Proper Dianabol cycle

[Forestdweller]

Scoured the net forever looking for a good beginner cycle, but most are vague or conflicting articles. One sure thing is dont take it alone is what I got, even though many have done it.

I am considering 20-25mg dose, split into 4 daily servings. I need a test with it, maybe enanthate? or Sustanon? Stacked with Deca or or do that on another cycle? Novaldex to help block. What am I missing here.

Am 50, active in Gym and moderate built. Have never been enhanced and have plateaued now. My goal is to put on another 20-30 pounds, then lean up a bit. What am I missing here? I will get bloodwork and all cycle ingredients in order before doing anything else. Thanks Guys

[Forestdweller]

Missed some organ support for liver, what works for you guys?

[SampsonandDelilah]

Test only would be my recommendation. See how your body does. If you get sides, you know the culprit. Would look at hormone replacement therapy after completion as an option and if not, the research PCT

Stats, years in the gym?

[Honkey_Kong]

If you're looking for a beginner cycle Test E or C 400-600mg per week for 12-14 weeks (when the gains level off is when you should call it off).

If you absolutely want to run Dbol, then run 20-30mg of dbol split so you take half in the morning and half in the evening.

As far as liver supports go, you can try liv52 or milk thistle. Really though, the liver is one of the most resilient organs in the body. It'll repair most of the damage you put it through (to a point) on its own. If you keep your dbol usage to like 4 weeks, it'll almost certainly be fine. I would avoid drinking alcohol while on dbol (actually, I'd avoid alcohol while using gear as drinking is counterproductive).

[Forestdweller]

yes forgot to mention been in gym since 97 then off for 10 years and back on the last 4 years. Nutrition and diet is good, home made clean meals, 2500 -4000 cal a day depending, good macros. Take regular supplements and cardio. 5'7 167-170#

[Forestdweller]

thanks, yes was thinking a mini low dose Dianabol cycle for 4 weeks. No booze on the menu

[Forestdweller]

If you're looking for a beginner cycle Test E or C 400-600mg per week for 12-14 weeks (when the gains level off is when you should call it off).

If you absolutely want to run Dbol, then run 20-30mg of dbol split so you take half in the morning and half in the evening.

As far as liver supports go, you can try liv52 or milk thistle. Really though, the liver is one of the most resilient organs in the body. It'll repair most of the damage you put it through (to a point) on its own. If you keep your dbol usage to like 4 weeks, it'll almost certainly be fine. I would avoid drinking alcohol while on dbol (actually, I'd avoid alcohol while using gear as drinking is counterproductive).

thanks, yes was thinking a mini low dose Dianabol cycle for 4 weeks. No booze on the menu

[The Deadlifting Dog]

thanks, yes was thinking a mini low dose Dianabol cycle for 4 weeks. No booze on the menu

a low dose DBOL only cycle will do you nothing good IMO.

[Cuz]

Id recommend getting bloodwork before starting a cycle. See where your levels are (testosterone, cholesterol, estrogen...lipids,sbhg)

Why do you feel you have plateaued ?

[Forestdweller]

a low dose DBOL only cycle will do you nothing good IMO.

the online suggestions state 20-30mg or less for beginners or first users, but then its variable information that has been spread around over the years. This is the dose I was thinking. Any thoughts?

[SampsonandDelilah]

a low dose DBOL only cycle will do you nothing good IMO.

Not only will it do nothing good, it’ll slow your own natural production of testosterone and is notorious for inducing gyno. You’ll hold extra water and some fat which you’ll mistake for gains and like a balloon with a pin hole, it’ll slowly fade away

[Forestdweller]

Bloodwork is in my plans. Gains and muscle mass isnt really moving forward or upward anymore. Diet and macros are very good. Food bulking seems to only work to a point.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Cuz nailed it. At 50, you need bloodwork and see where you own natural test levels are.

You’re going to find that 99.9% of the guys here will poo poo a 4 week Dbol cycle and will push for a test only cycle.

