Question regarding high white blood cell count

**jjz13** · 12-17-2020, 01:45 PM

What it do,

So I had some routine labs done at the VA yesterday, been kinda sick with a nasty cough... it was funny because all the nurses and docs thought I definitely had covid, nobody would come into my room without a full space suit on. Anyway after two negative tests and a chest X-ray they confirmed I don’t have covid. However my doctor was saying my white blood cell count is at 17, I think he said normal is 5-8 or something like that so mine is nearly double. He thinks it’s just a bacteria infection and that’s my body trying to fight it. My question is does gear affect your white blood cell count? I know deca for sure raises your red blood cell count, so I’m a little concerned and I need to do a follow up with another Doc next week. I don’t want to tell them I’m juicing unless I absolutely have to as most federal doctors will freak out lol. If anyone has any insight on this it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

**almostgone** · 12-17-2020, 02:16 PM

Personally, I would not advise them of any AAS usage.

**Honkey_Kong** · 12-17-2020, 02:43 PM

It's likely got nothing to do with AAS and you do not want them to put anything AAS related in to your medical records.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 12-17-2020, 03:02 PM

Your white blood cell count is up because you are fighting a bacterial infection.

Unless your gear gave you the bacterial infection then it has nothing to do with raising your WBC.

**Gallowmere** · 12-17-2020, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Your white blood cell count is up because you are fighting a bacterial infection.

Unless your gear gave you the bacterial infection then it has nothing to do with raising your WBC.

Not necessarily. My WBC goes up any time I use nandrolone above around 300mg. There’s no way the same gear gives me an infection at 400mg, but not 100, every time.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 12-17-2020, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

Not necessarily. My WBC goes up any time I use nandrolone above around 300mg. There’s no way the same gear gives me an infection at 400mg, but not 100, every time.

I stand corrected...

I would guess that if gear is UGL it may be causing some reaction due to contaminants.
Guessing being the key word.
And maybe some steroids might increase WBC production.
Maybe being the key word.
I shall Google...

And my lawyer told me to mention that I am not a doctor.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 12-17-2020, 03:49 PM

it appears Deca may increase WBC...

https://inis.iaea.org/search/search...._q=RN:11513592

I am no doctor but...

This study says that people who lost WBC due to irridation treatment and..
who were given Deca...
Increased their deca quicker than a control group.

(At least that what my meat head brain read...)

Where is KelKel???

**Gallowmere** · 12-17-2020, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

it appears Deca may increase WBC...

https://inis.iaea.org/search/search...._q=RN:11513592

I am no doctor but...

This study says that people who lost WBC due to irridation treatment and..
who were given Deca...
Increased their deca quicker than a control group.

(At least that what my meat head brain read...)

Where is KelKel???

That actually jibes mathematically with my experiences as well, at least on a mg/kg basis. Male mice average 300-500 grams, so on the heaviest end, that would be 5mg/kg body weight. For a person in my size range, that would come out to be between 450-500mg/week.

Also, rat study, so who the hell knows, but it’s at least somewhat validating of what I’ve seen.

**jjz13** · 12-17-2020, 08:11 PM

Thanks for the input fellas.

I’m running
600 mg sust 250
400 mg deca
250 tren e

I know doctors always think worst case scenario I was just curious is to any of that gear could be the cause and possibly so. He even recommended a spinal tap which i immediately shot down lol. I actually felt way better today hit the gym for the first time in almost a week. Feeling some what normal again. I will get more blood work done next week, thankfully they aren’t checking test levels lol.

**Gallowmere** · 12-18-2020, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by jjz13

Thanks for the input fellas.

I’m running
600 mg sust 250
400 mg deca
250 tren e

I know doctors always think worst case scenario I was just curious is to any of that gear could be the cause and possibly so. He even recommended a spinal tap which i immediately shot down lol. I actually felt way better today hit the gym for the first time in almost a week. Feeling some what normal again. I will get more blood work done next week, thankfully they aren’t checking test levels lol.

