Cycle ideas

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Just looking for a little feedback...

I am a lower dose cycle type of guy.
50yrs old 5' 8" 225lb 14.69% BF on TRT

I've done test, t-bol, deca, and tren before
I powerlift and try to stay near 220lbs.

I've heard a lot about mast.
Does anyone do just test and mast?
I know people like test, tren, mast... does test, deca, mast work also?

Also primo... is it worth it?
From my limited knowledge mast is more for strength and primo is more for muscle growth.
How low can you go with primo and still build some muscle or enhance rehab?

I've tried deca once. I want to try it again simply for joint relief.
How low can I go?

primary goals: strength, enhanced rehab, build muscle, joint relief

[Cuz]

Im currently on 250 test 200 primo and 200 npp and am very happy with it physique wise. For strength i would use the mast tho over primo i dont think you will see much benefit over it with strength being your main focus. Some may say you need alot more primo imo you dont im still very new to primo so my opinion may not be worth anything.
For me, test nandrolone and mast plus anadrol is strength king.
Im just merely speaking from my own personal experience which isnt alot especially in the strength world.

As far as a lean mass gainer/ fairly lean bulk went id go with trt test / high primo/ mid dose of npp/ high mast blast. Id pick high primo over low to mid dosed tren just because the side effects are so much manageable in my case. Tren is pretty much an asshole to me, its very powerful but for me if I can feel better on primo and get close results im goin primo from now on.
Test/mast im sure would work as well but if i was entering a meet i would not personally rely on just test/mast

[kelkel]

Test, deca and var. You'll be golden and get the joint relief you want at the same time.
Go as long as your blood work says you can. I've been on deca for years in conjunction with my TRT.
I've got a stash of all kinds of stuff but always fall back to those three items. They simply work.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Test/mast im sure would work as well but if i was entering a meet i would not personally rely on just test/mast

For a meet I will surely use test/mast/tren.

Just I am never using tren again except for 4 weeks before meet.

I am interested in mast partly because I am semi-divorcing tren.

Is 200 npp or deca enough for joints?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Test, deca and var. You'll be golden and get the joint relief you want at the same time.
Go as long as your blood work says you can. I've been on deca for years in conjunction with my TRT.
I've got a stash of all kinds of stuff but always fall back to those three items. They simply work.

What is the var for? strength, muscle growth, recovery, all of the above??? How much is a minimal dose?

[kelkel]

What is the var for? strength, muscle growth, recovery, all of the above??? How much is a minimal dose?

D. All of the above which is why it's so great. When I've been recovering from injuries (both ham tears, shoulder tear) I've run it (scripted) at a low 20 mgs and still easily feel it.

Re "semi-divorcing" tren then the natural choice would be deca as tren is basically a derivative of deca.

[charger69]

You may need to be careful on mast with your prostrate . I still use DHT however I need to be careful. You are around the age three the prostrate may give you issues.
Primo is more of a cruise for me than building mass. Most BB I know use it for maintenance on a cruise. With that being said, any AAS can be used for bulking or cutting and your diet dictates . The good thing about primo is that the sides are very limited.
Nandrolone can be used as low as you want. Some people use it for HRT and for their joints.

I have used mast when I wanted more of a lean bulk. People will say that mast is only good at 10% or less bF- I say hog wash. I have used it at 18% before and it did its job.
Take what everyone says, decide what you want to do and then go with what you want and see how you react.


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[SampsonandDelilah]

Mast is a great compound. For me it’s like proviron, not a stand alone drug but makes everything around it shine. Works well minimizing E2 and prolactin issues but also provides a nice anabolic load. It’s a wingman drug. Really shines in the lower BF range but gives me a nice grainy look and some increased vascularity.

I much prefer Var over dbol, just works for me better. Pumps can be tough though, i hover between 25-50. Nothing crazy.

The thing is you’re right in the pocket with all of the Titans of anabolics. You can hit any of those combos and do great, you need to experiment and find out what your body leans towards. Really can’t go wrong in my opinion

[The Deadlifting Dog]

D. All of the above which is why it's so great. When I've been recovering from injuries (both ham tears, shoulder tear) I've run it (scripted) at a low 20 mgs and still easily feel it.

Re "semi-divorcing" tren then the natural choice would be deca as tren is basically a derivative of deca.

The one time I tried deca was a disaster...
My biggest cycle ever by far...
500 test 500 tren 200? deca
My brother got cancer. (He's fine.)
We drank for a week. I lactated.

I've never done a cycle close to that again.

Was thinking 400 test 200 mast 200 deca for a blast.

Was thinking of cruising at 100 test 100 deca 100 mast.

Maybe I'll get some var and throw in 20/day on the blast and cruise.

I could try 40 on the blast but I fear the dreaded back pump.
(If the pump stops you from working out then what good is it?)

Do you get back pumps from var?

[SampsonandDelilah]

I have some DHB I can sell you cheap! It’s great for a lumpy ass, knots in your butt cheeks and so much shoulder pain that you question flipping off the guy that just cut you off!!


You’ll love it!!

[SampsonandDelilah]

The one time I tried deca was a disaster...
My biggest cycle ever by far...
500 test 500 tren 200? deca
My brother got cancer. (He's fine.)
We drank for a week. I lactated.

I've never done a cycle close to that again.

Was thinking 400 test 200 mast 200 deca for a blast.

Was thinking of cruising at 100 test 100 deca 100 mast.

Maybe I'll get some var and throw in 20/day on the blast and cruise.

