Anything new in the world of performance enhancing drugs in the last 5 years?

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 02-19-2021, 06:05 PM

Hey all,

Been out of the "performance enhancing drugs" world for about five years now. Been on trt at about 150 mgs of t enth per week since my last blast. Looking to jump back into it this spring to help with my goals of bringing my performance in an athletic endeavor to another level.

Just wondering if there have been any substantial revelations or new compounds that have hit the scene? I have experience with most aas compounds, most of the sarms , hgh, insulin and a good amount of other peptides (ghrp 2 and 6, igf lr3, cjc)

Was thinking of running 3 months of something pretty simple (test and maybe an oral kicker, always liked turinabol ) followed by a "bridge" of a lower dose of sarms and back to my trt dose (havent decided which ones yet) and slingshot that into another blast. Over next winter

**kelkel** · 02-19-2021, 08:21 PM

Familiar with MK-677?

**Gallowmere** · 02-20-2021, 02:03 AM

Nothing new in the last five years, and barely anything worth mentioning in the last 20.

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 02-20-2021, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Familiar with MK-677?

Not overly, did a bit of reading. What are your thoughts on it?

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 02-20-2021, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

Nothing new in the last five years, and barely anything worth mentioning in the last 20.

No love for sarms ? I think they can be quite useful in certain applications.

And cardarine did wonders for my endurance. Shaved 30 seconds off my km pace in a matter of weeks.

**Gallowmere** · 02-20-2021, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by S&S_ShovelHead

No love for sarms ? I think they can be quite useful in certain applications.

And cardarine did wonders for my endurance. Shaved 30 seconds off my km pace in a matter of weeks.

The current crop are trash. They were abandoned in development for a reason. That doesn’t happen with good drugs.
The theory behind SARMs is sound, and maybe one day we’ll have good ones, but for now they’re just “hilariously ineffective and problem ridden AAS-lite”.

**rise_against** · 02-20-2021, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

The current crop are trash. They were abandoned in development for a reason. That doesn’t happen with good drugs.
The theory behind SARMs is sound, and maybe one day we’ll have good ones, but for now they’re just “hilariously ineffective and problem ridden AAS-lite”.

I had good success with 30mg of rad140 combined with 50mg Ostarine. Although yeah, definely some issues. Very suppressive and probably not worth running without a test base if you want to feel well. Made some crazy strength and size gains but imagine it would fall short of anavar and other orals. Don't have experience with anything other than test yet. Test is way better than sarms

**< <Samson> >** · 02-20-2021, 02:54 PM

Generic GH is much more widely available @ normal people price

That’s about it - well, uGL filtration seems to have advanced quite a bit within the last decade or so

**Gallowmere** · 02-20-2021, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by rise_against

I had good success with 30mg of rad140 combined with 50mg Ostarine. Although yeah, definely some issues. Very suppressive and probably not worth running without a test base if you want to feel well. Made some crazy strength and size gains but imagine it would fall short of anavar and other orals. Don't have experience with anything other than test yet. Test is way better than sarms

Exactly. Since it’s suppressive anyway, you’re better off with something like Anavar or a Winstrol which take 6-8 weeks to suppress people enough to where test even needs to be brought in.
From that, you’ll see FAR superior improvement to anything that SARMs can produce, and we already have lots of documentation of the side effects of those drugs and how to mitigate them. Not so much with SARMs, as we keep seeing new goofy ass sides popping up from, because the usage history is so short, and full clinical trials are practically nonexistent due to their stage of development during abandonment.

**S&S_ShovelHead** · 02-20-2021, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

The current crop are trash. They were abandoned in development for a reason. That doesn’t happen with good drugs.
The theory behind SARMs is sound, and maybe one day we’ll have good ones, but for now they’re just “hilariously ineffective and problem ridden AAS-lite”.

Thats quite a strong statement, not saying youre incorrect but do you have any data to back up that claim? I was very happy with the results i saw from them when used to bridge between blasts. My thinking was that they hit different receptors then aas and thus were giving them a break before blasting again. But let me say that, that was an ignorant thought i pulled out or my ass and may have been totally wrong, so someone with actual knowledge please chime in if it was being dumb.

**Gallowmere** · 02-20-2021, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by S&S_ShovelHead

Thats quite a strong statement, not saying youre incorrect but do you have any data to back up that claim? I was very happy with the results i saw from them when used to bridge between blasts. My thinking was that they hit different receptors then aas and thus were giving them a break before blasting again. But let me say that, that was an ignorant thought i pulled out or my ass and may have been totally wrong, so someone with actual knowledge please chime in if it was being dumb.

The sources could fill an entire page of this thread.
Google the following:
scholar Oxandrolone
scholar stananzolol
scholar (insert SARM research designation here)

When you exhaust yourself on the absurd amounts of general research papers available, you can narrow it down further by adding extra keywords such as suppression, lean tissue, side effect, etc.
I shit you not, you could spend months pouring through the available literature. If you come across something particularly interesting that’s behind a paywall, run the title through sci-hub (you’ll need to google for its current domain as it has to keep moving due to being illegal) to bypass and get the full paper.

**charger69** · 02-20-2021, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by S&S_ShovelHead

Thats quite a strong statement, not saying youre incorrect but do you have any data to back up that claim? I was very happy with the results i saw from them when used to bridge between blasts. My thinking was that they hit different receptors then aas and thus were giving them a break before blasting again. But let me say that, that was an ignorant thought i pulled out or my ass and may have been totally wrong, so someone with actual knowledge please chime in if it was being dumb.

Wait a minute.... different receptors? Please explain.

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**charger69** · 02-20-2021, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

Exactly. Since it’s suppressive anyway, you’re better off with something like Anavar or a Winstrol which take 6-8 weeks to suppress people enough to where test even needs to be brought in.
From that, you’ll see FAR superior improvement to anything that SARMs can produce, and we already have lots of documentation of the side effects of those drugs and how to mitigate them. Not so much with SARMs, as we keep seeing new goofy ass sides popping up from, because the usage history is so short, and full clinical trials are practically nonexistent due to their stage of development during abandonment.

Can you provide the reference of 6-8 weeks to suppress? I have been looking for time of suppression and have not been able to locate anything.

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**charger69** · 02-20-2021, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by S&S_ShovelHead

Not overly, did a bit of reading. What are your thoughts on it?

One of the best SARMS IMO. Note: I do use SARM’s in conjunction with AAS. I also use SR9009 at the end of a bulk.
MK677 allows me to eat more than I normally do. I can down a lot of food with MK when bulking.

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**Gallowmere** · 02-20-2021, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by charger69

Can you provide the reference of 6-8 weeks to suppress? I have been looking for time of suppression and have not been able to locate anything.

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That’s not a scientific reference thing. That’s a bloodwork of users thing. And 6-8 weeks is the median from what I understand. Some are as low as four, and some fucking freaks can run a full cycle duration of it without levels dropping off.
I’ll see if I can get approval to black out personal information and post such things, but I wouldn’t hold out hope.

**Wannabhuge14** · 02-20-2021, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by charger69

One of the best SARMS IMO. Note: I do use SARM’s in conjunction with AAS. I also use SR9009 at the end of a bulk.
MK677 allows me to eat more than I normally do. I can down a lot of food with MK when bulking.

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It gives me an insatiable appetite. I'm literally thinking about my next meal while eating the current one. Food is all I can think about from the time I wake up until I go to sleep. I would sat it's worse than being high and having the munchies. Eat low calorie dense foods they say...right.