Safest gear stack

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-07-2020, 09:08 AM

By this I mean, the least sides, and 'dry gains.'

Now that I'm older, I can't do tren like I used to anymore unless super low dose at 200mg/ Going to 400mg, I have experienced my entire back feels like it was hit by a car, nose bleeds, and a lot of anxiety. At 200 I was fine, but I'm def gonna have to keep this substance to use later during a cut, right now it's just not worth it.

So what can I take now to gain muscle, slowly is fine, with the least sides and along with a feeling of euphoria and well being.

I'm on TRT for life, so should I just be doing "mini cycles" using DHT derivatives?

test/var
test/primo (if I can get real which I doubt)
test/winny

should I do the good old test deca or NPP?

**Cuz** · 12-07-2020, 10:47 AM

So you went from 200mg a week to 400 mg tren a week and now you are wanting to know the safest stack possible? Sounds legit lol

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-07-2020, 11:26 AM

I did 200mg for 10 weeks, then decided to go 400mg, only has been like 2 weeks of that and I can't deal.

**Cuz** · 12-07-2020, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser

I did 200mg for 10 weeks, then decided to go 400mg, only has been like 2 weeks of that and I can't deal.

Right... i can totally understand that. I bet you knew it was legit tren .

Test var primo sounds like a good overrall combination or test var mast . There’s really no set answer since we all can react a tad differently. Id do something like that i think you’re on the right track

**Charlie67** · 12-07-2020, 02:33 PM

Test/Primo would be my top choice. Expensive, but works really well for me. Alternatively, and cheaper, Test/Mast but I tend not to run Mast longer than 10-12 weeks because my prostate is as old as I am.... coincidentally enough.

Var and Winny never really did anything for me... assuming it was good gear, but you never know.

**Fluidic Kimbo** · 12-07-2020, 03:06 PM

Easiest cycle of all time for a male is 50mg Anavar . You can get away with that for about 2 months before you notice a reduction in libido.(Or at least I can).

One step up from it would be something like:
120mg Test Enanthate e3d (i.e. 280mg per week)
80mg Anavar ed

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-07-2020, 06:36 PM

Sounds good guys.

I'll just TRT for life and just switch the compounds you mentioned around.

I'd love to get my hands on primo, but everyone who speaks bout it claims it is fake.

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-07-2020, 07:09 PM

But what are good primo dosages... I've heard people go up to 600-800, but then when I look at pros taking it, they are only doing 300, or like arnold's day "one shot" a week. I feel like people take so much gear because gear is watered down so UGL makes profits.

**Test Monsterone** · 12-07-2020, 07:15 PM

I think part of it is nobody admits how much they really take. Maybe on here we do cause we're anonymous, but the pros probably lie a lot. I personally don't think most reputable labs underdose their gear much, if at all.

I think whatever steroids you can tolerate is what you should take. Just be smart and do real TRT, not 250 mg/week like some people do. I mean 100-200 mg/week. Over 150/week is not TRT imo, but to each their own.

**Cuz** · 12-07-2020, 09:25 PM

I prefer my ugl test over what i get at the pharmacy. The only pharm grade test i like is pfizer and it costs alot, other than that i grab the ugl in the cabinet every time. Not saying all ugls are better than pharm they damn sure aint.

I dont believe a fuckin word any pro says regarding gear, thats just me. Im a long way from being a pro but im honest with my dosing on here. Thats all i can say it but it doesnt mean anything

**Honkey_Kong** · 12-08-2020, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser

But what are good primo dosages... I've heard people go up to 600-800, but then when I look at pros taking it, they are only doing 300, or like arnold's day "one shot" a week. I feel like people take so much gear because gear is watered down so UGL makes profits.

The bodybuilders from the 70's would lie all the time about even using gear and when they would admit to it, they would only admit to small dosages. Now I have no idea if they're being honest about how much they really took. But based on my experiences and the experiences of others, I tend to believe that they were all lying through their teeth.

Sure, there are UGLs that "water down" their gear. People do get burned (and they got burned a lot even back then too). But I'd say, if you find a good source selling stuff made from good labs, the gear is going to be dosed pretty good.

As far as pros who admitted using primo go, I can tell you that Greg Doucette said he has ran 1000 mg of primo (injectable form) a week for 10 weeks before (and only gained 2lbs from it).

