Post radiation therapy cycle Test C & Anadrol?

[Naniki68]

Hi All. First post here. I am a 52 year old male. 5'9 145 pounds. I am currently sitting at around 8.8% body fat. I have been training my entire adult life and have completed multiple cycles of varying stacks with test and Dbol , among others starting way back in my late 20's as a Marine. My most recent cycle was completed last spring of 2019. At that point I weighed 195 and was at my strongest ever with a bench of 420lbs. I rarely quote stats for deads and squats, as my aged back only allows me to do maintenance training in these areas. To the point. I was diagnosed with oropharyngeal cancer of the tongue in February of 2020 and completed 35 radiation session in May. The after effects were devastating to my lean mass and fat reserves, as indicated by my current weight. My diet at the time of diagnosis was strict carnivore diet with protein supplements and the usual others of vitamins, creatine, milk thistle etc. Now I am looking at trying to regain up to 170 pounds (25 lbs) of lean mass and have acquired from my usual trusted source test c and anadrol . My question is will 200mg/ per week and 50mg daily get me to my goal with a 4 day per week routine for size addressing chest, tri's, calves Monday / Back, bi's, abs Tuesday/ shoulders, traps, calves Thursday / Legs, abs Friday. All are 4 sets of 12-15 reps utilizing a standard rest pause to fail on 4th sets. Current diet is 3200 - 3500 calories split 40 / 40 / 20 protein / carb/ fat. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

[SampsonandDelilah]

Congrats on your battle with cancer you are a warrior and thank you for your service to our country. I just read your stats and felt compelled to reply. I just finished 40 sessions of radiation and 10 weeks of chemo. I know your pain and I share in the devastation of what you went through.

I was using TRT dosages of test during my treatment and still lost 30 pounds. The fatigue in the gym is what gets me but I’m only 5 weeks out.

I’m planning on blasting 500 mgs a week and running deca at 250 and mast at 250. I would rely more on the test than the orals, although they will give you a jumpstart. At 200 mgs a week that’s more of a hormone replacement schedule and not a cycle.

Have you thought about getting your natural test levels checked? I’m sure you’d qualify and you could blast and cruise. What’s you plan for PCT or do you cruise now?

Again, you are a fucking warrior and nothing can get in your way. I would think about upping your test and thinking about your plan following post cycle.
Feel free to PM as well if I can help.

[Naniki68]

Thank you Sampsonanddelilah. Exactly what I was looking for. I agree that the volumes I mentioned are minimalistic to a therapeutic point and to be honest, 300mg/wk of test is the most I have ever used in conjunction with an oral. I've had the blood work done a handful of times in the past, prior to the radiation and cancer ordeal and was originally prescribed maintenance levels. Of course I added higher dosages and got satisfactory results then, but now at 145 pounds, I consider this a near emergency situation. So I'll double the test to 400 for 12 to 16 weeks and drop the anadrol between weeks five and six. As far as PCT, clomid is the only thing I have ever taken and that was prescribed. Not sure if I have just been lucky or too stubborn to acknowledge my own lack of education. If you have a suggestion, I'll take it and follow it. I really appreciate some input from folks with greater knowledge than my own. I truly doubt I'll ever regain the strength levels I achieved in the past, but I know I can benefit from and easily carry another 25 or 30 pounds of lean mass at my age.

[MakoShark]

As a fellow cancer survivor (Chemo and radiation) just here to say you’re a warrior. Use that second chance at life to do everything to the absolute fullest and be a real difference maker in the world! Hell yeah. And good luck on your cycle.

[SampsonandDelilah]

I’m not sure what your thoughts are being on prescribed testosterone replacement therapy but I think it would behoove you to look into it. Yes, you need to find the right doc and you need to be prepared for weekly injections for life but it’s a game changer and you’ll be far less susceptible to the peaks and valleys of cycling.

That being said, I would run your anadrol for 4-6 weeks (I have not run bombs personally but have used Var and D bol with much success) have your ancillaries on hand - nolvadex ) and I would bump the test to 500 mgs a week and would run it out to 12-16 weeks depending on how you feel and see if you plateau or not.

In order to maximize your gains and not balloon and deflate, PCT is paramount. I used to run the standard Clomid/ Nolvadex afterwards but switched to TRT and then go back to my maintenance dose (cruise) after my blast (cycle).

Given your age (I’m 45) recovery becomes a bigger challenge and the recovering properly is what will help you hold those gains. I would head to the PCT section and read up on the best PCT options and timing.
99.9% of the time it will involve clomid/nolva and HCG .

Lean on asking good questions and working the network on this forum. There are TONS of “vets” that fall into our age bracket that are willing to help, my guess is they may be hesitant to offer up advice given the treatments you’ve faced, which is why I’m here to offer all of the support I can (having just been through it myself). Spend some time in the lounge as well...there’s a weight loss comp going on right now that may be inspiring (I know we want weight gain) but encouraging nonetheless and an opportunity to gain insights and friends within this community.