Best of luck

[Forestdweller]

Not only will it do nothing good, it’ll slow your own natural production of testosterone and is notorious for inducing gyno. You’ll hold extra water and some fat which you’ll mistake for gains and like a balloon with a pin hole, it’ll slowly fade away

Yes have read much about that, and am weighing out other options.

[Forestdweller]

Cuz nailed it. At 50, you need bloodwork and see where you own natural test levels are.

You’re going to find that 99.9% of the guys here will poo poo a 4 week Dbol cycle and will push for a test only cycle.

Best of luck

blood work in the works. I am in no hurry to jump on a cycle, but want to clarify and educate myself before purchasing things I dont need or want

[SampsonandDelilah]

blood work in the works. I am in no hurry to jump on a cycle, but want to clarify and educate myself before purchasing things I dont need or want

Kudos to your patience and wisdom. You’re in the right place brother. I don’t like to speak for the group and you’ve already acknowledged the importance of bloodwork, but oral cycles only are generally frowned upon, especially Dbol only. Testosterone cyp and enth are seen as the gold standard for entering the “dark side”. It’s pretty innocuous if done correctly and really the one thing to really worry about are you ancillaries and what your plan is for after the completion of the cycle (TRT vs PCT)

[Honkey_Kong]

thanks, yes was thinking a mini low dose Dianabol cycle for 4 weeks. No booze on the menu

dbol only cycles are retarded. All cycles should a test base (even if that base is just a TRT dose of test).

And yes, bloodwork goes without saying BEFORE your cycle and AFTER your pct. And you probably should also have some done midway through your cycle.

If you're 50 and thinking about steroids, you should also be thinking of TRT and finding a doctor or clinic that is experienced in treating men with this. Maybe not necessarily pull the trigger and put yourself on this, but know what your options are.

[Forestdweller]

Kudos to your patience and wisdom. You’re in the right place brother. I don’t like to speak for the group and you’ve already acknowledged the importance of bloodwork, but oral cycles only are generally frowned upon, especially Dbol only. Testosterone cyp and enth are seen as the gold standard for entering the “dark side”. It’s pretty innocuous if done correctly and really the one thing to really worry about are you ancillaries and what your plan is for after the completion of the cycle (TRT vs PCT)

Thanks Dude
For many Dbol is inviting as its oral and gains are sure, but one need to inject anyway it seems with a test to make it work, so may as well go with a better product. Am I assuming correctly?

[SampsonandDelilah]

Thanks Dude
For many Dbol is inviting as its oral and gains are sure, but one need to inject anyway it seems with a test to make it work, so may as well go with a better product. Am I assuming correctly?

Sort of correct. The gains aren’t “for sure”. Water weight and fat are for sure which are mistaken for “gains”. Most guys aren’t keeping what they think are gains anyways.

Yes, test needs to be injected for optimal result. There are creams, lotions and pellets but they are substandard by far

[Forestdweller]

Sort of correct. The gains aren’t “for sure”. Water weight and fat are for sure which are mistaken for “gains”. Most guys aren’t keeping what they think are gains anyways.

Yes, test needs to be injected for optimal result. There are creams, lotions and pellets but they are substandard by far

Hmm ,might drop that Dbol idea for now.
Ok I dont compete, I dont need to impress girls or guys but want to have a better physique/mass and more strength. I am pretty disciplined/educated with working out and food. Id like to pack on 20-30 pounds, am 170, was 180 before but couldnt hold onto it now, not looking to be chiseled. What would you do?

[SampsonandDelilah]

Hmm ,might drop that Dbol idea for now.
Ok I dont compete, I dont need to impress girls or guys but want to have a better physique/mass and more strength. I am pretty disciplined/educated with working out and food. Id like to pack on 20-30 pounds, am 170, was 180 before but couldnt hold onto it now, not looking to be chiseled. What would you do?

At 50...if do 12 weeks of test cyp at 500 mgs a week divided into two shots and then get on TRT for life

[Forestdweller]

At 50...if do 12 weeks of test cyp at 500 mgs a week divided into two shots and then get on TRT for life

That is another good point. Seems there is no casual cycle that you can play with for a year or 2 and then slowly get off the stuff and keep much of the gains? Is this correct?

