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Thread: No hcg for PCT? Later? Nuts busted?

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    No hcg for PCT? Later? Nuts busted?

    I stopped my cycle of test E + var been on it for 6 weeks.
    Last pin was 4 days ago, last var was 2 weeks ago.
    I will go into PCT 14 days later. I asked and was suggested only to use clomid or nolva and not both.

    Since it's quarantine, I cannot pin HCG because all the docs are closed and I don't have syringes with me.

    So, shall I go with only clomid @ 75/75/50/50
    Or shall I add nolva too @ 40/20/20/20

    Please advice. What if I do the normal PCT and after the quarantine (or PCT ) ends I inject HCG?
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    The best way to use hcg is during the cycle, not at the end. Since that ship is sailed, you should be fine with a nolva/clomid pct.

    6 weeks of test e leaves alot of gains on the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octaneforce View Post
    The best way to use hcg is during the cycle, not at the end. Since that ship is sailed, you should be fine with a nolva/clomid pct.

    6 weeks of test e leaves alot of gains on the table.
    I am just a bit worried about my nuts that's all. I think I will go with clomid.
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    Standalone HCG later than PCT isn't a viable option?

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    Clomid will do fine.
    Hcg is for on cycle use. If you have no gyno starting or nipple issues you don't need nolva. You will bounce back quick.

    Tbh the clomid isnt even that necessary.
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    How old are you btw?
    Gonna have more kids?
    Will you cycle again?
    Trt?
    Goals?
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    I personally didn’t even notice my nuts shrink when I was off HCG for a long time, like 3 months. Granted that doesn’t mean I wasn’t infertile, but at least they looked like they worked. I’m by no means a pct guy cause I never cycled off completely, but from all the research and long time users I’ve listened to, it seems pct or no pct you are still going to go through the recovery pretty much the same.
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    Sounds like the op has made up his mind regardless.

    Clomid will bring your balls back. You can run hcg if you want (you cant crush up the vial and snort the glass if you want) but hcg is suppressive so you wont be speeding up the recovery process by using it unless you stay on it until your next cycle, and at that point you might as well cruise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    I personally didn’t even notice my nuts shrink when I was off HCG for a long time, like 3 months. Granted that doesn’t mean I wasn’t infertile, but at least they looked like they worked. I’m by no means a pct guy cause I never cycled off completely, but from all the research and long time users I’ve listened to, it seems pct or no pct you are still going to go through the recovery pretty much the same.
    My balls are a third their original size. So about normal.

    Passed it on to my son before my nuts died.
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    There is one bitch I have about shrinking nuts and this is real.
    Pay attention newbs!

    Your bag shrinks too. It pushes your balls around your shaft.

    So every time she pulls it down my bag pushes up due to lack of elasticity and it shoves my balls up above my cock.

    Its totally fine and good until we get rough. Then It sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    My balls are a third their original size. So about normal.

    Passed it on to my son before my nuts died.
    I wouldn’t care either if I had some kids already. I haven’t been consistent with the HCG but may need my balls in case I fall in love and live happily ever after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    I wouldn’t care either if I had some kids already. I haven’t been consistent with the HCG but may need my balls in case I fall in love and live happily ever after.
    Dont place your happiness in others hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    Clomid will do fine.
    Hcg is for on cycle use. If you have no gyno starting or nipple issues you don't need nolva. You will bounce back quick.

    Tbh the clomid isnt even that necessary.
    I currently don't feel any lumps or itching and stuff on my nipples so it's safe to say the situation isn't going to get milky. Imma do clomid then thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    How old are you btw?
    Gonna have more kids?
    Will you cycle again?
    Trt?
    Goals?
    I am 23

    For sure I want to have kids in the future.

    No trt, recovered from the first cycle just fine.

    Goals? I was supposed to model for a company but this corona shit ruined it. Earlier I had plans for competing too but dropped them since the prep seems far more dangerous to me with all the drugs involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    I personally didn’t even notice my nuts shrink when I was off HCG for a long time, like 3 months. Granted that doesn’t mean I wasn’t infertile, but at least they looked like they worked. I’m by no means a pct guy cause I never cycled off completely, but from all the research and long time users I’ve listened to, it seems pct or no pct you are still going to go through the recovery pretty much the same.
    Some People here swear by PCT and some don't. But those who don't take much more time to recover than the one's who do PCT. As far as I have seen of course and since everyone's different, we can't say for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octaneforce View Post
    Sounds like the op has made up his mind regardless.

    Clomid will bring your balls back. You can run hcg if you want (you cant crush up the vial and snort the glass if you want) but hcg is suppressive so you wont be speeding up the recovery process by using it unless you stay on it until your next cycle, and at that point you might as well cruise.
    I will run HCG on the next cycle throughout and not after PCT and stuff. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    My balls are a third their original size. So about normal.

    Passed it on to my son before my nuts died.
    What does it take to kill the nuts and become impotent completely? I guess years and years of AAS or maybe staying on and off quite frequently?

    I really haven't seen my balls shrunk this time around but felt them bigger instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octaneforce View Post
    Sounds like the op has made up his mind regardless.

