Cutting Cycle Feedback (Intermediate)

[ascendant]

Here's what I'm considering:
Weeks 1-5: Var @ 75mg/day
Weeks 1-15: Test Cyp @400mg/wk
Weeks 1-15: Tren E @ 400mg/wk

I also have DNP and clen that I was planning to use. And yes, I know DNP is horrible, blah blah blah. Did it before, worked amazing, not a single issue on it other than feeling a little run down. I'm taking it, so that's happening, lol.

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So, had a couple questions about the cycle since the whole cutting cycle thing is new to me:

1) I don't want to take DNP for more than a few weeks at a time. I was considering rotating 3 weeks DNP, 2 weeks clen, and go back and forth with those two. As far as I'm aware, they both target different receptors, so I think that should work, right?

2) Was a toss up between var and winny, but seems like from what I read up on the comparison, var is better for my goal (maximize fat loss), right?

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Anyway, if you have any other suggestions, feedback, etc., I'm all ears. I'm not doing a particularly heavy cycle because I'm not looking to compete, just get more cut up while maintaining as much as I can (or ideally, even gain a little). Appreciate whatever feedback you guys have. Thanks.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

15 weeks of 400 tren E is insane.
DNP is poison.
Clen should be avoided unless you are already shredded and doing a competition.


You obviously are looking to cut and are willing to throw your health out the window to lose weight.

I would rather see you actually tighten up your diet.
Hell even try some HIIT.

I cut on 200 test and 200 tren.
I don't run tren longer than 4 weeks now.
I advise running tren no longer than 8 weeks.

If you can't cut on 400 tren for 15 weeks then something is obviously way off.

I realize I may sound like I am coming across harsh.
I don't mean to be insultive but I highly disagree with nearly everything in your cycle.

What are your current stats?

[ascendant]

15 weeks of 400 tren E is insane.
DNP is poison.
Clen should be avoided unless you are already shredded and doing a competition.


You obviously are looking to cut and are willing to throw your health out the window to lose weight.

I would rather see you actually tighten up your diet.
Hell even try some HIIT.

I cut on 200 test and 200 tren.
I don't run tren longer than 4 weeks now.
I advise running tren no longer than 8 weeks.

If you can't cut on 400 tren for 15 weeks then something is obviously way off.

I realize I may sound like I am coming across harsh.
I don't mean to be insultive but I highly disagree with nearly everything in your cycle.

What are your current stats?

I don't see it as harsh at all. I actually really appreciate the honest feedback. I've never done a cutting cycle before, so this is all new to me.

I don't do more than 200mcg/day of DNP. From everything I have researched on it, the dangerous sides all come from abuse.

As far as clen, my body tolerates it well and it seems to be (other than DNP) the only fat burner that actually makes a noticeable difference for me. I take taurine and potassium with it, and VERY modest doses are all I need on it. Again, from the research I've done on clen, the issues seem to come from abuse more than anything.

Not looking to throw my health out the window. I'm just extremely impatient when it comes to cutting up. My body bulks fast and easy (gained about 17lbs of lean mass since I started bulking up three weeks ago), but cutting has always been a pain for me, even when everything is in check.

My current stats are:
207lbs
~13%bf (but bulking on a cycle currently, so might go up to 15% or so)
5'10

When I cut up, I do carb cycling and am VERY strict with my diet and my cardio, which I do a ton of. I was an NASM trainer for over a decade and very methodical in my approach. But like I said, cutting has always been a huge project for me that I can't stand, hence trying to get it done asap and out the way.

I have never done tren before, so that's a new one for me there. If I were to limit it to 4-8wks at a time and a lower dose, what would you recommend to rotate it with? It's just that when I cut up after this bulking cycle, I could see myself having upwards of 7% bodyfat or so to lose, so I'm thinking 4wks won't cut it. Then again, I've never done such an aggressive cutting routine, nor any cycles during it.

I'm open to any suggestions and/or modifications you have. Seems I'm way overzealous on how much I'm considering here. Just been about 10+yrs since I've been in the shape I liked being in and anxious to get back there since I started a routine again about four months ago. And I'm with the most gorgeous woman I have ever met in my life, so that's incentive as well, lol.

[Wannabhuge14]

I don't see it as harsh at all. I actually really appreciate the honest feedback. I've never done a cutting cycle before, so this is all new to me.

I don't do more than 200mcg/day of DNP. From everything I have researched on it, the dangerous sides all come from abuse.

