Is this cycle okay? Need advice and open to criticism.

[neace3467]

i’m 21 years old. 22 soon. wanting to compete in both powerlifting early next year, and classic physique late next year. i’m 5’6” 165lbs, lifting since 17. relatively lean. plateauing as of late.

tried dbol and test very briefly at 18. stupid decision. and lgd last year for about a month. both cycles were short and low dosed. i’m looking to do an actual cycle. one with checkups, monitoring, proper training and diet, etc. my doctor will be aware of what’s going on during my cycle as well.

i’ve been on adderall for around half a year for adhd purposes. 30mg xr. i don’t use caffeine and my heart rate and blood pressure stat in a pretty safe zone for someone on stimulant based medication.

i’d like my first real, managed cycle to be a summer based cycle. starting mid spring, likely ending mid july. the cycle i have in mind is in...


weeks 1-10 test e. 100mg every 4 days. roughly 18 injections which puts me at a little over 150mg weekly.

weeks 1-3 dbol. 10mg, 20mg, 30mg. bump up 10mg from the initial 10mg every week until the third and final week at 30mg. then dropping. from what i experienced on dbol, it works very quick and had a few negative sides to it.

here’s my main question with the cycle.

weeks 7-10 anavar. 30mg for all 4 weeks.

obviously anabolic are never a “smart” decision, but is doing dbol and var in the same cycle an okay decision? i don’t want crazy quick results, i’d just like to familiarize myself with a real cycle and break plateaus as well as make progress for my upcoming meets and shows.

i’ve used this site for a while, but never made an account. just looking for help and advice on what do expect if i do go through with this cycle. i’m open to be criticized or any advice. i used clomid each times for a month at 50mg daily after both prior cycles. i plan to use it again, but if better pct’s are out there i’m open to change.

thank you.

[Gallowmere]

I’d mainly ask what you’re hoping to accomplish with this, other than just shutting down your natural production to little benefit. Normally when test is run in a cycle at a TRT dose, other compounds are carrying the anabolic weight. This is fine, however your oral dosages, frequencies, and total run time aren’t enough to give you much.

[neace3467]

I’d mainly ask what you’re hoping to accomplish with this, other than just shutting down your natural production to little benefit. Normally when test is run in a cycle at a TRT dose, other compounds are carrying the anabolic weight. This is fine, however your oral dosages, frequencies, and total run time aren’t enough to give you much.

thank you for the input. i had the same thought, i’m just worried about how higher doses would affect my body while also on somewhat harsh medication.

[Gallowmere]

Honestly, you’re going to see some amount of BP increase with AAS use in general. So long as your numbers are looking solid with your base of medication, you should be fine.

One option for you would be to use Test Prop at say, 3-400/week, using an ED injection schedule. This would give you the benefit of ‘slightly’ elevated (relatively speaking) test levels, while allowing you to very quickly make dosage changes if you start noticing any ill effects that concern you. Since prop’s terminal half-life isn’t even a full 24 hours, you can adjust on the fly quite well.

[neace3467]

Honestly, you’re going to see some amount of BP increase with AAS use in general. So long as your numbers are looking solid with your base of medication, you should be fine.

One option for you would be to use Test Prop at say, 3-400/week, using an ED injection schedule. This would give you the benefit of ‘slightly’ elevated (relatively speaking) test levels, while allowing you to very quickly make dosage changes if you start noticing any ill effects that concern you. Since prop’s terminal half-life isn’t even a full 24 hours, you can adjust on the fly quite well.

that does sound better. when you say that do you mean a stand-alone test prop cycle or still using the dbol and var as i mentioned but with prop rather than e?

[Gallowmere]

that does sound better. when you say that do you mean a stand-alone test prop cycle or still using the dbol and var as i mentioned but with prop rather than e?

Given your concerns, I’d go with one thing at a time. It doesn’t have to be separate cycles, but I’d personally do something like this.

Weeks 1-5: prop only, starting at 400 and adjusting down if BP becomes a concern.
Weeks 6-10: add in dianabol at 20-30/day if all is going well. If symptoms become problematic, halve dosage and reassess. Since dbol has an obscenely short half life, you’ll respond rapidly to dosing changes.

Save the Anavar for another cycle once you know how your medication interacts with those two compounds. Stacking orals, while not as problematic as once believed, can still play serious havoc on your lipids.

[neace3467]

Given your concerns, I’d go with one thing at a time. It doesn’t have to be separate cycles, but I’d personally do something like this.

Weeks 1-5: prop only, starting at 400 and adjusting down if BP becomes a concern.
Weeks 6-10: add in dianabol at 20-30/day if all is going well. If symptoms become problematic, halve dosage and reassess. Since dbol has an obscenely short half life, you’ll respond rapidly to dosing changes.

