Question about gyno prevention/treatment?

[rise_against]

I read the sticky above about gyno. I noticed that it listed both arimidex and nolva as ways to prevent or reverse gyno. In what context would you use both of these? Like arimidex to prevent gyno and nolva to treat it if you happen to get it?

Im about a week into my first test cyp cycle, 500mg/week. I have arimidex to use if I need it. And have nolva for the pct. Am wondering if I should get more nolva incase I run into any issues?

[TheDreamer]

I have the same question. Hopefully someone is going to respond soon.

[Gallowmere]

I read the sticky above about gyno. I noticed that it listed both arimidex and nolva as ways to prevent or reverse gyno. In what context would you use both of these? Like arimidex to prevent gyno and nolva to treat it if you happen to get it?

Im about a week into my first test cyp cycle, 500mg/week. I have arimidex to use if I need it. And have nolva for the pct. Am wondering if I should get more nolva incase I run into any issues?

That’s exactly what SERMs are for. Tamoxifen will block estrogen from being able to bind to specific tissues, in this case, the mammary gland tissues whose hypertrophy is responsible for gynecomastia.

If gyno is a concern, keeping extra Tamoxifen on hand is a good idea. It’s use in reversing gyno (assuming you start taking it before the swelling turns from fluid deposition to fibrous tissue) is extremely high, but requires a loading dose of 40mg twice per day for a week, followed by 20mg twice per day until symptoms have resolved.

One thing though: this is not a “oh, muh nipples itch, guess I haz teh gynos” dose. That’s for when you actually have a painful nodule starting to form and grow, but before the actual fibrous tissues begin to accumulate.

[rise_against]

That’s exactly what SERMs are for. Tamoxifen will block estrogen from being able to bind to specific tissues, in this case, the mammary gland tissues whose hypertrophy is responsible for gynecomastia.

If gyno is a concern, keeping extra Tamoxifen on hand is a good idea. It’s use in reversing gyno (assuming you start taking it before the swelling turns from fluid deposition to fibrous tissue) is extremely high, but requires a loading dose of 40mg twice per day for a week, followed by 20mg twice per day until symptoms have resolved.

One thing though: this is not a “oh, muh nipples itch, guess I haz teh gynos” dose. That’s for when you actually have a painful nodule starting to form and grow, but before the actual fibrous tissues begin to accumulate.

Ok so nolva works better for gyno and arimidex will get your dick to work if estrogen is too high?

[Gallowmere]

Ok so nolva works better for gyno and arimidex will get your dick to work if estrogen is too high?

That depends on if the problem is estrogen related. 99/100 times, ED issues aren’t E2 related at all. They’re more a problem with androgen insufficiency (not possible on cycle) or cardiovascular problems. They can also be a consequence of high conversion of nandrolone to DHN, but that’s irrelevant in this particular case.

[kelkel]

Everything Gallo said. Also, know that many guys who are gyno prone will run low dose nolva (10 mgs) daily while on cycle as a preventative.

[Lethal Hamburger]

Why start your first ever cycle on 500mgs of testosterone?
I think that would be a great way to find out if you are prone to gynocomastia, yes?
500mg is a shit truck amount of test.

[jchc86]

I read the sticky above about gyno. I noticed that it listed both arimidex and nolva as ways to prevent or reverse gyno. In what context would you use both of these? Like arimidex to prevent gyno and nolva to treat it if you happen to get it?

Im about a week into my first test cyp cycle, 500mg/week. I have arimidex to use if I need it. And have nolva for the pct. Am wondering if I should get more nolva incase I run into any issues?

as soon as they start perking up and feel sensitive, i take one nolva in the morning and one at night and it goes away. from there on, you can take just one nolva at night unless it comes back.

[rise_against]

Why start your first ever cycle on 500mgs of testosterone?
I think that would be a great way to find out if you are prone to gynocomastia, yes?
500mg is a shit truck amount of test.

That's what I've read is a common dose. Would it be better to cut back to 300mg? I've only been on it for a week and a half, too late?

[Lethal Hamburger]

That's what I've read is a common dose. Would it be better to cut back to 300mg? I've only been on it for a week and a half, too late?

I fully recommend to do so. Most of us older bbers and powerlifters would have cycled 250 to 300 mg fir 10 weeks as a first cycle. What you see on the net is mostly overkill. If you are gyno prone you will best take it easy first time around.
Look up front loading and you will see that the 1st weeks dose you have taken, could be considered that. For the remaining weeks run 250 to 300mg.

It is up to you really, however if you wish to avoid sides, stay on the lower side first time around.

[rise_against]

I fully recommend to do so. Most of us older bbers and powerlifters would have cycled 250 to 300 mg fir 10 weeks as a first cycle. What you see on the net is mostly overkill. If you are gyno prone you will best take it easy first time around.
Look up front loading and you will see that the 1st weeks dose you have taken, could be considered that. For the remaining weeks run 250 to 300mg.

It is up to you really, however if you wish to avoid sides, stay on the lower side first time around.

Thanks for the feedback

[Gallowmere]

Definitely agree with Lethal.
2-3mg/kg is perfectly sufficient for test as a platform for nearly any cycle. As such assess tolerance in that range, then start building from there.
Honestly, the more I learn about this shit, the more I realize that testosterone itself is VERY overused in general for most people’s intentions. The whole “most natural is best start” shit needs to die in a fire. Testosterone is a very crude ass hormone, which is why pretty much every AAS built off of it is more refined and targeted, and therefore, better.

[kelkel]

Testosterone is a very crude ass hormone,.

I used to be naturally crude. Now I'm exogenously crude.

