Official tren cycle thread

[Meloncap78]

Started 2 weeks ago today at 300mg test cyp (up from 200mg TRT dose) pinned 150mg M & Th. First week was 50mg tren ACE EOD. Second week I switched to 75mg EOD. So far I don’t really notice much other than the first week my BP went up a little. I started a regimen of Hawthorne/magnesium which has brought it down considerably (lower than my off cycle). Other than that maybe a tad more stamina. Here and there I feel a little over energetic but I work a second/third shift and drink a lot of coffee. When does the magic happen. I feel like 300/300 test to tren is a solid first run for the sweet nectar. I am eating at 4000 cals a day as this is a lean bulk cycle for me. Never had my luck bulking on test alone so I’m hoping this will be the one that wows me. I will keep this thread up to date.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

If you are not gaining on 4000 calories then eat 4500 calories...
It really is just that simple.

You are very lean...
Guys like you worry way too much about getting "fat"...
You don't grow because you don't eat.

Tren will speed up your metabolism so you need to eat more just to maintain.
On top of that you are trying to grow.
So you need to eat more times two...

Many on this forum will tell you that it is hard to bulk on tren...
Tren excels in cuts.

Yes you can definitely bulk on tren but you must eat.

[Meloncap78]

If you are not gaining on 4000 calories then eat 4500 calories...
It really is just that simple.

You are very lean...
Guys like you worry way too much about getting "fat"...
You don't grow because you don't eat.

Tren will speed up your metabolism so you need to eat more just to maintain.
On top of that you are trying to grow.
So you need to eat more times two...

Many on this forum will tell you that it is hard to bulk on tren...
Tren excels in cuts.

Yes you can definitely bulk on tren but you must eat.

Thank you sir. In hindsight I should have put this in the members cycles sub. I am pretty sure I am up a pound in the past couple weeks but I attribute that to the calorie intake more than anything. Trust me, last time I bulked years ago it wasn’t pretty lol. I think I have a pic somewhere....... I don’t want to get to this point again. I had to lose 30 pounds to get where I am now.

[Lee_1978]

If you are not gaining on 4000 calories then eat 4500 calories...
It really is just that simple.

You are very lean...
Guys like you worry way too much about getting "fat"...
You don't grow because you don't eat.

Tren will speed up your metabolism so you need to eat more just to maintain.
On top of that you are trying to grow.
So you need to eat more times two...

Many on this forum will tell you that it is hard to bulk on tren...
Tren excels in cuts.

Yes you can definitely bulk on tren but you must eat.

Does high test, low ten change that?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Does high test, low ten change that?

Not claiming to be expert on tren and I powerlift more than bodybuild.
But...

IMO: High test moderate tren would be good for bulking IMO.
If... and only if... you can handle high tren... then
High tren can be used for bulking but...
Tren speeds up your metabolism and causes insomnia and causes upset stomach.
(Plus all you'll want to do is fuck.)
None of those side effects are good for bulking.
But it is a very strong anabolic so in theory if you can overcome sweats, and insomnia, and lack of appetite then you will be able to grow.

Personally I only use tren for strength gains.
I grow will test.

[Meloncap78]

Not claiming to be expert on tren and I powerlift more than bodybuild.
But...

IMO: High test moderate tren would be good for bulking IMO.
If... and only if... you can handle high tren... then
High tren can be used for bulking but...
Tren speeds up your metabolism and causes insomnia and causes upset stomach.
(Plus all you'll want to do is fuck.)
None of those side effects are good for bulking.
But it is a very strong anabolic so in theory if you can overcome sweats, and insomnia, and lack of appetite then you will be able to grow.

Personally I only use tren for strength gains.
I grow will test.

You definitely got the all you wanna do is fuck part right LOL. Right now I am at 400 tren and 700 test. I’ll keep it this way for my last 5 weeks. I’m starting to really feel the mental sides. Just kinda don’t care about anything. Here is a current pic. Sitting at 202 this morning.

[Cuz]

You definitely got the all you wanna do is fuck part right LOL. Right now I am at 400 tren and 700 test. I’ll keep it this way for my last 5 weeks. I’m starting to really feel the mental sides. Just kinda don’t care about anything. Here is a current pic. Sitting at 202 this morning.

Looking pretty good man. Have you done recent bloodwork on 400’tren 700 test?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

You are very lean now...
Eat more...
If you find out that in two or three or four weeks that you are slightly fatter than you want to be then eat a bit less.
You are not going to go from being very lean to 30lbs overweight in one week.
You can stop yourself when you are 2lbs overweight...