Save the Anavar for another cycle once you know how your medication interacts with those two compounds. Stacking orals, while not as problematic as once believed, can still play serious havoc on your lipids.

thank you. i got bloodwork today. my resting heart rate was 93, blood pressure was 130/76. not too bad. at one time i was at 160/120. as long as i can stay relatively healthy and break plateaus, i’ll be healthy. if worse comes to worse i’ll be okay with settling for a smaller sarm cycle

[Gallowmere]

thank you. i got bloodwork today. my resting heart rate was 93, blood pressure was 130/76. not too bad. at one time i was at 160/120. as long as i can stay relatively healthy and break plateaus, i’ll be healthy. if worse comes to worse i’ll be okay with settling for a smaller sarm cycle

The BP is fine, but man, that RHR is rough, even with that particular stim involved. It likely has more to do with training type and daily life than anything though.
It took me about three weeks of hitting the bike for an hour on non-lifting days (so 3x/week) to go from 82 to 68. Then a couple months later it was kicking around 57. This was during my constant EC use as well (200/25 4x/day), so stims alone won’t keep it that high.

[Test Monsterone]

thank you. i got bloodwork today. my resting heart rate was 93, blood pressure was 130/76. not too bad. at one time i was at 160/120. as long as i can stay relatively healthy and break plateaus, i’ll be healthy. if worse comes to worse i’ll be okay with settling for a smaller sarm cycle

You could get on some atenolol like me... my resting heart rate is 45-50 bpm, and I do zero cardio. Of course, I am diagnosed with high blood pressure. To be honest, my blood pressure has gotten better on steroids for some reason, but it took about a year to level out. The first 6 months, and during my first cycle my bp would creep up to around 150/80, but these days it stays around 115-130/60-70. You can't really assess blood pressure at the doctor's office as you are in a tense state. I would buy an at-home blood pressure monitor (with an appropriately sized cuff depending on your arm circumference), and check it multiple times a day.

Also, at your 100 mg/every 4 days, you're not going to see any results from the test. If you're already injecting test, why even bother with Dbol or anavar? Go for an all test cycle for 2-3 months to see how you fair, then experiment with other steroids... However, at 21 I wasn't even thinking about trying steroids. You haven't really been lifting that long tbh. I started at 15 and only started steroids at 32... I would wait until 25, personally.

[redz]

That’s an awful cycle plan you may not even have higher test levels over your natural levels.

[neace3467]

You could get on some atenolol like me... my resting heart rate is 45-50 bpm, and I do zero cardio. Of course, I am diagnosed with high blood pressure. To be honest, my blood pressure has gotten better on steroids for some reason, but it took about a year to level out. The first 6 months, and during my first cycle my bp would creep up to around 150/80, but these days it stays around 115-130/60-70. You can't really assess blood pressure at the doctor's office as you are in a tense state. I would buy an at-home blood pressure monitor (with an appropriately sized cuff depending on your arm circumference), and check it multiple times a day.

Also, at your 100 mg/every 4 days, you're not going to see any results from the test. If you're already injecting test, why even bother with Dbol or anavar? Go for an all test cycle for 2-3 months to see how you fair, then experiment with other steroids... However, at 21 I wasn't even thinking about trying steroids. You haven't really been lifting that long tbh. I started at 15 and only started steroids at 32... I would wait until 25, personally.

been working out since really young. lifting just since teenage years. did a lot of sports as well and won a lot of varsity “powerlifting meets” as well. i’ve plateaued a lot and i’d like to pursue classic physique bodybuilding in the hopes of earning my pro card, so it’s more of this just feeling like the route i’ll have to go down.

[neace3467]

That’s an awful cycle plan you may not even have higher test levels over your natural levels.

great response, great feedback. thank you good sir for the constructive criticism.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

great response, great feedback. thank you good sir for the constructive criticism.

thing is... he is being truthful.

you proposed running 150mg of test a week plus some orals in the beginning and end.

Being that you are using UGL (my guess)... 150mg of test may actually put you at the same level of testosterone as your body already produces...
Even with good gear... 150mg of test isn't really worth shutting yourself down for...

I would recommend either...
doing nothing... you are young....
or doing 400 of test per week, no AI, 500ius of hCG

[GearHeaded]

obviously anabolics are never a “smart” decision, .

this statement stood out to me the most . so are you saying none of us here that use AAS make "smart" decisions?
personally, I think my choice to use AAS is an extremely smart decision concerning my situation and goals in life.

if your not convinced and confident your making a smart decision with using AAS ,, you may want to hold off.
when you go to inject your body with these drugs, you should be absolutely confident your making the best and smartest decision for yourself . if there is doubt, then it is probably a "dumb" decision and not for you

[Test Monsterone]

been working out since really young. lifting just since teenage years. did a lot of sports as well and won a lot of varsity “powerlifting meets” as well. i’ve plateaued a lot and i’d like to pursue classic physique bodybuilding in the hopes of earning my pro card, so it’s more of this just feeling like the route i’ll have to go down.

Ahh you pulled the old "pro card" card. That's literally the excuse for EVERY SINGLE GUY WHO IS UNDER 25 lol...

[redz]

great response, great feedback. thank you good sir for the constructive criticism.

I think it was effective and constructive to tell you it’s a waste. Because it is, we don’t just tell people what they want to hear you’ll have to go somewhere else if that’s what you’re looking for.