Steroids and immune system specifically tren

[Bigbadwolf250]

How harsh is tren on the immune system. I know aas does hinder our immune system so think tren would be the harshest of them all.

Any of you guys holding back on your cycle due to the coronavirus stuff going around?

[Gallowmere]

How harsh is tren on the immune system. I know aas does hinder our immune system so think tren would be the harshest of them all.

Any of you guys holding back on your cycle due to the coronavirus stuff going around?

Yes, there is immune suppression from all androgens (including plain old test). Tren likely is more severe in this respect, but I’ve never seen any actual data on it, as it’s run in human use was very short.
No, it hasn’t stopped me. As a double whammy, I’m also cutting hard while on this cycle. I’m not interrupting my cycle plans for a “maybe”. I could also get hit by a car tomorrow (even more likely given that I work in the paving industry), but I don’t structure my life assuming that it will happen.

[Quester]

Beg to differ based on amounts and types.
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Testosterone has pos benefits for immune function, but that is based on natty levels. Therefore, TRT must be ok.
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As for supraphysiological levels, complications like high HGB/HCT, High BP, whatever, seperate from the first two that, fucks up cardio-those are basic fundamentals of health that are thrown out of whack and probably (this is all guesswork) compromise based on their specific effects.
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So, as for all steroids compromise the immune system, nothing is simple like that but wouldn't it be more likely that responsible use mitigates negative effects or even enhances the positive?
...just hypothesizing.

[Gallowmere]

Beg to differ based on amounts and types.
-
Testosterone has pos benefits for immune function, but that is based on natty levels. Therefore, TRT must be ok.
-
As for supraphysiological levels, complications like high HGB/HCT, High BP, whatever, seperate from the first two that, fucks up cardio-those are basic fundamentals of health that are thrown out of whack and probably (this is all guesswork) compromise based on their specific effects.
...
So, as for all steroids compromise the immune system, nothing is simple like that but wouldn't it be more likely that responsible use mitigates negative effects or even enhances the positive?
...just hypothesizing.

Yes and no.
Of course, taking a hypogonadal male into “normal” ranges with testosterone should be systemically beneficial. That said, we keep seeing really weird shit right now where androgen deprivation therapy (both testosterone and DHT levels being reduced to nearly hypo levels) is proving beneficial for men in the process of fighting off this particular virus.
Why? I have no fucking clue. The current posited idea is that SARS-CoV-2 has some currently unknown interactions with androgen receptors.
Outside of that, he was asking about cycles, so the general assumption would be that we’re talking about supraphysiological levels.

[Bigbadwolf250]

Yes and no.
Of course, taking a hypogonadal male into “normal” ranges with testosterone should be systemically beneficial. That said, we keep seeing really weird shit right now where androgen deprivation therapy (both testosterone and DHT levels being reduced to nearly hypo levels) is proving beneficial for men in the process of fighting off this particular virus.
Why? I have no fucking clue. The current posited idea is that SARS-CoV-2 has some currently unknown interactions with androgen receptors.
Outside of that, he was asking about cycles, so the general assumption would be that we’re talking about supraphysiological levels.

Real good info. I'm in the first responder line of work. Planning on 300 test 300 mast. Wanted to throw in 25 mg tren a eod. But not sure if that's gonna hinder my immune system with me be around covid patients and such

[Gallowmere]

Real good info. I'm in the first responder line of work. Planning on 300 test 300 mast. Wanted to throw in 25 mg tren a eod. But not sure if that's gonna hinder my immune system with me be around covid patients and such

Honestly, if I were in your line of work, I’d probably reconsider my originally stated stance on cycling. I spend 95+% of my life in close contact with all of three people, as my working environment is a bit of a solo deal well away (500+’) from even my co-workers.
As such, my risk for contracting much of anything is absurdly minuscule. The getting hit by a car thing is far more likely for me.

[Bigbadwolf250]

Honestly, if I were in your line of work, I’d probably reconsider my originally stated stance on cycling. I spend 95+% of my life in close contact with all of three people, as my working environment is a bit of a solo deal well away (500+’) from even my co-workers.
As such, my risk for contracting much of anything is absurdly minuscule. The getting hit by a car thing is far more likely for me.

Been cruising on 200 test but really want to do a blast. Would wait till this dies down but who knows how long that will be. But also don't want to jeopardize my health

[Windex]

From my personal experience, Tren causes systemic inflammation.

[Bigbadwolf250]

From my personal experience, Tren causes systemic inflammation.

Hm so probably not smart to run then?
What about mast?

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Your immune system is built from proteins so I can only theorize that taking pure anabolics with little to no androgenic activity would bolster your immune system. So stuff like primo and nandrolone . Throw in a couple ius of HGH for good measure.