[Meloncap78]

You are very lean now...
Eat more...
If you find out that in two or three or four weeks that you are slightly fatter than you want to be then eat a bit less.
You are not going to go from being very lean to 30lbs overweight in one week.
You can stop yourself when you are 2lbs overweight...

Will do. Any advice on what type of programming would best suit me on this cycle. I’m working a PPL right now. My buddy who competes tells me PPL is garbage for someone “my age” and I should be doing a bro split with lighter weights if I want growth. Somehow I’m not so sure this is gospel. I have a pretty weak strength base. 265 bench, 455 DL, 300 squat.

[Honkey_Kong]

Will do. Any advice on what type of programming would best suit me on this cycle. I’m working a PPL right now. My buddy who competes tells me PPL is garbage for someone “my age” and I should be doing a bro split with lighter weights if I want growth. Somehow I’m not so sure this is gospel. I have a pretty weak strength base. 265 bench, 455 DL, 300 squat.

Brown rice, skinless & boneless chicken breast w/ KC Masterpiece BBQ sauce 5-6 times a day and you'll be getting bigger.

[charger69]

Brown rice, skinless & boneless chicken breast w/ KC Masterpiece BBQ sauce 5-6 times a day and you'll be getting bigger.

Sugar overdose with the BBQ sauce. LOL


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[The Deadlifting Dog]

Will do. Any advice on what type of programming would best suit me on this cycle. I’m working a PPL right now. My buddy who competes tells me PPL is garbage for someone “my age” and I should be doing a bro split with lighter weights if I want growth. Somehow I’m not so sure this is gospel. I have a pretty weak strength base. 265 bench, 455 DL, 300 squat.

Any program works...
I am fond of training body parts multiple times a week.

I am of the belief that you can train more often and more intensely when on gear.
Gear speeds up recovery.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

If he can't gain weight then he should be eating beef or at least keep the skin on the damn bird.

[Meloncap78]

Thanks gents. I am currently eating a pound and a half of boneless skinless chicken thighs, 10oz beef, 800 grams of rice, 140g oats, 64g peanut butter, 60g almond butter, 2 whole grain with flax sandwich thins, 1 muscle milk non dairy 40g protein shake and 2 cans veggies a day. Calories between 4300 and 4500 depending on whether I use butter in my rice that day or HP sauce on my chicken.

[Meloncap78]

Well 2.5 weeks in and I actually feel better than I did on TRT. I feel very positive and energetic most of the time. My mood now is stable from the time I wake up until I go to bed and I’m sleeping great. On TRT before I started this cycle I would get wild mood swings. Wake up one day super happy and the next like a different person with an impending sense of doom and depression. My thoughts initially were that I had some imbalance and maybe tren wasn’t a good idea. From what I’m feeling now I could live on this shit. Little warm at times and my dreams are wild. Cardio took a bit of a hit as climbing the Empire State Building on the stairmaster today about killed me but other than that 300mg/ew seems like the sweet spot.

[Meloncap78]

Coming into 3rd week and notice my weight is going up a little faster than might be useful. I look very soft and usually weigh about 195 by the end of the night. My morning weight is around 186. I started this cycle around 183 ish. My question is can upping my test only 100mg have water retention effects this noticeable? I run 200mg for trt and don’t experience water retention. Could this maybe just a hormone regulation deal? Maybe 4000 calories a day is too much? I want to make the most out of my first tren cycle as a good bulking run but I also dont want to be cutting down from 20% bodyfat when I’m done either.

[Meloncap78]

Update. 22 days in. The added weight was water retention from too much sodium (seasoning my chicken) coupled with the amount of carbs. All said and done the past month I have gained roughly 2 pounds. I will say I do look softer than before starting this cycle. Just waiting for the magic to happen. I do have sides albeit mild ones. Sleep is tougher, breaking a ridiculous sweat on my first 2 sets of anything in the gym and slightly elevated anxiety. BP seems ok in the 130/75 range, heartrate at rest is now in the high 80’s (normally in the 60’s). As I said, I’m waiting for these magical physique altering changes to happen. Lifting and eating hard. Don’t know how much rest will affect this outcome but I do a lot of tossing and turning lately. I’m also noticing that I actually feel weaker in my bench and deadlift. Not sure what that’s about.

[ksingh93]

Use an anti estrogen to keep that water weight down . You should be getting stronger and see physical changes by now maybe tren is severely underdosed . Donot change anything and get blood work done and see wheres your e2 free and total test and prolactin at . Use melatonin to fall asleep works like a charm.