    Clomid will bring your balls back. You can run hcg if you want (you cant crush up the vial and snort the glass if you want) but hcg is suppressive so you wont be speeding up the recovery process by using it unless you stay on it until your next cycle, and at that point you might as well cruise.
    What does HCG suppress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorg89 View Post
    What does HCG suppress?
    HCG mimicks LH (luteinizing hormone). LH and FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) are produced by the pituitary gland and regulate testosterone /sperm production. If you take HCG, your body will think it has plenty LH so it'll stop producing it. When you come off HCG, you body will have to regulate itself back into producing LH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobspix View Post
    What does it take to kill the nuts and become impotent completely? I guess years and years of AAS or maybe staying on and off quite frequently?

    I really haven't seen my balls shrunk this time around but felt them bigger instead.
    Thats a good question and it varies person to person.
    Given enough dosages and time even hcg wont orevent atrophy and most males can restart natural spermatogenesis with hcg and clomid therapy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobspix View Post
    I am 23

    For sure I want to have kids in the future.

    No trt, recovered from the first cycle just fine.

    Goals? I was supposed to model for a company but this corona shit ruined it. Earlier I had plans for competing too but dropped them since the prep seems far more dangerous to me with all the drugs involved.
    You should bounce back pretty quick even without anything.
    I would run 50 mg ED of clomid a few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    HCG mimicks LH (luteinizing hormone). LH and FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) are produced by the pituitary gland and regulate testosterone/sperm production. If you take HCG, your body will think it has plenty LH so it'll stop producing it. When you come off HCG, you body will have to regulate itself back into producing LH.
    Jesus!

    Is that why after HCG you need Clomid/Nolva?

    So taking Clomid and Nolva while on HCG would prevent that from happening?

    It would be similar to taking HCG while on Testosterone to prevent balls from working?

    Or am I getting this all wrong?

    Do Nolva and Clomid also suppress something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    There is one bitch I have about shrinking nuts and this is real.
    Pay attention newbs!

    Your bag shrinks too. It pushes your balls around your shaft.

    So every time she pulls it down my bag pushes up due to lack of elasticity and it shoves my balls up above my cock.

    Its totally fine and good until we get rough. Then It sucks.

    Pics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorg89 View Post
    Jesus!

    Is that why after HCG you need Clomid/Nolva?

    So taking Clomid and Nolva while on HCG would prevent that from happening?

    It would be similar to taking HCG while on Testosterone to prevent balls from working?

    Or am I getting this all wrong?

    Do Nolva and Clomid also suppress something?
    Yes. And this is why HCG is either recommended to run throughout the cycle or towards the end but before PCT.

    Nolva is a serm. Completely different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    You should bounce back pretty quick even without anything.
    I would run 50 mg ED of clomid a few weeks.
    4 weeks sounds good or shall I take it to 6? Currently planned 75/50/50/50 for 4 weeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    Thats a good question and it varies person to person.
    Given enough dosages and time even hcg wont orevent atrophy and most males can restart natural spermatogenesis with hcg and clomid therapy.
    Gotcha mate
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    For me on 200 mg Test Cyp weekly, hCG brought my balls back from less than M&M size to normal. and i got a ball sack again. my girl is even happier than me. I got tired of saying that the issue was just that it was cold in the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxblazenlowxx View Post
    Pics?
    I would in a heartbeat but they would ban me.

    They got all pissed when I posted my balls.It was for medical reasons.

    Its how I keep it real though.
    I like to make people cringe with a shot of my gym and ephedrine shrunk wiener.

    For now though maybe you can help me with the rash on my ass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobspix View Post
    4 weeks sounds good or shall I take it to 6? Currently planned 75/50/50/50 for 4 weeks
    4 is fine
    Start two weeks after last injection
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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    I would in a heartbeat but they would ban me.

    They got all pissed when I posted my balls.It was for medical reasons.

    Its how I keep it real though.
    I like to make people cringe with a shot of my gym and ephedrine shrunk wiener.

    For now though maybe you can help me with the rash on my ass?

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    Get some hydro cortisone on that shit shaker and take some diphenhydramine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Get some hydro cortisone on that shit shaker and take some diphenhydramine!
    Isnt diphenhydramine sleep aid?
    You tryna get me naked and unconscious?
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    Samp...
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    Gf was tye dying and I told her I wanted to F.

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    Looks like a zombie grabbing my dick! Lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by C27H40O3 View Post
    For me on 200 mg Test Cyp weekly, hCG brought my balls back from less than M&M size to normal. and i got a ball sack again. my girl is even happier than me. I got tired of saying that the issue was just that it was cold in the house.
    I feel you brotha lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by C27H40O3 View Post
    For me on 200 mg Test Cyp weekly, hCG brought my balls back from less than M&M size to normal. and i got a ball sack again. my girl is even happier than me. I got tired of saying that the issue was just that it was cold in the house.
    Next time tell her the issue is her. That usually quiets things down

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    Next time tell her the issue is her. That usually quiets things down
    Yeah. I need a break from there anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bobspix View Post
    Yes. And this is why HCG is either recommended to run throughout the cycle or towards the end but before PCT.

    Nolva is a serm. Completely different.
    Wouldn't then make more sense to run Nolva and Clomid along with HCG rather then after HCG?

    I want to try restarting my HPTA and am not sure if I should run HCG for few weeks and then Nolva+Clomid or HCG and SERMS simultaneously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    Isnt diphenhydramine sleep aid?
    You tryna get me naked and unconscious?
    lmaooooooo fuck

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