I could try 40 on the blast but I fear the dreaded back pump.
(If the pump stops you from working out then what good is it?)

Do you get back pumps from var?

Today I had everything pumps from the Var! Arm day, I thought they might explode, lol. I pushed through. Luckily my shoulder hurts from yesterday’s DHB shot so the pump was an afterthought lol

[The Deadlifting Dog]

You may need to be careful on mast with your prostrate . I still use DHT however I need to be careful. You are around the age three the prostrate may give you issues.
Primo is more of a cruise for me than building mass. Most BB I know use it for maintenance on a cruise. With that being said, any AAS can be used for bulking or cutting and your diet dictates . The good thing about primo is that the sides are very limited.
Nandrolone can be used as low as you want. Some people use it for HRT and for their joints.

I have used mast when I wanted more of a lean bulk. People will say that mast is only good at 10% or less bF- I say hog wash. I have used it at 18% before and it did its job.
Take what everyone says, decide what you want to do and then go with what you want and see how you react.


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I have always had a PSA under 1. (I'm sure I've just cursed myself.)

I like the idea of a lean bulk with mast.
I am not looking for massive gains but I am looking to step it up somewhat.
For 2 years now I've run 100 test for 3 months then 500 test and 200-300 tren before meets for 8 weeks.

I am looking to step up my cruise.
And I am looking to limit my tren to 4 weeks only so I need a new strength gainer for my blast.

I seriously am a serial rapist on tren. (Well I would be if I wernt such a righteous pompous mother fucker.)
I can't handle tren.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I have some DHB I can sell you cheap! It’s great for a lumpy ass, knots in your butt cheeks and so much shoulder pain that you question flipping off the guy that just cut you off!!


You’ll love it!!

You beat me to it!! Was going to ask you how it was going.

Today I had everything pumps from the Var! Arm day, I thought they might explode, lol. I pushed through. Luckily my shoulder hurts from yesterday’s DHB shot so the pump was an afterthought lol

How much var do you run?

I squat and deadlift frequently.
Pumps are a no go.

[kelkel]

I lactated.


Do you get back pumps from var?

Well, I was about to eat some cottage cheese. Rethinking it now....

Nope, nothing to inhibit my workout at least. (re back pumps)

[SampsonandDelilah]

You beat me to it!! Was going to ask you how it was going.



How much var do you run?

I squat and deadlift frequently.
Pumps are a no go.

How’s it going? Feeling like self mutilation at this point...

The pumps aren’t killers, I actually like them. I’m running 50 currently (25 BID)

Come on KelKel, grab that cottage cheese and follow it up with a mayonnaise sandwich

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Can't believe I am thinking of taking var...

When I first joined this site that damn Aussie zzzzz was viral...

Every single post was about var only cycles...

[SampsonandDelilah]

Can't believe I am thinking of taking var...

When I first joined this site that damn Aussie zzzzz was viral...

Every single post was about var only cycles...

I remember.

I’ll be honest. I don’t have a ton of experience with it either and have only Dbol to compare it to from an oral steroid perspective (not counting proviron). I like it way better than Dbol and really started to notice it about 3 weeks in. Wasn’t instant for me.

As I said, it’s worth experimenting with. At 50, you know your body and will quickly be able to ascertain if it’s for you or not

[Cuz]

For a meet I will surely use test/mast/tren.

Just I am never using tren again except for 4 weeks before meet.

I am interested in mast partly because I am semi-divorcing tren.

Is 200 npp or deca enough for joints?

200 seems to be enough for me. Deca just takes me so long to see results i just use the short esther now. In a cruise deca would be better in the long run bc less frequent pinning and much less pip so if i was too stay on 100mg year round id definitely go with deca. Im also cutting my tren usage to 3-4 weeks as well. Im getting bw pulled tommorow to see where i am on kidney function and lipids it will determine my tren usage

[charger69]

200 seems to be enough for me. Deca just takes me so long to see results i just use the short esther now. In a cruise deca would be better in the long run bc less frequent pinning and much less pip so if i was too stay on 100mg year round id definitely go with deca. Im also cutting my tren usage to 3-4 weeks as well. Im getting bw pulled tommorow to see where i am on kidney function and lipids it will determine my tren usage

Try frontloading deca. Quick results. I also like the gradual tapering off at the end.
I probably won’t use NPP again after fro loading.


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[kelkel]

Come on KelKel, grab that cottage cheese and follow it up with a mayonnaise sandwich

With or without hair?

[tarmyg]

I’m running Test, Primo, Mast and Var at the moment. Only three weeks in so can’t evaluate it yet as the esters are so darn long.

Like Samson I add Mast to almost everything. Just seem to make it all so much more bearable.

Var I usually run around 40. I have tried it at 100, my body did not like that, at all.

After this cycle it’s time for a medical holiday for a while [emoji41]

[kelkel]

I’m running Test, Primo, Mast and Var at the moment. Only three weeks in so can’t evaluate it yet as the esters are so darn long.

Like Samson I add Mast to almost everything. Just seem to make it all so much more bearable.

Var I usually run around 40. I have tried it at 100, my body did not like that, at all.

After this cycle it’s time for a medical holiday for a while [emoji41]

You should be feeling the var.

[tarmyg]

You should be feeling the var.

I do but in such a very small way. I have noticed that I feel smaller changes much easier as I have more aas experience.

[SampsonandDelilah]

With or without hair?

Without please. Nothing like some chest pubes to ruin a perfectly good mayonnaise sandwich