Especially not using the serum test. With that test and nandrolone dose, your “total test” would probably come back in the 5 digit range. Nandrolone has a hilarious interference effect.

**jjz13** · 12-18-2020, 05:29 AM

I honestly think I fucked myself the more I look into it. I got a rash that has spread on my cheek and I have a pain above my ass in my lower back a whole section feels inflamed.. totally high as fuck on shrooms but I figured it out hahaha. Now what to do next is the hard part

**charger69** · 12-18-2020, 06:02 AM

Going with AG. As far as any Dr goes... I am all natural. If you divulge, it goes on your record and insurance companies can use that against you.
Having WBC count that high is more than likely an infection .
Been there, done that. I had to have surgery to remove the infection, luckily it didn’t make it to the bone.
If it’s an injection site, B complex injections caused it. I even made my story a little more colorful... I bought them in Mexico. I am pretty sure they believed me...
it was two places though. I am not sure how many people inject B complex in the quad and delt.

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**jjz13** · 12-18-2020, 08:43 AM

Fuck bro I don’t know what I coulda done, but this is why I’ve been hurting the past few days. It’s weird how I have this tender section above my ass it hurts just getting up and down. Well ima ride it out for another day been taking some hot baths and soaking, but clearly an infection. Little concerning.

**kelkel** · 12-18-2020, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

it appears Deca may increase WBC...

https://inis.iaea.org/search/search...._q=RN:11513592

I am no doctor but...

This study says that people who lost WBC due to irridation treatment and..
who were given Deca...
Increased their deca quicker than a control group.

(At least that what my meat head brain read...)

Where is KelKel???

The posted study deals with recovery not root cause so not sure it really works in this scenario. Odd to see a link from the IAEA where ND is discussed isn't it.

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

That actually jibes mathematically with my experiences as well, at least on a mg/kg basis. Male mice average 300-500 grams, so on the heaviest end, that would be 5mg/kg body weight. For a person in my size range, that would come out to be between 450-500mg/week.

Also, rat study, so who the hell knows, but it’s at least somewhat validating of what I’ve seen.

Interesting. Are you sure though it's the deca and not other ancillaries? I've yet to see evidence that ND raises WBC but being that it's about the only thing I run anymore I will watch my BW much closer for any changes.

**Gallowmere** · 12-18-2020, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

The posted study deals with recovery not root cause so not sure it really works in this scenario. Odd to see a link from the IAEA where ND is discussed isn't it.

Interesting. Are you sure though it's the deca and not other ancillaries? I've yet to see evidence that ND raises WBC but being that it's about the only thing I run anymore I will watch my BW much closer for any changes.

Yeap. Whenever I have nandrolone back to HRT levels and run cycles with the same stuff otherwise (the only “ancillary” that I use with any cycle is Masteron ), the WBC is back to normal.
Now granted, I’m not seeing stupid high “holy shit am I dying?” levels, but it’s still outside of the reference range (11.5-12.0, max norm is 10.8), and seems to correspond with the dose. The 11.5 is around 350/week, the 12.0 is 400.
With HRT dose, I hover between 8-9.

**jjz13** · 12-19-2020, 05:57 PM

Little update - rash and swelling, tenderness have subsided greatly. Feel way better, whatever infection I had im definitely on the flip side of it now. Thanks for all the input fellas.

**Gallowmere** · 12-20-2020, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by jjz13

Little update - rash and swelling, tenderness have subsided greatly. Feel way better, whatever infection I had im definitely on the flip side of it now. Thanks for all the input fellas.

I could be wrong, but this sounds more like an allergic reaction than an infection. I got the same thing from a certain UGL a long time ago. It turned out that I was allergic to the carrier oil that he used; nothing more.
It can be a bitch to distinguish between the two via standard bloodwork as well, because an allergic reaction is just your immune system treating something harmless as a pathogen and going into needless overdrive.