Heart flutter and steroids

**charger69** · 04-19-2020, 12:05 PM

Is there any link between steroids and heart flutter? My initial thoughts are no due to all of the people that have heart flutter that are not gearheads.

**almostgone** · 04-19-2020, 12:33 PM

If the flutter is due to heart enlargement, the I'd say higher end usage of AAS could definitely be a contributor.

Some people just have athletic heart syndrome and the heart basically remodels due to the workload, but they function quite well.

Edit: I'll just add that I think high end AAS usage and stimulant usage can be a bad combo.

**charger69** · 04-19-2020, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by almostgone

If the flutter is due to heart enlargement, the I'd say higher end usage of AAS could definitely be a contributor.

Some people just have athletic heart syndrome and the heart basically remodels due to the workload, but they function quite well.

Edit: I'll just add that I think high end AAS usage and stimulant usage can be a bad combo.

I have a slightly enlarged heart, but normal. Whatever that means. I heard the normal and stopped listening. LOL
I had afib they often use the two interchangeable. The afib was prior to a competition, but I was on stims pretty bad. I learned my lesson. The afib could never be found again.
I went I to the hospital for an infection and they found flutter. I have been hooked up numerous times and the flutter is still there. I was hoping the stress on the body from the infection caused it. I guess not.
I am trying to see if AAS usage causes it or if it just happens.... or both.

**almostgone** · 04-19-2020, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by charger69

I have a slightly enlarged heart, but normal. Whatever that means. I heard the normal and stopped listening. LOL
I had afib they often use the two interchangeable. The afib was prior to a competition, but I was on stims pretty bad. I learned my lesson. The afib could never be found again.
I went I to the hospital for an infection and they found flutter. I have been hooked up numerous times and the flutter is still there. I was hoping the stress on the body from the infection caused it. I guess not.
I am trying to see if AAS usage causes it or if it just happens.... or both.

Flutter can be caused by quite a few things, some benign. The left side of my heart is enlarged from a virus, which led to the left bundle branch block, which leads to a conduction error, which leads to AFib.

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**almostgone** · 04-19-2020, 01:53 PM

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**Test Monsterone** · 04-20-2020, 02:30 AM

I had that flutter feeling for a straight year and my cardiologist found I had a slightly prolapsed mitral valve. I also have high blood pressure, as well as slightly enlarged heart and left ventricle. The flutters, I believe, were caused by stress and a poor diet. I would get them especially if I had any stimulant. Even a half a can of coke or Pepsi. I stopped all caffeinated products for 2 years. It took about a year to get over the feeling and now, 7 years later almost and I don’t get them anymore really. I will get flutters the day after drinking too much alcohol or if I over exert myself like after a day of moving furniture.

If you are watching your diet, blood pressure, stress levels, caffeine intake, and keep your health markers within the normal range, that’s all you can do. Oh and don’t use a bunch of tren lol.

**charger69** · 04-20-2020, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Test Monsterone

I had that flutter feeling for a straight year and my cardiologist found I had a slightly prolapsed mitral valve. I also have high blood pressure, as well as slightly enlarged heart and left ventricle. The flutters, I believe, were caused by stress and a poor diet. I would get them especially if I had any stimulant. Even a half a can of coke or Pepsi. I stopped all caffeinated products for 2 years. It took about a year to get over the feeling and now, 7 years later almost and I don’t get them anymore really. I will get flutters the day after drinking too much alcohol or if I over exert myself like after a day of moving furniture.

If you are watching your diet, blood pressure, stress levels, caffeine intake, and keep your health markers within the normal range, that’s all you can do. Oh and don’t use a bunch of tren lol.

Well, caffeine and tren ....: not sure if I can do without that. LOL.
I don’t use as much T3 or stims like I used to.
I do not feel my flutter. I purchased a little KARDIA “EKG” that you can see on your phone. It does not detect the flutter because it is so consistent. LOL
I actually checked minutes after an EKG in the hospital and did not detect it.

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**almostgone** · 04-20-2020, 11:32 AM

I've tried the kind that go around your chest and the kind that you wear on your wrist. It kept picking mine up as additional heartbeats. Both were totally unreliable.

**almostgone** · 04-20-2020, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by charger69

I have a slightly enlarged heart, but normal. Whatever that means. I heard the normal and stopped listening. LOL
I had afib they often use the two interchangeable. The afib was prior to a competition, but I was on stims pretty bad. I learned my lesson. The afib could never be found again.
I went I to the hospital for an infection and they found flutter. I have been hooked up numerous times and the flutter is still there. I was hoping the stress on the body from the infection caused it. I guess not.
I am trying to see if AAS usage causes it or if it just happens.... or both.

This is just a guess, Charger, but did they do a stress echocardiogram? If so, it could be that your ejection fraction is in the normal range, but your your heart has remodeled like I mentioned regarding an athletic heart.

You can always reach out to your cardiologist for a copy of your records. I try to keep a current copy of all of my records except for my primary care physician. I can usually access the PCP records via a patient portal.

**charger69** · 04-20-2020, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by almostgone

This is just a guess, Charger, but did they do a stress echocardiogram? If so, it could be that your ejection fraction is in the normal range, but your your heart has remodeled like I mentioned regarding an athletic heart.

You can always reach out to your cardiologist for a copy of your records. I try to keep a current copy of all of my records except for my primary care physician. I can usually access the PCP records via a patient portal.

Actually, they were worried because my heart was a little weak. After calculations , it was only a little weaker than min, but I just had surgery removing 2 infections and I was on 2 different types of antibiotics. That in itself could have caused the weakness. I went for two weeks of only sleep and work prior to the operation. No energy. Me too, but I don’t understand all of the jibberish. LOL.
I come here to the smart guys to explain it to me.

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**almostgone** · 04-20-2020, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by charger69

Actually, they were worried because my heart was a little weak. After calculations , it was only a little weaker than min, but I just had surgery removing 2 infections and I was on 2 different types of antibiotics. That in itself could have caused the weakness. I went for two weeks of only sleep and work prior to the operation. No energy. Me too, but I don’t understand all of the jibberish. LOL.
I come here to the smart guys to explain it to me.

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The antibiotics for bacteremia, etc. are rough by themselves. I had to have my liver enzymes checked weekly...total pain in the ass. But I did get from a ~12% ejection fraction to 40%.

Edit: I left out a lot of details we've discussed before. Mainly just posting in case it will help someone else.