs I will be eating)

T4: 75mcg 1 hour before breakfast, fasted.

Nolva: Already have it in hand if needed. (Enough to use 20mg/day for the whole blast from day 1)

The cruise will be:
125-150mg Test/Week
300mg EQ/Week
20-40mcg Clen (Maybe)

I also have a glucose meter and blood pressure monitor to keep my pressure and blood glucose level in check and will get some bloodwork mid blast and on cruise.

I am open for tips and questions.

[Kyle1337]

That's alot of insulin before the gym. I'd not recommend. Start with 5 iu morning and 5 iu after gym to see how your body reacts.... Only then add 5iu pre workout.

Lastly, if you can afford primo for your cruise, I'd suggest that over EQ.

Good luck!

[Windex]

That is not really phase cycling - You have a heavy anabolic, androgen, and estrogenic compound in each section. It looks like you mashed a bunch of gear together at random dosages.

Fasted insulin also does not make sense at all. Cruise part is fine (personally not a fan of Clen). As Kyle mentioned, Primo is the Ferrari where EQ is your Honda Civic. Just a matter of budget.

In terms of bloodwork you should check A1C before starting.

What is your weight, height and body fat ?

[bwandrade]

That's alot of insulin before the gym. I'd not recommend. Start with 5 iu morning and 5 iu after gym to see how your body reacts.... Only then add 5iu pre workout.

Lastly, if you can afford primo for your cruise, I'd suggest that over EQ.

Good luck!

Hey, I am using 6iu before workout at the moment (just because I am cutting and not eating a lot of carbs) and even used something like 15 before and after workout (but started with 5iu as you recomended, before I raised the dosage), never went hypo and keep my sugar levels in check.

That is not really phase cycling - You have a heavy anabolic, androgen, and estrogenic compound in each section. It looks like you mashed a bunch of gear together at random dosages.

Fasted insulin also does not make sense at all. Cruise part is fine (personally not a fan of Clen). As Kyle mentioned, Primo is the Ferrari where EQ is your Honda Civic. Just a matter of budget.

In terms of bloodwork you should check A1C before starting.

What is your weight, height and body fat ?

Correct me if I am wrong but the first 6 weeks are highly estrogenic (because of the "high" test and Dbol)

The 7-12 weeks are mostly anabolic, because even even though test can be highly androgenic and estrogenic it's a low dosage. Var, Deca and EQ have low to none androgenic and estrogenic properties.

The 13-18 weeks is mostly androgenic focused, with tren and masteron as the main compounds.

About Primo, I wanted to try it, but where I live Primo is like 5x more expensive than EQ, it's really a budget problem for me at the moment.

About the insulin in the morning, it's 15 to 30 minutes before a high carb breakfast to counteract cortisol, it won't be really fasted. (technically it's fasted, but you got my point)

Right now I am 5'8'', 165lbs and close to 9% BF or less. (BIA varies from 5 to 10% but soon I will ask a friend to measure it with calipers)

But let me give you a little bit of context. Two years ago I were at 187lb and close to 10% BF, then a close relative had cancer I and had to take care of him, stoped training, started eating badly for months, slept 4 hours per night maximum, lost 30lbs and even gained fat.

Now I've been training for 9 months, went from 165lbs and 23,7% BF to 165, 9% mostly natural (used insulin to be honest). But I am cutting right now and as soon as I raise the calories I will probably be 171 or more after the first week.

The thing is, I never tryed to be really huge because I am not tall, but now I am like screw it, I wanna be enormous, I don't care if my height and width will be the same (lol).

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the advices.

[Livinlean]

You're a grown man so you can make your own decisions but man that is a ton of gear for 165.

My concern would be what exactly do you intend to do when you hit 200 if you're already touching 2 grams at 165.

Also, glad you didn't do the 15iu pre workout of insulin. 5-10 is all that is needed. Any more will cause you to need too many carbs intra which will interfere with your workout quality. You are better off increasing breakfast insulin and post workout insulin before pre workout from both a performance standpoint but also safety (going hypo) even though I don't think you will need to.