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-08-2020, 08:26 AM

I do believe some of the pros when they say they don't take much. Remember, you are dealing with the genetic elite on planet earth who are hyper responsive to things and have insane genetics to begin with. Dorian who said he took 1 gram of test and 500 deca , has no reason to lie. There is night and day between UGL and pharm. best I ever looked in my life was 200 Rx cyp on it's own; compare that to all the insane dosages I did with UGL when I looked like crap. So imagine 1 gram of Rx test. I have a few friends who are pro card holders and haven't gone higher than 750 test. Everyone is different. Some guys don't respond and need to take a ton of gear because their genetics suck. It all comes down to genetics.

**Cuz** · 12-08-2020, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser

I do believe some of the pros when they say they don't take much. Remember, you are dealing with the genetic elite on planet earth who are hyper responsive to things and have insane genetics to begin with. Dorian who said he took 1 gram of test and 500 deca, has no reason to lie. There is night and day between UGL and pharm. best I ever looked in my life was 200 Rx cyp on it's own; compare that to all the insane dosages I did with UGL when I looked like crap. So imagine 1 gram of Rx test. I have a few friends who are pro card holders and haven't gone higher than 750 test. Everyone is different. Some guys don't respond and need to take a ton of gear because their genetics suck. It all comes down to genetics.

Why do you ask for advice and opinions when you already know everything. Lol, well good luck. Maybe you’re “pro card holder” friends can show you how to put on some size. Oh but its all genetics...

**tarmyg** · 12-08-2020, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Cuz

Why do you ask for advice and opinions when you already know everything. Lol, well good luck. Maybe you’re “pro card holder” friends can show you how to put on some size. Oh but its all genetics...

My size comes in a vial with calories attached but that's just me!

**JuliusPleaser** · 12-08-2020, 10:17 AM

I'm saying its genetics when it comes to RESPONSE to drugs, why some can get away using less than others.

**Yard_Dog** · 12-08-2020, 04:16 PM

Safety, Test and Eq. Some on here don't like Eq. The biggest side is the RBC sky rockets. Simple solution, donate. Aside from that you build smooth hard muscle. It's "AI" properties aren't horrible either.

**Ernst** · 12-08-2020, 04:53 PM

I recently wrapped up 200mg/wk test with 60mg/ed of anavar .

F-ing love that stack, pretty mild overall but just so damn awesome.

**Fluidic Kimbo** · 12-09-2020, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Ernst

I recently wrapped up 200mg/wk test with 60mg/ed of anavar .

F-ing love that stack, pretty mild overall but just so damn awesome.

You keep 100% gains on that stack.

**warchild** · 12-12-2020, 07:45 AM

Test & hgh.

**redz** · 12-12-2020, 10:56 AM

Test with Deca yields very little sides especially if you are always on TRT my body loves Deca. Even 900mg with low test gives me no sides.

**DustMan** · 12-15-2020, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by redz

Test with Deca yields very little sides especially if you are always on TRT my body loves Deca. Even 900mg with low test gives me no sides.

Are you taking any AI's, SERM's, Caber, or anything else like that alongside? How low of Test are we talking here? I'm playing with the idea of adding Deca to my TRT, just looking for experiences / advice.

**Gallowmere** · 12-15-2020, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by DustMan

Are you taking any AI's, SERM's, Caber, or anything else like that alongside? How low of Test are we talking here? I'm playing with the idea of adding Deca to my TRT, just looking for experiences / advice.

I’ve personally had Deca as part of my HRT regimen for going on a year and a half now. I just held an even split of 100 test and 100 deca per week.
I noticed no side effects from doing so, outside of a trivial increase in overall body weight without any kind of concomitant increase in caloric intake.
The benefits have been notable, the most important of which for me is much more rapid dermal wound healing. I work in the paving industry, so I regularly get second degree burns on my arms and hands. The healing of these wounds has been better than halved since adding in the nandrolone .
Another is that the plantar fasciitis in my left foot became far less pronounced in its pain level.

**jacobjacobo86** · 12-17-2020, 01:29 AM

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**NiceGuyResearcher** · 12-17-2020, 08:09 AM

somebody get o.c.-man some drugz lol...jk smh...how old are u? datz how they do it in organ county, kalifornia?

**NiceGuyResearcher** · 12-17-2020, 08:14 AM

How about just Test E? liv. 52 to protect ur liver.... lots of water. milk thistle. a back to basics program. it will shock ur system since maybe you haven't been on it for a while. plus it's safe . Pro bodybuilder Greg Doucette, says Test E. is all u need.