[charger69]

Use an anti estrogen to keep that water weight down . You should be getting stronger and see physical changes by now maybe tren is severely underdosed . Donot change anything and get blood work done and see wheres your e2 free and total test and prolactin at . Use melatonin to fall asleep works like a charm.

I have a different opinion..if you don’t have problems with gyno, let your estrogen go. Estrogen is anabolic. You will grow a lot more.
If you do see endema , then you would want to evaluate, but I don’t foresee an issue at your levels


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[The Deadlifting Dog]

I have a different opinion..if you don’t have problems with gyno, let your estrogen go. Estrogen is anabolic. You will grow a lot more.
If you do see endema , then you would want to evaluate, but I don’t foresee an issue at your levels


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I agree.
At 300mg a week of test and being lean as he is...
He doesn't need an AI.

He has put on 2lbs in 3 weeks... he needs to keep eating.

[ksingh93]

Agreed but in my experience high estrogen cause lethargy hence causing fatigue. Which i think he is experiencing as his lifts are going down.

[wango]

Guys why no mast? Sorry, I thought that was always a given with tren. TY.

[Cuz]

Started 2 weeks ago today at 300mg test cyp (up from 200mg TRT dose) pinned 150mg M & Th. First week was 50mg tren ACE EOD. Second week I switched to 75mg EOD. So far I don’t really notice much other than the first week my BP went up a little. I started a regimen of Hawthorne/magnesium which has brought it down considerably (lower than my off cycle). Other than that maybe a tad more stamina. Here and there I feel a little over energetic but I work a second/third shift and drink a lot of coffee. When does the magic happen. I feel like 300/300 test to tren is a solid first run for the sweet nectar. I am eating at 4000 cals a day as this is a lean bulk cycle for me. Never had my luck bulking on test alone so I’m hoping this will be the one that wows me. I will keep this thread up to date.

I always throw in mast mg for mg when I take tren. Hell im doing 300 test 150 tren and 150 mast and its a struggle with the tren. 300 tren and id be on edge ALL the time, heart rate well over 100, breathing heavily, irratable....list goes on. I think you either have A shitty tren or B you just dont respond like most others do.

[Meloncap78]

Thanks for the input guys. I am definitely eating, no arguments there. I am hitting 4300 every single day. As far as my source goes they are the supplier for the local bbing community in my area and I have never had an issue with gear from them before. I ran test and eq both for 16 weeks at 600mg apiece as my last cycle and had no issues with bloat. I have never used an AI before in any of my cycles. I do have anastrazole on hand but see no reason to add more compounds into the mix. I am not training for strength either. I am using weights that I can hit 12-15 on my working sets ie. 70% 1rm and moving the weight up from there. Getting BW for me is tough here in NY. I just had my 6 month blood work done through my doc right before starting this cycle. I don’t get blood work again from him again until May. I can’t just waltz in there and say hey doc I need all the same tests again. I am on TRT through him and don’t want to raise any red flags. I could drive down to PA and get BW there maybe.... on another note, solid pre workout meal. Post will be 8oz boneless skinless chicken thighs, green beans and 280g basmati rice with a slice of fresh pineapple.

[Meloncap78]

Hit quads today and decided to get some updated pics under unflattering light. Current physique.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Hit quads today and decided to get some updated pics under unflattering light. Current physique.

Hits quads...
Takes upper body pictures...

Might want to look into getting a bakblade...

[Meloncap78]

Hits quads...
Takes upper body pictures...

Might want to look into getting a bakblade...

What for exactly?

Ahhhh LOK nvm. Yea I never had that hair. Seemed to have came in during the last few cycles. I woulda hit some quad shots but i roll commando and the bottoms of these pants won’t pull above my knees.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

What for exactly?

Just poking some friendly fun...

Looks like you have a tuft of hair on your lats...
Could be a shadow...

It is the best way to shave a back outside of paying to have it done.

[Meloncap78]

Just poking some friendly fun...

Looks like you have a tuft of hair on your lats...
Could be a shadow...

It is the best way to shave a back outside of paying to have it done.

Haha no it’s hair. Gotta get the wife to shave it but that device looks pretty decent.

[Cuz]

Hits quads...
Takes upper body pictures...

Might want to look into getting a bakblade...

I totally need that as i am a werewolf back there

[XnavyHMCS]

Hits quads...
Takes upper body pictures...

Might want to look into getting a bakblade...