[< <Samson> >]

I still recommend the shit I started with - 500mg of test E per week + 12.mg of eXemastane eod(twice weekly should be enough also)



If you already have a nice set of man tits - that's a whole different story




Some guys run quite a bit of gear without an Ai & never even have gyno issues - high estro or not

[rise_against]

I still recommend the shit I started with - 500mg of test E per week + 12.mg of eXemastane eod(twice weekly should be enough also)



If you already have a nice set of man tits - that's a whole different story




Some guys run quite a bit of gear without an Ai & never even have gyno issues - high estro or not

I want to compete in an untested powerlifting comp in April. Might stick with 500 and see what happens

[< <Samson> >]

I want to compete in an untested powerlifting comp in April. Might stick with 500 and see what happens

Where u at now naturally? Weight, height, size, lifts, etc.

[rise_against]

Where u at now naturally? Weight, height, size, lifts, etc.

Natural 6'2" 220 lb at 15-16% bf
480 squat, 290 bench, 570 deadlift

Sarms 218 lb at 10-11% bf
500x3 squat and 615 deadlift. Didn't push bench due to ac joint tweak

Lifting and nutrition are on point and consistent. Been lifting off and on for 15 years. some times more dedicated than others during that stretch but have been training for power very consistently for 3 years. Would like to push for a 585 squat and 700 deadlift

[< <Samson> >]

Those are some intense numbers for someone still natural


Fuck it, just run a test only cycle of 500mg a week - should do you wonders


As far as Ai, well - it's all a guessing game really - in most cases I'd say 1/2 gram of test a week is doable without any

[Cuz]

Those are some intense numbers for someone still natural


Fuck it, just run a test only cycle of 500mg a week - should do you wonders


As far as Ai, well - it's all a guessing game really - in most cases I'd say 1/2 gram of test a week is doable without any

Fuckin truth

[< <Samson> >]

Fuckin truth

Those are pretty much my PR numbers on a ton of roids - but, I started with nothing(or, quite close to it)

[Cuz]

Those are pretty much my PR numbers on a ton of roids - but, I started with nothing(or, quite close to it)

Same here. Funny me and my bro are chatting right now about how shitty are genetics were for size and power. Both under 120lbs in highschool....and we aint short neither. Fuckin genetics. Least ive put on 100+ lbs of lbm since then lol

[Krb367]

Have to run it and find out. My second run with deca, I had an estrogen rebound when I finished off the deca and mast. About a marble size lump off to side of my nip. First run of deca, zero issues.

For what it’s worth, I just came in here to tell shit can always change and happen. I’ll run low dose nolva towards the end of any blast from here on out.

[Honkey_Kong]

Same here. Funny me and my bro are chatting right now about how shitty are genetics were for size and power. Both under 120lbs in highschool....and we aint short neither. Fuckin genetics. Least ive put on 100+ lbs of lbm since then lol

When I graduated high school, I was about 6'3 and under 160 lbs. I used to really believe I was a "hard gainer" and that I ate like a horse. Eventually, I came to the realization that I was believing my own bullschitte and so I started to learn to eat.

In my case, sure genetics probably played a role, but I just wasn't eating enough. And of what I was eating, it was mostly junk food like snacks and fast food.

[Cuz]

When I graduated high school, I was about 6'3 and under 160 lbs. I used to really believe I was a "hard gainer" and that I ate like a horse. Eventually, I came to the realization that I was believing my own bullschitte and so I started to learn to eat.

In my case, sure genetics probably played a role, but I just wasn't eating enough. And of what I was eating, it was mostly junk food like snacks and fast food.

That’s correct. I obviously had no clue how to eat, but most of my classmates were much larger than me weight wise and they ate like shit too lol

[kelkel]

WI came to the realization that I was believing my own bullschitte and so I started to learn to eat.

We all go through that phase.

[rise_against]

I noticed my nipples are a little bit bigger than they were. They aren't sensitive and don't have any hard spots, just a little bit puffy. That isnt gyno though right? I haven't started using any arimidex yet but maybe I should start?

[Gallowmere]

I noticed my nipples are a little bit bigger than they were. They aren't sensitive and don't have any hard spots, just a little bit puffy. That isnt gyno though right? I haven't started using any arimidex yet but maybe I should start?

Longer? Erm, like you’re developing 7.62mm nipples?

[rise_against]

Longer? Erm, like you’re developing 7.62mm nipples?

Nope like 5.56 nato... Lmao no they still look normal to anybody looking at them, I have small nips. They just seem kinda puffy

[fit_deskjocky]

Any pain, lumps or sensitivity at around your nipple?

[rise_against]

Any pain, lumps or sensitivity at around your nipple?

No none of that. I took .25mg of arimidex this morning

[rise_against]

Think I'm just being paranoid and have never really paid much attention to my nipples... But if you were to get gyno, you would feel a lump under your nipples right? Gyno isn't in the actual nipples themselves?

[< <Samson> >]

Think I'm just being paranoid and have never really paid much attention to my nipples... But if you were to get gyno, you would feel a lump under your nipples right? Gyno isn't in the actual nipples themselves?

Exactly

This “puffy nipple” BS doesn’t mean much - until you feel a lump building up, or - you start lactating < and, that’s usually from other gear

[Lethal Hamburger]

Sorry, what dose did he end up on?

[Gallowmere]

Think I'm just being paranoid and have never really paid much attention to my nipples... But if you were to get gyno, you would feel a lump under your nipples right? Gyno isn't in the actual nipples themselves?

Precisely, and it’s also easy to reverse in early stages, before fibrous tissue replaces the fluid based glandular swelling. I had a small, painful bead pop up to the outside of each nipple on this course, so I just tossed 20mg of Tamoxifen at it twice per day until they went back down. General rules of thumb are “if it never hurt, it isn’t gyno” and “if it still hurts, it’s at the most reversible point”.