Possible gyno starting. But I’m controlling my E2. Help?

[Jonahtme]

Hi everyone.

25yo, 200lbs, 5foot 10 inches.
Training for the past 6 years.
I’ve done about 10 cycles in the past and have never experienced this so any help would be great.

Current cycle:
20mg test cyp ED
45mg tren Ace ED
100mg anavar ED split into two doses.
Am about a month into my cycle.

I noticed about a week ago that my nips were pretty sensitive and there was/is a very small pea sized.. bump under the one on my right side, actually it’s a bit smaller than an average pea.
The bump is pretty sensitive to the touch, and unnoticeable unless you’re pinching around. You can’t see it.

I was surprised as I know that Tren and Var don’t aromatize to E, and I’m in a pretty low dose of T. Shoot even the Tren is at a pretty low dose!

Per standard procedure, for the past 4 days I’ve been taking 1mg anatrozle, but I haven’t noticed any difference.

Thoughts?

[Jonahtme]

Any advice?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I believe you are suffering from prolaction induced gyno.
The prolaction is from the tren.

People would recommend either:
running mast with your cycle to help protect against gyno
running nolva with your cycle to help protect against gyno
taking caber to lower your prolactin

Standard procedure is not taking 1mg of anastrozole per day to fight gyno caused by tren since your estrogen shouldn't be high from your cycle.

I would wait until someone moreknowledgable than I gives a more detailed answer.

There is of course always a chance that your anavar isn't anavar or your tren isn't tren etc....

[Jonahtme]

Good point. I got the gear from a reputable source on I found on e roids sources page.
So I don’t think that it is the gear is fake.

Could be the tren, but it’s a pretty low dose (350mg/week)
Plus I read on the gyno sticky here that tren induced gyno is a myth.

Thanks for the reply by the way mate.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Good point. I got the gear from a reputable source on I found on e roids sources page.
So I don’t think that it is the gear is fake.

Could be the tren, but it’s a pretty low dose (350mg/week)
Plus I read on the gyno sticky here that tren induced gyno is a myth.

Thanks for the reply by the way mate.

350mgs isn’t a low dose. I run 200mgs a week before my powerlifting meets. Have you run tren before?

As far as gyno not being caused by tren...
I know plenty of people here that have run into trouble with tren and gyno.
Take you for instance.

[Jonahtme]

Yea I’ve run tren before at 450 a week. It was a little too much for me at that time just as far as the insomnia and irritability.
But I didn’t get the whole sensitive nips thing.

Here’s the quote from the gyno sticky on this forum:
“ First thing... there is no such thing as "prolactin-induced" gynecomastia. I've heard this one too many times and later in this segment you will understand why. Now, prolactin is another sex hormone and is secreted by the pituitary gland in your brain. Although it's found in both males and females, it's main purpose is for milk production for females. The fact is, males have no use for prolactin that we know of today. Why, God, why?? Anyway, while low levels are not harmful, high levels certainly are. So let's take a look at the concerns with higher than normal prolactin levels in men...

Effects of High Prolactin Levels in Men:

- Adverse Testicular Interference
- Lowers natural testosterone
- Lower sperm count (to infertility levels)
- long term elevation can cause erectile dysfunction (sometimes short term)
- Low Libido
- Breast tenderness
- Male lactation
- Low ejaculate volume

19-Nortestosterone steroid such as nandrolone and Trenbolone can cause prolactin levels to become elevated MAINLY with the presence of excess estrogen. They are NOT a direct cause of high prolactin. While using prolactin inhibiting drugs will resolve issues, your first line of defense is controlling estrogen, as elevated estrogen can boost the effect of prolactin increase. It's not uncommon to prevent prolactin increase with the use of an AI. But the doses of 19-Nor steroids today, may prove that is somewhat ineffective. Leading to the necessity of having a secondary (and direct) compound to combat the effects.

The way it works is entirely complicated and I couldn't even think of a way to put it in laymans terms. But in short, 19-Nor interaction with the estrogen receptors will boost prolactin secretion. This is why it's important to control estrogen first, and prolactin second“

That’s why I figured I should use the anastrozle.

So you think my best bet is to get some nolva or caber?

[Jonahtme]

Any more info?? Anybody?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

As far as the stickies go....
They are well written and well thought out...
They are simply one person's opinion.
Trends and thoughts change/develop over time.

Eating eggs is bad for you... no eating eggs is good for you.... Ask two people and you can get two different answers.

If I were you I would run Nolva at 10mg a day throughout your cycle.
I would run it str8 thru PCT.
If you still have a lump I would continue to run it until it disappears.
I would then continue to run it for a month after it disappears.

I have heard that running mast with tren helps...
I have no experience with it first hand so I really can't recommend it.

I also don't think mast will fix your gyno once you have a lump.
I think mast helps prevent getting the lump.

[Jonahtme]

Okay I’m thinking about getting Nolva and caber.
Any other thoughts or opinions?