[bwandrade]

You're a grown man so you can make your own decisions but man that is a ton of gear for 165.

My concern would be what exactly do you intend to do when you hit 200 if you're already touching 2 grams at 165.

Also, glad you didn't do the 15iu pre workout of insulin. 5-10 is all that is needed. Any more will cause you to need too many carbs intra which will interfere with your workout quality. You are better off increasing breakfast insulin and post workout insulin before pre workout from both a performance standpoint but also safety (going hypo) even though I don't think you will need to.

You know, I like to test things myself before come to any conclusions. I have an bachelor degree in P.E but soon after college started to do some other stuff, so my knowledge was mostly about natty training, nutrition and just the cookie cutter cycles, just a few months ago that I started to really get into the "enhanced" area of expertise and saw a lot of different opinions, some people say that low doses are better, some other people say that 1 to 2 g of test/week is like a whole new world, here in my country's forums (I am brazilian, BTW) it's common knowledge that "bloating are cursed" and in every single cycle with more than 500mg/week of test you have to run a ton of AI, here insulin "are poison" and if you touch it you will die, it's only worthy it with hGH... (Haha).

If there's one thing that I learned all these years is that the practice is not always like the theory, and everyone responds differently, so, let's give it a try and see what happens. I really don't know how I am gonna respond, to be honest, but I know enough to not kill myself or have any permanent damage. (Besides my HPG axis that I just don't care anymore).

About the insulin and carbs, I will keep that in mind. Even though I never had any problems with huge amounts of carbs pre workout.

I really appreciate your input and your concern. I am really open to any kind of opinions and advices, there isn't something like too much knowledge.

[bwandrade]

Bump.

[xxblazenlowxx]

Hcg?

[Cuz]

Might as well throw in the kitchen sink too while you’re at it

[bwandrade]

Hcg?

I have 10000 UI at hand but not planing to use it at the moment. What do you think? Would you use it and why?

Might as well throw in the kitchen sink too while you’re at it

Thanks, I will keep that in mind.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

5'8" 165lbs....

no insulin needed.
no 1.5-2 grams per week needed.
no T4 needed.
no advanced 18 week blast followed by a "cruise" of over 400mg per week needed.

quite simply 500 test and some food is what you need...
and hell, take some dbol if you want

seriously.

[bwandrade]

5'8" 165lbs....

no insulin needed.
no 1.5-2 grams per week needed.
no T4 needed.
no advanced 18 week blast followed by a "cruise" of over 400mg per week needed.

quite simply 500 test and some food is what you need...
and hell, take some dbol if you want

seriously.

I am by no means a begginer, I am just light at the moment (for reasons that I explained before on this tread). Also, that weight was at the end of my cutting, I went from 165 to 178 in 5 days after going back to maintenance calories. But I squat 2.5 times my bodyweight and deadlift almost 3 times that for reps in a caloric deficit.

Besides, we are far past what is needed or not, don't you think? We usually want to squeeze every single possible result of what we have in hand. With that in mind I came here with the idea: "This is what I am doing, is there anything that I could do do fine tune it?" I am not asking anyone to agree with me or with what I am doing, just asking a little help of someone with more experience to get the best of it. This will be a experiment, for the better or for the worst.

That being said thank you for your input, I really appreciate it.

[bwandrade]

What is your result in the GYM? stats?

I am 178 with 9%BF at the moment, I've been training for close to 16 years on and off but it's been a year without any breaks.

[xxblazenlowxx]

[QUOTE=bwandrade;7499992]I have 10000 UI at hand but not planing to use it at the moment. What do you think? Would you use it and why?


I would use HCG for the same reason almost all of us it.

Since your in no way a beginner what is your reason for not including it in this cycle?

[bwandrade]

I have 10000 UI at hand but not planing to use it at the moment. What do you think? Would you use it and why?

I would use HCG for the same reason almost all of us it.

Since your in no way a beginner what is your reason for not including it in this cycle?

Pretty much because I have no plans of doing PCT ever again and I am not worried about fertility or testicle size. Some people say that HCG is needed to keep a good overall health but I am not convinced.