Looking for advice on first cycle

**MakoShark** · 07-30-2020, 09:56 AM

Hey, everybody. Obviously I’m new here and am prepared to start my first cycle. I’ve been researching for what seems like years before I’ve decided to go for it. I have been lifting (at times competitively) for about 12 years. I have also been a professional athlete for the past 10+ years and once I hang them up, I’ll be starting my first cycle.

My diet has been on point for years due to my profession and my base is pretty solid. I have read the “my first cycle” sticky and really absorbed the information. My metrics are as follows:
30 years old
6’3
205
Hover between 7-10%BF
Last bod pod was ~60%MM

After all the research and advice I am split between one of these two cycles. Just hoping to hear which one you guys would suggest/prefer.

Week 1-10 - 100mg-150mg test prop EOD
Week 1-10 Arimidex .25mg EOD
Week 1-10 HCG 250iu 2xweek (500iu total)
OR
Week 1-10 Test E 250mg 2xweek (500mg/week total)
Week 1-10 Arimidex .25mg EOD
Week 1-10 HCG 250iu 2xweek (500iu total)

PCT 4 weeks
Week 1 clomid 75mg nolvadex 40mg
Week2-4 clomid 50mg nolvadex 20mg
Week 1-4 Arimidex .25mg EOD
Week 1-4 HCG 250iu 2xweek (500iu total)

NAC and Milk Thistle Every day

One other thing I’m extremely tempted to do is add Anavar (Week 6-10 anavar 50mg/day) or Winstrol (Week 5-10 - 50mg/day winstrol) to the cycle but I know everyone says Test only for first cycle.

Any and all feedback is appreciated. Just looking to be on the right path. Some have suggested not to implement the Dex immediately but rather have it on hand just in case.
Thanks

**Capebuffalo** · 07-30-2020, 10:03 AM

Either one looks good. More pins with prop. As for dex. I would hold off unless needed. But if you do I wouldn’t start it until week 3-4.

**Test Monsterone** · 07-30-2020, 10:12 AM

I would skip the prop because of post injection pain and high frequency of administration. It will kick in faster than Test E, so, if anything, I would start with prop and test E at the same time/doses, and start tapering off prop at around 4 weeks, and be done around 6 weeks, continuing with Test E throughout the cycle.

The common thing is to tell people to wait and see if you will need an AI like Arimidex . Estrogen makes you grow, so it's not bad to have it elevated during a cycle. For me, I would do .25 mg arimidex 2x a week because I hold water, but I have more body fat than you. Since you have such low body fat levels, you may not convert test into estrogen at the same rate as me, so you may not need an AI at all. Everyone is different, so you have to analyze how you feel and go from there.

Can't give you any advice for PCT because I never came off completely once I decided to be on. Be mindful of the fact that you may damage your HPTA permanently, causing low/lowered natural testosterone levels . PCT is not a guarantee, and many believe it's just delaying the inevitable (in a sense), as you are still supplementing with drugs that create a negative feedback loop for your hormones.

I would leave the Anavar alone for now. Get used to how test feels.

BG · 07-30-2020, 10:19 AM

Pct is good and so is the hcg . My old training partner always did PCT and ran hCG for two months after PCT and he kept his natural levels at 600. I’ve seen it work well when done right

**charger69** · 07-30-2020, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by MakoShark

Hey, everybody. Obviously I’m new here and am prepared to start my first cycle. I’ve been researching for what seems like years before I’ve decided to go for it. I have been lifting (at times competitively) for about 12 years. I have also been a professional athlete for the past 10+ years and once I hang them up, I’ll be starting my first cycle.

My diet has been on point for years due to my profession and my base is pretty solid. I have read the “my first cycle” sticky and really absorbed the information. My metrics are as follows:
30 years old
6’3
205
Hover between 7-10%BF
Last bod pod was ~60%MM

After all the research and advice I am split between one of these two cycles. Just hoping to hear which one you guys would suggest/prefer.

Week 1-10 - 100mg-150mg test prop EOD
Week 1-10 Arimidex .25mg EOD
Week 1-10 HCG 250iu 2xweek (500iu total)
OR
Week 1-10 Test E 250mg 2xweek (500mg/week total)
Week 1-10 Arimidex .25mg EOD
Week 1-10 HCG 250iu 2xweek (500iu total)

PCT 4 weeks
Week 1 clomid 75mg nolvadex 40mg
Week2-4 clomid 50mg nolvadex 20mg
Week 1-4 Arimidex .25mg EOD
Week 1-4 HCG 250iu 2xweek (500iu total)

NAC and Milk Thistle Every day

One other thing I’m extremely tempted to do is add Anavar (Week 6-10 anavar 50mg/day) or Winstrol (Week 5-10 - 50mg/day winstrol) to the cycle but I know everyone says Test only for first cycle.

Any and all feedback is appreciated. Just looking to be on the right path. Some have suggested not to implement the Dex immediately but rather have it on hand just in case.
Thanks

At your level of test, I would not take an AI unless you are gyno prone.
I don’t do PCT but I wouldn’t take Hcg during PCT. you want your natural production to start up.

I also would not take milk thistle while on cycle . I have read that it decreases the effectiveness of the AAS.
At your body fat, I would leave the var and Winnie out.

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**Booz** · 07-30-2020, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by charger69

At your level of test, I would not take an AI unless you are gyno prone.
I don’t do PCT but I wouldn’t take Hcg during PCT. you want your natural production to start up.

I also would not take milk thistle while on cycle . I have read that it decreases the effectiveness of the AAS.
At your body fat, I would leave the var and Winnie out.

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Second what charger states about the milk thistle as I’ve read the same thing......

**beanpo1e** · 07-30-2020, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by charger69

At your level of test, I would not take an AI unless you are gyno prone.
I don’t do PCT but I wouldn’t take Hcg during PCT. you want your natural production to start up.

I also would not take milk thistle while on cycle . I have read that it decreases the effectiveness of the AAS.
At your body fat, I would leave the var and Winnie out.

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Why do you say leave the var and Winnie due at his body fat? Are they not as useful at lower body fat percentages?

**beanpo1e** · 07-30-2020, 12:20 PM

When could milk thistle still be a helpful supplement for liver support?

**MakoShark** · 07-31-2020, 11:05 AM

This is all great Info. Thanks, everyone. I’ll keep the dex on hand but won’t implement unless necessary. Also will take out the milk thistle.

Anybody know how Celebrex would affect things? I have early onset arthritis from multiple meniscus surgeries during my career. Should I be cutting that out as well? I know it isn’t good for the body as is but not sure if it would impact the efficacy of the cycle.