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    Liver Supports

    Have a ton of support supplements and I'm trying to decided what is worth using and what's not. Here what I have:

    Liver Support
    TUDCA
    NAC
    Milk Thistle
    Dandelion Root
    Tumeric (high curcumin)

    Hormone Support
    DIM
    Colloidal Zinc
    Ashwagandha
    Grape Seed
    Tribulus
    Pine Pollen

    Would you use any of these on cycle? During PCT? Any reason not to use any of them?

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    Also use Melatonin for sleep support

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    Ah, what's the cycle/stack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32 View Post

    Ah, what's the cycle/stack?
    Test E - 12 weeks @500mg per week
    Dbol - 40/40/40/40/30/30/30/30/20/20/10/(10 eod)

    Have Nolva, Clomid and Hcg but seriously considering cruising instead. Stockpiled a whole shitload of Dragon Test C on a killer product of the week sale. Tried to share earlier but obviously that's not allowed and I think some folks got the idea I was trying to hook people up myself. Not the case just wanted to let you guys know about the sale, in case anyone else wanted to stockpile

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32 View Post

    Ah, what's the cycle/stack?
    But I was more asking as a generalization for liver support for any methylated oral. Have read so much mixed info and there's such a huge lack of good studies that I'm really not sure what to think. I know NAC shows some promising things in treating acetaminophen caused liver injury, and that Milk Thistle has long been touted for liver health and protection. Just thought I'd see what you guys might know on the subject. Curious to know what others would use if any of them.

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    I use sublingual Glutathione and Vit C combined with a good quality liver support powder that contains Milk thistle during a cycle. Afterwards combine Choline and Inositol at 3g each for 30 days. I am going to try NAC too.

    For androgen support after 30 to 50mg of a good quality zinc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainshaker View Post
    Have a ton of support supplements and I'm trying to decided what is worth using and what's not. Here what I have:

    Liver Support
    TUDCA
    NAC
    Milk Thistle
    Dandelion Root
    Tumeric (high curcumin)

    Hormone Support
    DIM
    Colloidal Zinc
    Ashwagandha
    Grape Seed
    Tribulus
    Pine Pollen

    Would you use any of these on cycle? During PCT? Any reason not to use any of them?
    I head milk thistle and tumeric are good, but I don't have any data to support my bro-science. Basically, you're trying to put a Band-Aid on a gunshot wound.

    Here's what I'd do. I'd try to eat good and keep liver-affecting steroids to a minimum or a short-term basis. Even if it's function changes while you're on a substance, after stopping it, your living will regenerate itself (to a point) and you'll be back to normal. If you're on cycle and you notice something is wrong, then you should stop what you're doing and seek health, but without even knowing your potential cycle, I couldn't give you any advice (sound or not).
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    Quote Originally Posted by yarakefendi View Post
    I use sublingual Glutathione and Vit C combined with a good quality liver support powder that contains Milk thistle during a cycle. Afterwards combine Choline and Inositol at 3g each for 30 days. I am going to try NAC too.

    For androgen support after 30 to 50mg of a good quality zinc.
    Thanks man appreciate the input, I always supplement Vit C so I didnt include that in the list. Will look into glutathione and inistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    I head milk thistle and tumeric are good, but I don't have any data to support my bro-science. Basically, you're trying to put a Band-Aid on a gunshot wound.

    Here's what I'd do. I'd try to eat good and keep liver-affecting steroids to a minimum or a short-term basis. Even if it's function changes while you're on a substance, after stopping it, your living will regenerate itself (to a point) and you'll be back to normal. If you're on cycle and you notice something is wrong, then you should stop what you're doing and seek health, but without even knowing your potential cycle, I couldn't give you any advice (sound or not).
    Have also heard good things about the two of them. However have also read instances where they believe Tumeric may have actually caused elevated liver enzymes. I agree with if you notice something wrong stop the compound, that's why I only like adding 1 new thing at a time so I know what's causing the issue. Thanks for the reply

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    All I have ever used was Nac , milk thistle and glutathione .
    After 10 weeks of test var cycle where I used anadrol for 2 weeks if I can recall . My
    Liver enzymes were on point , like nothing has happened , just a bit elevated cuz of anadrol I guess but still in range when I did the bloods.
    TUDCA they say it’s the best but it’s really expensive , it’s not worth taking unless you are cycling heavy compounds .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getsomehate View Post
    All I have ever used was Nac , milk thistle and glutathione .
    After 10 weeks of test var cycle where I used anadrol for 2 weeks if I can recall . My
    Liver enzymes were on point , like nothing has happened , just a bit elevated cuz of anadrol I guess but still in range when I did the bloods.
    TUDCA they say it’s the best but it’s really expensive , it’s not worth taking unless you are cycling heavy compounds .
    Great man this was the kind of feedback I was looking for. I'll stick with the NAC and milk thistle and look into getting some glutathione. I'll go ahead and save the Tudca for a heavier cycle/blast. Do you use them on cycle or post cycle?