As far as clen, my body tolerates it well and it seems to be (other than DNP) the only fat burner that actually makes a noticeable difference for me. I take taurine and potassium with it, and VERY modest doses are all I need on it. Again, from the research I've done on clen, the issues seem to come from abuse more than anything.

Not looking to throw my health out the window. I'm just extremely impatient when it comes to cutting up. My body bulks fast and easy (gained about 17lbs of lean mass since I started bulking up three weeks ago), but cutting has always been a pain for me, even when everything is in check.

My current stats are:
207lbs
~13%bf (but bulking on a cycle currently, so might go up to 15% or so)
5'10

When I cut up, I do carb cycling and am VERY strict with my diet and my cardio, which I do a ton of. I was an NASM trainer for over a decade and very methodical in my approach. But like I said, cutting has always been a huge project for me that I can't stand, hence trying to get it done asap and out the way.

I have never done tren before, so that's a new one for me there. If I were to limit it to 4-8wks at a time and a lower dose, what would you recommend to rotate it with? It's just that when I cut up after this bulking cycle, I could see myself having upwards of 7% bodyfat or so to lose, so I'm thinking 4wks won't cut it. Then again, I've never done such an aggressive cutting routine, nor any cycles during it.

I'm open to any suggestions and/or modifications you have. Seems I'm way overzealous on how much I'm considering here. Just been about 10+yrs since I've been in the shape I liked being in and anxious to get back there since I started a routine again about four months ago. And I'm with the most gorgeous woman I have ever met in my life, so that's incentive as well, lol.

Why not just dial in your diet instead? As you know it doesn't matter what you take if your diet doesn't align with your end goal. I personally wouldn't touch clen or dnp. Is the small added advantage worth the risks involved, to me, no. I'd only touch those if there was large amounts of money at stake and I needed the added benefit.

[Test Monsterone]

Running tren while with "the most gorgeous woman" sounds like a plan for disaster. Maybe you're a really chill dude, but tren makes most people aggressive/jealous. If you do decide to run it, keep that in mind.

Also, I'm not sure it's possible to gain 17 lbs of lean mass in 3 weeks. I would say maybe a couple of lbs. at most, the rest being water and fat.

[wango]

Liked my var, clen t-3 cycle. Have run it twice now with nice gains of muscle and noticeable loss of fat (even with low doses).

Currently switching to tren ace, but will keep that less than 150. Regarding the last post ^^^, 100 % agreed. Even at low doses, my demeanor & attitude were changed and 17 pounds seems to be optimistic to me as well.

[ascendant]

Why not just dial in your diet instead? As you know it doesn't matter what you take if your diet doesn't align with your end goal. I personally wouldn't touch clen or dnp. Is the small added advantage worth the risks involved, to me, no. I'd only touch those if there was large amounts of money at stake and I needed the added benefit.

I do dial in my diet. I'm actually very strict with it when cutting. It's simply if I can get from point A to point B much faster with minimal side-effects, I'd rather do that faster so I don't have to spend as many hours doing tons of cardio. I don't have enough hours in the day as it is, so the faster I can get through cutting up, the better. No amount of refining your diet and routine can compensate for adding in a fat-burner.

And I wouldn't call clen or DNP a "small added advantage." Even with clen, I get results about 15-20% faster, which saves me both time and trouble. And I have used clen at least six times during cutting phases over the years. Not a single problem on it, nor any health issues based on multiple check-ups.

Personally, I feel people worry too much about fat-burners because of horror stories, most of which are based on people who abused the products to the extent where the damage was self-inflicted due to incompetence and/or recklessness, or they had underlying health issues the product exacerbated. Neither of which are a concern for me. So, the risks at the doses I would take and in my current state of health are fairly non-existent.

[ascendant]

Running tren while with "the most gorgeous woman" sounds like a plan for disaster. Maybe you're a really chill dude, but tren makes most people aggressive/jealous. If you do decide to run it, keep that in mind.

Also, I'm not sure it's possible to gain 17 lbs of lean mass in 3 weeks. I would say maybe a couple of lbs. at most, the rest being water and fat.

Thanks for the heads up about the tren. It is something that will be new for me, but I'm an extremely laid back guy when it comes to relationships. I couldn't possibly see myself becoming aggressive or jealous, but I'll certainly pay attention to that and start out on a low dose to give it a test run this time around.

As far as the weight gain, I track my bodyfat % and keeping that in check, but you're right in that I'm sure a modest amount is water weight too. I have put on a substantial amount of muscle though too. Mainly just want to add a bit more, then refine it.