As Mako said, you’re a fucking warrior and a Marine. There is nothing that can stop you!


Homework- head to the PCT section, read the lounge and ask questions and read!

I have your back to the best of my abilities.

Fuck cancer

[SampsonandDelilah]

PCT - https://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/

Lounge - https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...ic-discussion/

[Windex]

I would recommend using Deca instead of Anadrol if you have that option. The other compound to consider is Primobolan .

[Naniki68]

Thanks Mako, I really appreciate the encouragement!

[Naniki68]

I would recommend using Deca instead of Anadrol if you have that option. The other compound to consider is Primobolan.

I will read up on it, So far i have seen a handful of posts complaining of Anadrol having some adverse sides with fatigue. Thanks.

[SampsonandDelilah]

You’ll grow like a weed running just test for 12 weeks. No need to overthink or over complicate it. Read the stickies here and others “proposed cycles”. I’d spend more time on figuring out your recovery plan to keep those gains.
You have your training and nutrition down and wisdom and muscle memory on your side. Utilize them to your advantage.

Be kind to yourself and be patient, isn’t that beauty of getting older? Young bull vs Old bull.

Walk down and fuck all those cows...

[BG]

Do you guys worry about using gear right after being diagnose with cancer? Did you do any research on gear promoting tumor growth and feeding cancer cells?

I’m just wondering if there would be issues, I haven’t really read to much on the subject. I know gh promotes tumor growth and I believe cancer cells also but it’s been as long time.

[BG]

I tip my hat to you all, I only fight skin cancer and that scares the crap out of me considering many in my family have past because of cancer including my mom when she was only 44. Well done

[SampsonandDelilah]

Do you guys worry about using gear right after being diagnose with cancer? Did you do any research on gear promoting tumor growth and feeding cancer cells?

I’m just wondering if there would be issues, I haven’t really read to much on the subject. I know gh promotes tumor growth and I believe cancer cells also but it’s been as long time.

Of course I do. I also worry about pesticides, plastics, environmental exposure and carcinogens when I’m grilling. Cancer had given me a hyper sensitivity to so many things. Running oils doesn’t scare me as much as orals mostly due to the “fillers” that are used. GH definitely gives me pause for concern as well. My oncologist was ok with me continuing TRT while going through treatments and I honestly believe having higher levels of test helped me more than hurt.

To put it succinctly, yes I have concerns. My hope is the the cells were eradicated during treatments and there’s nothing left to fuel. Won’t know for sure until September when I get my first scan which is why I’m holding off until then. Fingers crossed...

[MakoShark]

To put it succinctly, yes I have concerns. My hope is the the cells were eradicated during treatments and there’s nothing left to fuel. Won’t know for sure until September when I get my first scan which is why I’m holding off until then. Fingers crossed...

Spot on here. When you’re done with all of your treatment (particularly after 1-5 years cancer free) the general consensus amongst oncologists is that that particular cancer has a very very low probability of recurrence.

Absolutely correct in terms of abnormal cell growth though. We constantly have cancer cells and other cells growing in our body that our immune system codes to negate. It is the mutation rates of cells that increase cancer probability. So the greater rate of cellular proliferation or cellular death/reproduction increases the possibility of mutation that could end up cancerous. However this is the case with everything (smoking, sunlight, drinking Etc.) So ultimately it’s luck or the draw - some go their whole life smoking a pack a day and never get the mutation that turns cancerous.

This is why blood work and staying in tune to yo body throughout this whole process is extremely important. Hope this helps in a very succinct explanation of cancer biology.

[Naniki68]

Well now those are better detailed explanations than I have received or could offer. I did discuss this with my oncologist as well and he had no issue with the idea of continuing TRT at prescribed levels. In fact, there is clinical research pointing to TRT as a valid post colon cancer treatment with high percentage rates of success vs control groups. All of you guys are incredibly helpful, not only with information, but motivation as well. I am in the right place!

[SampsonandDelilah]

Well now those are better detailed explanations than I have received or could offer. I did discuss this with my oncologist as well and he had no issue with the idea of continuing TRT at prescribed levels. In fact, there is clinical research pointing to TRT as a valid post colon cancer treatment with high percentage rates of success vs control groups. All of you guys are incredibly helpful, not only with information, but motivation as well. I am in the right place!

You’re certainly in the right place and glad you’re here!

So you’re on TRT now (or plan to?)
Well scratch PCT then, lol. That’ll make life easier and easier to keep your gains as well. Just need to time your “blasts” around your blood work

[Naniki68]

I would recommend using Deca instead of Anadrol if you have that option. The other compound to consider is Primobolan.

Any issue with switching two weeks in?

[SampsonandDelilah]

Any issue with switching two weeks in?

Nope. Deca is notoriously slow to kick in and I prefer to run it longer as a result. The other option is NPP which is a shorter ester that will deliver quicker results but needs an increased injection frequency.

Primo can be used right away as well, just make sure you trust your source and your checking account is stocked