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    So, for those of you "older" guys who cruise......

    I'm curious to see how you guys manage your lipid profile. I am almost 49 years old, been lifting for 30+ years, but just started cycling about 2-1/2 years ago. I just had my blood work last week, & my total cholesterol almost doubled, & my HDL went from 45 to 19. My ratio now is high risk for coronary artery disease. I really haven't done anything different from the previous year. Age? Genetics? My wife seems to think it was my winter "diet" of peanut butter, lol. Just curious how you guys deal with this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flexin-rph View Post
    I'm curious to see how you guys manage your lipid profile. I am almost 49 years old, been lifting for 30+ years, but just started cycling about 2-1/2 years ago. I just had my blood work last week, & my total cholesterol almost doubled, & my HDL went from 45 to 19. My ratio now is high risk for coronary artery disease. I really haven't done anything different from the previous year. Age? Genetics? My wife seems to think it was my winter "diet" of peanut butter, lol. Just curious how you guys deal with this issue.

    Thanks!
    There is a guy who posted his protocol on here a few weeks ago that greatly improved his cholesterol with some supplements after suffering a heart attack at only around 35 yo. His numbers were really phenomenal, even for a female vegan lol. I believe his username was Transilvania.


    Also you may want to try using HCG as it is believed to reduce LDL through the process of spermatogenesis. My HDL was 41 on TRT and I’m only 33. I’m thinking if yours went half that in just a year, it’s something you did. No genetic changes happen that quickly.

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    What does your nutrition look like. Even on heavy cycles mine stays below 200 combined. Usually in the 60-70 range for hdl and 80-100 ldl

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    Well, my diet has not been what it prolly should be, but I am still around 11% body fat with visible abs. I have been running HCG 250iu 3 times a week all along. I just finished up a 14 week cycle of Test Cyp 750mg/week, Deca 400mg/week, with dbol 30mg/day the 1st 6 weeks, followed by anavar 30mg/day the final 8 weeks. This cycle finished 5 weeks ago. Currently running Test cyp 200mg/week & eq 300mg/week, with 50mg Proviron daily. As I have been doing some studying, & reading some studies, my thought now is pointing to the Arimidex 0.5mg 3 times a week. Some studies have shown that Arimidex can markedly decrease HDL, combined with Test. I am going to drop the Arimidex, & use Aromasin 12.5mg qd (if I need it). Recheck blood work in 3 months. Any other ideas?

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    Also, probably going to drop the Proviron & add Masteron 400mg weekly.

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    Could try and run some GW5015 and see if it positively impacts your lipid profile

    Otherwise if the AI switch doesn’t help, it might just be genetic

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    If it is genetic, flexin, you of all people know there no shame in taking a statin if necessary. However something you may want to consider is a copy & paste of some info Kel posted recently.


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    Thought you may find this interesting. I've had cholesterol issues for years and have been on a non-statin for maybe a decade. Total cholesterol is good, just my HDL is always low and LDL a little high. Triglycerides are great. Anyway, he still does not see a need for a statin, which is good. So, I asked him what can we do next to make sure all is ok on the inside, what test can be done.

    He wrote me a script for a Cardiac CT for Calcium Scoring test. It checks the arteries around the heart for plaque build up and will help determine if further treatment (meds, etc) is warranted. Doc said insurance doesn't cover it, which makes zero sense as it would save them money long term, but it's a cheap test. I called my local screening facility and made the appointment for tomorrow. Total cost $85 bucks. Look forward to see the results of this. Very interesting imho. Just trying to be proactive.

    https://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/inf...=ct_calscoring

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    Just for shits and giggles, here are my lipids @ 3.5 weeks post blast.
    Dosages weren't terribly high, but it was test, primo, tren , and d'bol. I do have a history of cardiac issues, so a cycle of say 200 test, 200 tren, and 400 primo is a heavy one for me.......... ( those are mg/ week dosages).

    Lipid Panel

    Cholesterol, Total 124 NORMAL 100-199 mg/dL

    Triglycerides 44 NORMAL 0-149 mg/dL

    HDL Cholesterol 49 NORMAL >39 mg/dL

    VLDL Cholesterol Cal 9 NORMAL 5-40 mg/dL

    LDL Cholesterol Calc 66 NORMAL 0-99 mg/dL

    Comment:NORMAL


    I do eat clean. Rarely eat deep fried foods, I do take flush free niacin, eat lean beef, chicken,turkey, and steelhead, but the only time I eat pork is if I cheat and have a pizza.