Designated: Most Comical Post on the Thread

[Flacco]

OP are you going to sleep with protein in your stomach? Personally, I notice a big difference when I do or don’t sleep with protein in me.

[warchild]

You don’t need chicken breasts. Stick to white rice and steak. It’ll
Make you grow.

[Meloncap78]

You don’t need chicken breasts. Stick to white rice and steak. It’ll
Make you grow.

I hate chicken breast. I only eat thighs. Nice and greasy and fatty. Taste a lot better too.

[Cuz]

Whats this close to 3 weeks in with tren? Hows the gains bro?

[Meloncap78]

Whats this close to 3 weeks in with tren? Hows the gains bro?

Honestly not sure. The scale is up about 7 pounds since last month but I notice I’m holding water in my back love handle area, usually most pronounced at the end of a day of eating. I feel more stamina in the gym. I am lifting for hypertrophy so I’m using about 75% of my 1RM for working sets so I can’t say for strength. I do feel more gas than usual coming into the end of a set. I kept my test at 300 so I am still 300/300. Tuesday will be 4 weeks. I get random hot flashes here and there and sometimes my resting HR is high in the 90’s but most of the time it’s normal in the 60’s and 70’s. BP is usually around 125/75 but I have been using a Hawthorne/magnesium blend (Michael’s Blood Pressure Factors) since the start so I’ll attribute normal BP to that. Honestly with all the reading I did and the apprehension that I had beforehand has washed away. I feel like I could run this for 16 weeks no problem. I haven’t seen any real physique changes happening as of yet. Here is a current pic. Pardon the messy gym it has become a partial temporary storage area.

[Meloncap78]

Update. Picked up 2 more bottles of tren a couple of weeks ago. More than halfway through the first one and i notice it is a darker yellow than the first couple of bottles I had. It is also a little cloudy. Another thing I’m noticing is that my urine is a very dark color regardless of drinking over a gallon of water daily. What gives?

[Meloncap78]

Update. Currently my morning weight is 199. I have noticed improvements in all of my lifts except bench being the slowest to progress. The strangest part of this whole thing is that my upper body doesn’t look much different. I taped my arms and chest and they are the same size as before this cycle. My waist is about an inch bigger and my quads grew almost 2 inches. It’s a little frustrating as I know Im training hard enough, my legs are proof. My upper body just won’t pop. Let’s face it guys, trying to be a bodybuilder at 6’2 16” arms flexed and a 44” chest ain’t cutting it. What gives on the upper body hypertrophy struggle?

[Cuz]

Update. Currently my morning weight is 199. I have noticed improvements in all of my lifts except bench being the slowest to progress. The strangest part of this whole thing is that my upper body doesn’t look much different. I taped my arms and chest and they are the same size as before this cycle. My waist is about an inch bigger and my quads grew almost 2 inches. It’s a little frustrating as I know Im training hard enough, my legs are proof. My upper body just won’t pop. Let’s face it guys, trying to be a bodybuilder at 6’2 16” arms flexed and a 44” chest ain’t cutting it. What gives on the upper body hypertrophy struggle?

Some people are lower body dominant some are upper body dominant and your elite have it all. I know you want results quick but I would give it at least two more years of solid hardcore training and good food before we point the finger at genetic limits. Just 2-3 years ago i was right where you are 195-200 now im 230 same bodyfat and a couple more years it will increase more so just keep hammering

[Meloncap78]

Final update on this cycle. Starting weight was 183ish around 12-13%BF. Weight a week before the end of cycle weight was 205. I was eating at 4400 for the last 3/4 of cycle. It ended up being 15 weeks. Ended at 700mg test and 400mg tren Ace. I started to feel like shit most of the time so it was time to come off. Currently off a month now and eating at 3800. Weight has come back down to 189 and my guess is around 15-16%BF. All in all I’m not impressed. I’m sure it has to do with my training and or sleep/diet. This is my fifth cycle and I have never seen even close to the results that I see others get from gear. I am going to say it’s something I’m doing wrong. Poor MMC perhaps. I may be moving the weight until I’m shot but maybe not getting enough of a contraction to promote growth. There are so many variables. I guess I just never realized this is such an exact science and one wrong variable gets you zero growth. What gets me is the young guys who show up at the gym and half ass everything then 5 months later you see them and they blew the hell up and have backne like nobody’s business and they are still half assing everything. Makes you wonder how they grow. Anyway the final result is I am up 6lbs from the start about 19 weeks ago but about 2-3% bodyfat higher. I will say I loved the mood and sex drive that tren gave me.