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    Not recommended deca with nolvadex (Tamoxifen)

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    I need confirm by experiences here .

    Is there any conflict on course deca with nolvadex .

    Assuming course 3 months is :

    Test E 500 (weekly divided 2) 1w-12w
    Deca 300 (weekly div 2 ) 1w-11w

    is not recommended to use Nolvadex (Tamoxifen ) as an anti-estrogen ONLY on course DEC Also during PCT .

    In that case is Preferred to change Tamoxifen to Toremifene .

    because Nolvadex increases the sensitivity of the progesterone receptors in the body.

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    No conflict.
    Nolva is a serm. It may be classified as an anti-estrogen but that's only due to it's site specific targeting (breast).
    Your estrogen will still rise while running nolva.
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    ^^

    Can I suggest to use Toremifene instead of Tamoxifen
    ؟ also Toremifene is SERM . "I know Tamoxifen better than Toremifene but both is SERM"

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    Run what you think you need based on your experience.
    Many guys won't need AI's or serms at those doses, others will.
    Some guys like higher E2 and feel gains are better that way, others don't.
    Me personally, I'm a fan of low dose nolva on cycle @ 10 mgs per day and often a very low dose AI as well depending on dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owias View Post
    Hi All

    I need confirm by experiences here .

    Is there any conflict on course deca with nolvadex .

    Assuming course 3 months is :

    Test E 500 (weekly divided 2) 1w-12w
    Deca 300 (weekly div 2 ) 1w-11w

    is not recommended to use Nolvadex (Tamoxifen ) as an anti-estrogen ONLY on course DEC Also during PCT .

    In that case is Preferred to change Tamoxifen to Toremifene .

    because Nolvadex increases the sensitivity of the progesterone receptors in the body.
    Yeah, I've read studies referring to nolva causing greater expression of PGRs in breast tissue too. Generally though, when you're taking deca, you're also taking something like caber or masteron to inhibit the body from creating prolactin.

    But yeah, I'd probably use an AI while on cycle instead of nolva (in most cases) and like clomid or toremifene for a PCT if you're using deca. Like Kelkel said, Nolva isn't an anti-estrogen. It'll block the effects of estrogen on a selective type of tissue, but not all. And the estrogen is still present.
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    yeah , Caber and Arimidex already included in that course

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    Do you recommend Proviron 25mg or 50mg every day in this course to keep sex drive well

    caber and Arimidex already included .

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    Quote Originally Posted by owias View Post
    Do you recommend Proviron 25mg or 50mg every day in this course to keep sex drive well

    caber and Arimidex already included .
    The thing with proviron, caber and arimidex is you really need to "dial in" the correct dosage as what's right for you depends on the doses of steroids you're taking and what works for somebody else under the same conditions might not work for you (and vise versa). You don't want to completely crash out your estrogen and prolactin levels. So I say use as needed and start your dosing low.
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