[Bigbadwolf250]

Your immune system is built from proteins so I can only theorize that taking pure anabolics with little to no androgenic activity would bolster your immune system. So stuff like primo and nandrolone. Throw in a couple ius of HGH for good measure.

So stuff like tren and mast would hinder it?

[i_SLAM_cougars]

So stuff like tren and mast would hinder it?

Well, at higher dosages Tren stimulates your nervous system pretty hard. How much this actually hinders your immune system I couldn’t tell you. Probably not anymore than lifting heavy six days a week already does. Then it might start messing with your sleep. So when you add all those things together, it definitely puts you at a disadvantage for fighting off a bug

[Bigbadwolf250]

Well, at higher dosages Tren stimulates your nervous system pretty hard. How much this actually hinders your immune system I couldn’t tell you. Probably not anymore than lifting heavy six days a week already does. Then it might start messing with your sleep. So when you add all those things together, it definitely puts you at a disadvantage for fighting off a bug

True good points was only thinking of running it 25 mgs EOD. So would you say better to hold off of it?

[i_SLAM_cougars]

That’s really up to you. I can’t make that decision for you.

I will add that whatever you decide to do it would be a good idea to get a healthy dose of vitamin C, zinc, and magnesium everyday to help you out. Getting enough sleep will go a long way as well

[Fireguy1990]

That’s really up to you. I can’t make that decision for you.

I will add that whatever you decide to do it would be a good idea to get a healthy dose of vitamin C, zinc, and magnesium everyday to help you out. Getting enough sleep will go a long way as well

Running test and mast now and loving it

[Fireguy1990]

Running test and mast now and loving it

[Bigbadwolf250]

Damn about to head to gym and not sure to just pin mast. Pin mast and tren . Or pop a anavar and pin mast or all 3 haha

[AR's King Silabolin]

How harsh is tren on the immune system. I know aas does hinder our immune system so think tren would be the harshest of them all.

Any of you guys holding back on your cycle due to the coronavirus stuff going around?

I dont think they degrades immunsystem. I rare get sick while cycling as long as i add vit D and garlic.

But vert often i got sick few weeks after. So i think low t, makes u sick. If u manage to keep t border high year round, u should be ok if ur able to not tax CNS too much.

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[charger69]

From my personal experience, Tren causes systemic inflammation.

Systemic inflammation??


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[BG]

Tren is very bad. You have to remember you don’t sleep well and have a tendency to over train from all the energy it gives you. I wouldn’t sleep at night but still have crazy energy, that’s what makes you have so much aggression, over tired but juiced up. It’s very hard on your cns and if your cns isn’t functioning properly it breaks down your immune system and slows recovery.

[Dgs59]

In short, us on aas might not survive zombie apocalypse, just wanted to put it out there

[charger69]

Tren is very bad. You have to remember you don’t sleep well and have a tendency to over train from all the energy it gives you. I wouldn’t sleep at night but still have crazy energy, that’s what makes you have so much aggression, over tired but juiced up. It’s very hard on your cns and if your cns isn’t functioning properly it breaks down your immune system and slows recovery.

How dare you use the word tren in vain???
Crazy energy and aggression is what we are here for.

Putting all joking aside, I run tren usually in precomp when I’m on a caloric deficit, usually low carbs, fasted cardio, etc. I run a pretty high dose and I can’t wait until the cycle is done. Sometimes it’s a necessary evil.


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[killionb12]

How dare you use the word tren in vain???
Crazy energy and aggression is what we are here for.

Putting all joking aside, I run tren usually in precomp when I’m on a caloric deficit, usually low carbs, fasted cardio, etc. I run a pretty high dose and I can’t wait until the cycle is done. Sometimes it’s a necessary evil.


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Ditto! I couldn’t agree more. Honestly I probably won’t ever run Tren again. I was a zombie until I got off of Tren. No energy but aggression was there.


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[BG]

How dare you use the word tren in vain???
Crazy energy and aggression is what we are here for.

Putting all joking aside, I run tren usually in precomp when I’m on a caloric deficit, usually low carbs, fasted cardio, etc. I run a pretty high dose and I can’t wait until the cycle is done. Sometimes it’s a necessary evil.


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WAIT A MINUTE!!

I was referencing the og question that it was bad on the immune system.....not bad a bad compound......I was a tren monster!!

[charger69]

WAIT A MINUTE!!

I was referencing the og question that it was bad on the immune system.....not bad a bad compound......I was a tren monster!!

LOL I am just screwing with you!


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[redz]

I believe diet and supplementation still plays a bigger roll in this.