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    I think liver toxicity from AAS use is totally over rated and exaggerated.. guys in the 70s were popping bottles of Dbol all day for months on end and you don't hear of them dying from liver failure. liver enzymes can be elevated by a simple Tylenol, eating at McDonalds, or doing a hard workout. thats just a natural thing.

    but anyhow, there are more health benefits to "liver support" then just liver. thats why I take NAC, Milk Thistle, Choline/Inositol, etc.. daily (not wasting money on TUDCA though).
    if you were blasting 200mg of Anadrol per day and worried about liver issues, then injectible Glutathione is a good choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I think liver toxicity from AAS use is totally over rated and exaggerated.. guys in the 70s were popping bottles of Dbol all day for months on end and you don't hear of them dying from liver failure. liver enzymes can be elevated by a simple Tylenol, eating at McDonalds, or doing a hard workout. thats just a natural thing.

    but anyhow, there are more health benefits to "liver support" then just liver. thats why I take NAC, Milk Thistle, Choline/Inositol, etc.. daily (not wasting money on TUDCA though).
    if you were blasting 200mg of Anadrol per day and worried about liver issues, then injectible Glutathione is a good choice.
    I'm in full agreement with you on the over exaggeration of the liver damage. I honestly probably dont need any of it for my Test/Dbol cycle but I have it and I figure if it doesnt cause any issues then I might as well use it for whatever health benefits it has. By the way man just want to say you are awesome, love the way you put down real info, learning a ton from your posts.
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    Fact is they will cause mild increase in AST and ALT levels which does indicate liver stress due to drug overload/toxicity granted they were normal prior to oral steroid use . Everything in moderation is key and the rule of thumb given by many doctors is for every month on you should have a month off. Also dosage is key for e.g. 20 to 40mg of Oxandrolone a day on script is plenty. The question here is for how long and how high does liver values need to be to cause irreversible liver damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainshaker View Post
    Have also heard good things about the two of them. However have also read instances where they believe Tumeric may have actually caused elevated liver enzymes. I agree with if you notice something wrong stop the compound, that's why I only like adding 1 new thing at a time so I know what's causing the issue. Thanks for the reply
    I haven't heard that tumeric can do that. I've never supplemented with it (other than eating bowls of curry). But I think you should be all the more reason to get blood work before you cycle, during and after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    I haven't heard that tumeric can do that. I've never supplemented with it (other than eating bowls of curry). But I think you should be all the more reason to get blood work before you cycle, during and after.
    Agree 100%, when in doubt have a doctor check it out. However I really wonder how a 12week cycle of test/dbol compares to a couple nights of drinking and taking tylenol for the hangovers. I know way back when I used to drink, one night of heavy drinking left me feeling far shittier than a whole cycle of AAS leaves me feeling. Makes you wonder for sure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainshaker View Post
    Agree 100%, when in doubt have a doctor check it out. However I really wonder how a 12week cycle of test/dbol compares to a couple nights of drinking and taking tylenol for the hangovers. I know way back when I used to drink, one night of heavy drinking left me feeling far shittier than a whole cycle of AAS leaves me feeling. Makes you wonder for sure...
    Dose and duration come in to play, but the liver is very resilient. I'm sure the liver enzymes go out of wack from a night of drinking and Tylenol. But it recovers from it. Hell, Ric Flair did it for 50 years on a daily basis and still is doing it. He also used gear while on this life-long binder (according to one of his ex-wives). And he's still training all day and drinking all night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    Dose and duration come in to play, but the liver is very resilient. I'm sure the liver enzymes go out of wack from a night of drinking and Tylenol. But it recovers from it. Hell, Ric Flair did it for 50 years on a daily basis and still is doing it. He also used gear while on this life-long binder (according to one of his ex-wives). And he's still training all day and drinking all night.
    must have a bit of Irish and viking blood in him perhaps
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