    Plenty of fibrous veggies, some grapes and occasionally an orange. I do have a glass of grapefruit juice daily.

    Again, I think people's genetics do have a great deal to do with their lipids, but also there's no shame in taking a statin if needed.

    Edit: For the record, I'll be 56 years old later this year.
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    Thanks, fellas. Gonna add some fish oil and clean up my diet. My gut feeling is the AI is my major culprit. I really hope to stay away from statins, if possible. I hear ppl all day long complain about their muscle/joint pain with their statin therapy. But, if I have to, so be it. Thanks.

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    Actual lab numbers (both 4-5 week post cycle, with cruise during lab test):

    March 2019 March 2020

    total chol 120 vs 164
    trig 22 vs 62
    hdl 45.0 vs 18
    ldl 71 vs 134.0
    risk ratio 2.7 vs 9.0

    BUN little high @ 31 & creatinine @1.2 Liver: ALT 73 Ast 50

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    Add in Slo-Niacin or Endur-acin as well as NAC to help with your cholesterol.
    Remember, most all AAS will knock down HDL. Problem is most don't come off (or cruise low enough) long enough for numbers to return to near normal.
    Consider looking into the Cardiac CT for Calcium Score test. Cost is only about $85 and is really totally worthwhile imho. it will tell you whether you have a legitimate internal issue and need a statin or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Add in Slo-Niacin or Endur-acin as well as NAC to help with your cholesterol.
    Remember, most all AAS will knock down HDL. Problem is most don't come off (or cruise low enough) long enough for numbers to return to near normal.
    Consider looking into the Cardiac CT for Calcium Score test. Cost is only about $85 and is really totally worthwhile imho. it will tell you whether you have a legitimate internal issue and need a statin or not.
    Most certainly will. I'll keep you guys posted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flexin-rph View Post
    I'm curious to see how you guys manage your lipid profile. I am almost 49 years old, been lifting for 30+ years, but just started cycling about 2-1/2 years ago. I just had my blood work last week, & my total cholesterol almost doubled, & my HDL went from 45 to 19. My ratio now is high risk for coronary artery disease. I really haven't done anything different from the previous year. Age? Genetics? My wife seems to think it was my winter "diet" of peanut butter, lol. Just curious how you guys deal with this issue.

    Thanks!
    Too calm u a bit. Google the cholestrol myth.
    Some world wide top experts, top japs, top dennish, say dont worry.
    There is no such thing as "good" cholestrol.
    Peope with high total live longer.
    Cholestrol do not cause arteriesclorosis, simple because its too much of it.
    Too much water, doesn't sink your boat.
    African tribes who eat very high fat camelmilk and fat meat, have perfect cholestrollevels.
    Etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin View Post
    Too calm u a bit. Google the cholestrol myth.
    Some world wide top experts, top japs, top dennish, say dont worry.
    There is no such thing as "good" cholestrol.
    Peope with high total live longer.
    Cholestrol do not cause arteriesclorosis, simple because its too much of it.
    Too much water, doesn't sink your boat.
    African tribes who eat very high fat camelmilk and fat meat, have perfect cholestrollevels.
    Etc

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    Oh stfu!
    I sent you a link to the greatest cholesterol cumulative information in the world and you are still talking about some shit you read on instagram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    Oh stfu!
    I sent you a link to the greatest cholesterol cumulative information in the world and you are still talking about some shit you read on instagram.
    U dont have brains for this, but to other members :
    The Cholesterol Myths

    Here are the facts!

    Cholesterol is not a deadly poison, but a substance vital to the cells of all mammals. There are no such things as good or bad cholesterol, but mental stress, physical activity and change of body weight may influence the level of blood cholesterol. A high cholesterol is in fact beneficial, probably because it partake in our immune system.
    Read more >>