[SampsonandDelilah]

That is another good point. Seems there is no casual cycle that you can play with for a year or 2 and then slowly get off the stuff and keep much of the gains? Is this correct?

Well there is, it’s called PCT. post cycle therapy and it’s utilizing drugs to help jumpstart your HPTA back into production after introducing exogenous testosterone. The issue is it gets harder with age, which is why guys just continue to stay on a maintenance/therapeutic dose of testosterone

[Lethal Hamburger]

Hmm ,might drop that Dbol idea for now.
Ok I dont compete, I dont need to impress girls or guys but want to have a better physique/mass and more strength. I am pretty disciplined/educated with working out and food. Id like to pack on 20-30 pounds, am 170, was 180 before but couldnt hold onto it now, not looking to be chiseled. What would you do?

What would I do? Follow SampsonandDelilah's gold standard recommendation.
First time, test only and if your gear is legit, 200mg to 500mgs per week will be good for 10 weeks of fantastic growth. Never push cycle time unless you like risk, as side effects lurk in the duration as well as the dose.

Good luck and stay safe.
Get bloods done prior mid and post cycle.
If you are looking to hold the gains you make, trt will be a very sensible option. The least amount of gear you use the healthier you will be and therefore likely to train, eat and sleep optimally.

[Forestdweller]

Well there is, it’s called PCT. post cycle therapy and it’s utilizing drugs to help jumpstart your HPTA back into production after introducing exogenous testosterone. The issue is it gets harder with age, which is why guys just continue to stay on a maintenance/therapeutic dose of testosterone

Thanks for the explanation. PCT comes up a lot. Lots of good feedback so far. Gonna hang out here for awhile and see what everyone is up to.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Read, digest, read, digest, ask questions....

[Forestdweller]

how many doses are there in these small bottles?

[SampsonandDelilah]

Have to be more specific brother. An ampule or a vial. Also will depend on how it’s dozed. How many milligrams per ML

[Forestdweller]

Have to be more specific brother. An ampule or a vial. Also will depend on how it’s dozed. How many milligrams per ML

I see a lot of these on sites, not sure how to do the math on how far that goes

[The Deadlifting Dog]

So that is a 10ml vial of 300mg/ml test.
So it contains 3000mgs of test. (10ml x 300mg/ml = 3000mg)
If you were to do 500mg of test per week it would last you 6 weeks. (3000mg / (500mg/week) = 6 weeks)

Smaller containers are called ampules (amps). They are only 1ml.

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[Honkey_Kong]

So that is a 10ml vial of 300mg/ml test.
So it contains 3000mgs of test. (10ml x 300mg/ml = 3000mg)
If you were to do 500mg of test per week it would last you 6 weeks. (3000mg / (500mg/week) = 6 weeks)

Smaller containers are called ampules (amps). They are only 1ml.

OP, It should also be noted that UGL vials don't necessarily have precisely the amount of gear in them that they say they do. If it's 10ml in a vial, sometimes you'll find less or more in it. Plus you'll probably not get every drop out of the vial. So expect this and buy a little more than what you need for your cycle. If you have an extra vial or two at the end, you can just save them for next time.

[Cuz]

OP, It should also be noted that UGL vials don't necessarily have precisely the amount of gear in them that they say they do. If it's 10ml in a vial, sometimes you'll find less or more in it. Plus you'll probably not get every drop out of the vial. So expect this and buy a little more than what you need for your cycle. If you have an extra vial or two at the end, you can just save them for next time.

Exactly, this. UGL will vary, ugl means its not pharmaceutical grade like pfizer you get at the pharmacy. I know my ugl isnt quite the 10ml as advertised it usually runs short some do and some dont

[Gallowmere]

Exactly, this. UGL will vary, ugl means its not pharmaceutical grade like pfizer you get at the pharmacy. I know my ugl isnt quite the 10ml as advertised it usually runs short some do and some dont

Hell, my ugl test gives me more consistent bloods (+/-3-5%) than the Watson pharma I used to use gave me (+/-25-30%).