How much to gain from first cycle?

[RangerTX]

Hi everyone, so I've been training for 3 years and i'm going to start my first cycle which will be 500mg test e and 300mg deca for 12 weeks. How much should I expect to gain from this cycle on average?

[GearHeaded]

nothing ,, unless we see your training and diet set up drugs don't work without the co factors

[RangerTX]

I workout 5 days a week (Chest- Back- Day off- Shoulders- Arms- Legs- Day off) and consume around 3500 calories (40-40-20 ratio) with 8 hours of sleep per day.

[Test Monsterone]

There is no way to know because you may be a hyper responder, a non-responder, or anywhere in between. If you are near your genetic potential, gains will likely be less than they would be if you were further away from your genetic potential. I would say if you gained 10 - 15 lbs, that would be good.

[GearHeaded]

I gained around 30 pounds my first cycle ,, kept it all and gained another 20 or so over the years. but I was a skinny cardio guy (cyclist and runner) to begin with .

what you gain is somewhat dependent on your starting point

[kelkel]

[quote=gearheaded; but i was a skinny cardio guy [/quote]


wtf....

[GearHeaded]

wtf....

decades ago .. I learned a lot being a sponsored high level cyclist and running 19 minute 5ks ... thats where I started my nutrition journey.
obviously looking back , not happy with the physique at all doing that shit .. but a bit of food , some test, heavy weights and dropping the cardio over kill worked pretty good

[< <Samson> >]

^ That's one cycle?! lol



It just depends - on my 1st cycle I went from 175(ish) to 244


How much fat, water Vs. lbm? well



I'd say 12Lbs of true lbm


the rest? < well, it wasn't an idea 1st cycle(if there ever is one)

[kelkel]

decades ago .. I learned a lot being a sponsored high level cyclist and running 19 minute 5ks ... thats where I started my nutrition journey.
obviously looking back , not happy with the physique at all doing that shit .. but a bit of food , some test, heavy weights and dropping the cardio over kill worked pretty good

Speaking of cardio work. Just saw a news clip where Tiger Woods said his biggest regret physically was running multiple miles every day. It destroyed his knees and back. Thought that was interesting.

[Proximal]

Speaking of cardio work. Just saw a news clip where Tiger Woods said his biggest regret physically was running multiple miles every day. It destroyed his knees and back. Thought that was interesting.

Don’t doubt it.

[Booz]

Fuck running fucks your joints...
Get a bike

[GearHeaded]

Speaking of cardio work. Just saw a news clip where Tiger Woods said his biggest regret physically was running multiple miles every day. It destroyed his knees and back. Thought that was interesting.

I've had 5 back surgeries .. I have 6 giant screws, brackets, cages, and braces holding my lower back together .. also my discs totally removed cause they were shot (running for years probably played a role)
I'm never running again . unless its from the cops

[< <Samson> >]

I've had 5 back surgeries .. I have 6 giant screws, brackets, cages, and braces holding my lower back together .. also my discs totally removed cause they were shot (running for years probably played a role)
I'm never running again . unless its from the cops

Dang, how old r u n e way

[GearHeaded]

Dang, how old r u n e way

43... but lived a lot of life and feel a heck of a lot older then that

[< <Samson> >]

43... but lived a lot of life and feel a heck of a lot older then that

Fuck



Goes along with - how much can you fuck yourself up with your 1st cycle

[i_SLAM_cougars]

^ That's one cycle?! lol



It just depends - on my 1st cycle I went from 175(ish) to 244


How much fat, water Vs. lbm? well



I'd say 12Lbs of true lbm


the rest? < well, it wasn't an idea 1st cycle(if there ever is one)

Was that one of those first cycles that lasted for 4 years? Lol

[JaneDoe]

It depends a lot on your genetics to get along with hormones.


If you're a skinny guy with an ectomorph biotype, the gains will come more slowly.

[JaneDoe]

The way is to do your steroid cycle, maximizing your high carbohydrate nutrition for you to shape a structure in your physique.


Protein intake is paramount, but what will increase the results to a high level are the high amounts of carbohydrates. Even more for ectomorphs.

[< <Samson> >]

Was that one of those first cycles that lasted for 4 years? Lol

Negative, this was within 3-4 months

My 2nd cycle is the one that never ended