    A high blood cholesterol is said to promote atherosclerosis and thus also coronary heart disease. But many studies have shown that people whose blood cholesterol is low become just as atherosclerotic as people whose cholesterol is high.
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    Your body produces three to four times more cholesterol than you eat. The production of cholesterol increases when you eat little cholesterol and decreases when you eat much. This explains why the ”prudent” diet cannot lower cholesterol more than on average a few per cent.
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    There is no evidence that too much animal fat and cholesterol in the diet promotes atherosclerosis or heart attacks. For instance, more than twenty studies have shown that people who have had a heart attack haven’t eaten more fat of any kind than other people, and degree of atherosclerosis at autopsy is unrelated with the diet.
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    The only effective way to lower cholesterol is with drugs, but neither heart mortality or total mortality have been improved with drugs the effect of which is cholesterol-lowering only. On the contrary, these drugs are dangerous to your health and may shorten your life.
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    The modern cholesterol-lowering drugs, the statins, do prevent cardiovascular disease, but the effect is minuscule and is due to other mechanisms than cholesterol-lowering. Unfortunately, they also stimulate cancer, disturb the functions of the muscles, the heart and the brain and pregnant women taking statins may give birth to children with malformations more severe than those seen after thalidomide.
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    Many of these facts have been presented in scientific journals and books for decades but are rarely told to the public by the proponents of the diet-heart idea.
    Read more >>

    The reason why laymen, doctors and most scientists have been misled is because opposing and disagreeing results are systematically ignored or misquoted in the scientific press.
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    The Benefits Of High Cholesterol
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    Cholesterol is Our Best Friend. This is a popular-scientific version of our paper which was published in Expert Review of Clinical Pharmacology



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    Quote Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin View Post
    Too calm u a bit. Google the cholestrol myth.
    Some world wide top experts, top japs, top dennish, say dont worry.
    There is no such thing as "good" cholestrol.
    Peope with high total live longer.
    Cholestrol do not cause arteriesclorosis, simple because its too much of it.
    Too much water, doesn't sink your boat.
    African tribes who eat very high fat camelmilk and fat meat, have perfect cholestrollevels.
    Etc

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    I've read Dr. Stephen Sinatra's book "The Great Cholesterol Myth" as well. Great read and i feel he's one of the pioneers in this field.
    Total cholesterol means very little. If you're looking for an indicator divide your triglycerides by your HDL. The goal is 2 or less. It's a much better indicator or cardiac health.
    Cholesterol is cholesterol. The only difference is particle size. Large, fluffy and buoyant particle size is good. Small and dense is bad and leads to buildup. Now and then guys should obtain an advanced lipo profile or NMR Profile to determine this. It's quite eye opening.

    Someone here posted the below article here a month or so ago. It's a really good read on cholesterol by Dr. Georgia Ede. Fascinating actually.

    https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/full-article/cholesterol
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I've read Dr. Stephen Sinatra's book "The Great Cholesterol Myth" as well. Great read and i feel he's one of the pioneers in this field.
    Total cholesterol means very little. If you're looking for an indicator divide your triglycerides by your HDL. The goal is 2 or less. It's a much better indicator or cardiac health.
    Cholesterol is cholesterol. The only difference is particle size. Large, fluffy and buoyant particle size is good. Small and dense is bad and leads to buildup. Now and then guys should obtain an advanced lipo profile or NMR Profile to determine this. It's quite eye opening.

    Someone here posted the below article here a month or so ago. It's a really good read on cholesterol by Dr. Georgia Ede. Fascinating actually.

    https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/full-article/cholesterol
    A very good article. And most of it, my guru, Uffe Ravnskog, agrees on.
    Stay away from sugar, only thing that causes inflammation, and small LDL and heart problemes. Else good to go, cholestrolwize. Meaning, worse cholestrol profile from steroids , are not dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin View Post
    A very good article. And most of it, my guru, Uffe Ravnskog, agrees on.
    Stay away from sugar, only thing that causes inflammation, and small LDL and heart problemes. Else good to go, cholestrolwize. Meaning, worse cholestrol profile from steroids , are not dangerous.

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    Agree, sugar is evil. Inflammation is why guys should routinely run a CRP (C-Reactive Protein) test with they yearly bloodwork as it's an inflammation marker in the body.
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    Posted some pics over in the Members Pics Forum, for those interested in a 49 y/o bodybuilder lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Agree, sugar is evil. Inflammation is why guys should routinely run a CRP (C-Reactive Protein) test with they yearly bloodwork as it's an inflammation marker in the body.
    Do you feel that way about all sugar including fruit ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Agree, sugar is evil. Inflammation is why guys should routinely run a CRP (C-Reactive Protein) test with they yearly bloodwork as it's an inflammation marker in the body.
    Kel, are you going by glycemic index and load?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Do you feel that way about all sugar including fruit ?

    Absolutely not. Talking about the sugar people use in addition to whatever they're consuming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Kel, are you going by glycemic index and load?

    No, not at all. I'm familiar with Index and load. There's some interesing charts that break it all down for those interested.

    https://extension.oregonstate.edu/si...cemicindex.pdf
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