Planning to stop cruising

[Lee_1978]

Hi all,

I've been cruising since the end of February after my last cycle and have been thinking of coming off due to COVID etc. I haven't had access to a gym since March and my gains have suffered and I'm just not sure if it's worth continuing to cruise when my natty test levels were good preceding my last cycle - and the rate things are going, I'm probably not going to be cycling again until well into next year. So the plan would be to run a PCT as below and get back into regular training until my next cycle.

Any thoughts?

Cruising dose

120 mg test e PW

PCT

Weeks 1-4

Clomid - 75/50/50/50
Nolva - 50/20/20/20

[< <Samson> >]

PCT hard & hope for the best

How long have you been on straight?

Gains - well, shit - with hundreds of pushups, a set of dumbbells & a lot of patience I have kept myself in very close to gym condition - shit, even with my little “medical mishap”

[xxblazenlowxx]

How old are you?

[Octaneforce]

Run some hcg before you start pct

[magic32]

Sounds like a solid plan, but there's no need for both SERMS.

Even in harsh multi-compound cycles, they both perform the same receptor blocking function on the same tissue types, i.e., both have been clinically proven to select and modulate (exert a modifying or controlling influence on) the SAME estrogen receptors, making the employment of both compounds superflous. Of course this doesn't stop many bb'ers from the sheep-like behavior of superstitiously taking both for their own peace of mind, which won't hurt. However, it's better to defer in such instances to science rather than conjectural, albeit, consensus/popular opinion. They are quite analogous to Coke and Pepsi, that is two high quality colas which satisfy the same Cola desire in negligibly different ways. It comes down to preference, the sweeter Pepsi (Nolva of which less is required dosage-wise to satiate the sweet tooth) or the more tart Coke (Clomid which takes more to satiate)...metaphorically speaking of course.

Furthermore, Octane recommended HCG , which isn't bad advice. However, I'm a PRN guy. Consequently, I'd say only add ancilary compounds AS NEEDED, i.e., 'when necessary', unless of course previous cycleSS (intentionally and emphatically plural - don't decide after just one) have dictated a CLEAR propensity for specific problems or sensitivity inclinations towards specific conditions, i.e., acne/shacne/bacne, gyno, mood swings, excessive bloating, etc.

NOTE: Keep an eye on your local government, as gyms are reopening with greater frequency lately.

Best to you.

[jstone]

Sounds like a solid plan, but there's no need for both SERMS.

Even in harsh multi-compound cycles, they both perform the same receptor blocking function on the same tissue types, i.e., both have been clinically proven to select and modulate (exert a modifying or controlling influence on) the SAME estrogen receptors, making the employment of both compounds superflous. Of course this doesn't stop many bb'ers from the sheep-like behavior of superstitiously taking both for their own peace of mind, which won't hurt. However, it's better to defer in such instances to science rather than conjectural, albeit, consensus/popular opinion. They are quite analogous to Coke and Pepsi, that is two high quality colas which satisfy the same Cola desire in negligibly different ways. It comes down to preference, the sweeter Pepsi (Nolva of which less is required dosage-wise to satiate the sweet tooth) or the more tart Coke (Clomid which takes more to satiate)...metaphorically speaking of course.

Furthermore, Octane recommended HCG , which isn't bad advice. However, I'm a PRN guy. Consequently, I'd say only add ancilary compounds AS NEEDED, i.e., 'when necessary', unless of course previous cycleSS (intentionally and emphatically plural - don't decide after just one) have dictated a CLEAR propensity for specific problems or sensitivity inclinations towards specific conditions, i.e., acne/shacne/bacne, gyno, mood swings, excessive bloating, etc.

NOTE: Keep an eye on your local government, as gyms are reopening with greater frequency lately.

Best to you.

he isnt doing this for cycle support he is running a pct. All the top experts include both in there pct protocols.

[Lee_1978]

PCT hard & hope for the best

How long have you been on straight?

Gains - well, shit - with hundreds of pushups, a set of dumbbells & a lot of patience I have kept myself in very close to gym condition - shit, even with my little “medical mishap”

I started my last cycle which was 10 weeks back in January, and then segued into cruising.

[Lee_1978]

Run some hcg before you start pct

i've been on HCG since I started my cycle back in January, so I hope this will mitigate any issues.

[Lee_1978]

How old are you?

I'm 41.

[< <Samson> >]

Y even come off?

U think natural 41 year old male test levels can be good enough?

I thought about coming off, but my levels weren’t good at all to start with

[xxblazenlowxx]

Your 41 and been cruising for 6 months now you want to come off to go back on in 6 months or so?

At 41 I think it woukd be best to get on trt and once thats disled in you can blast.

If you dont want to do trt i would go with the aggressive pct And dont do steriods anymore.

The yoyo effect your putting yourself through is no good and your probably not going to keep much.

Also at 41 and cruising for 6 months I wonder what your natural test levels will be after pct.

Good luck

[< <Samson> >]

^ this, pretty much

But, it kinda brings me to another question a bit - what about stopping completely, let’s say for 2 months out of the year - then just getting back on

I heard this from a couple of old school juicers - the idea is to get your organs straight & jump back on before you really feel the dip from pulling the roids

[xxblazenlowxx]

Ive heard something similar has to do with myostatin, these same guys are against high dose cruises for same reason.

[Lee_1978]

Y even come off?

U think natural 41 year old male test levels can be good enough?

I thought about coming off, but my levels weren’t good at all to start with

My bloods prior to my last cycle which I started in January where 661 ng/dl - pretty good after 5 cycles I would say.

I guess i'll only know what effect 8 months of being shut down will have on my test levels by coming off completely.

[Lee_1978]

Your 41 and been cruising for 6 months now you want to come off to go back on in 6 months or so?

At 41 I think it woukd be best to get on trt and once thats disled in you can blast.

If you dont want to do trt i would go with the aggressive pct And dont do steriods anymore.

The yoyo effect your putting yourself through is no good and your probably not going to keep much.

Also at 41 and cruising for 6 months I wonder what your natural test levels will be after pct.

Good luck

Indeed, I'll definitely be cycling again - but no immediate or foreseeable plans.

My gains have suffered so much without having training as a result of the recent shit storm, I can't see the point in cruising, when the point is to maintain excess muscle mass your natty levels can't do?

[< <Samson> >]

My bloods prior to my last cycle which I started in January where 661 ng/dl - pretty good after 5 cycles I would say.

I guess i'll only know what effect 8 months of being shut down will have on my test levels by coming off completely.

I def agree with this, if you’re ok with it - come off - at least for a while