First run with mast and anavar

Not really a log but just a short mention...

Around 3 weeks ago I started my first cycle in a while.
Most here know I run very moderate cycles.

Started at 5'8" and 231lbs about 14-15% bf.
Trying to lean out a bit and maintain or gain strength.

Been running 300 test E weekly 300 mast E weekly and 20 anavar/day.
Sometimes I forget my anavar...
Tightened up my diet by cutting out most processed foods.
I eat mostly red meat and fruit and one or two whey and yogurt and fruit smoothies with creatine a day. (it is rumored I also drink some vodka...)

I am currently 225lbs.
Most of the weight lost is water I am sure.
I do feel like the mast has hardened up my look.
I dare say it is more noticable than when I am on 200mg of tren E.

My strength seems to be increasing.

My logic of the cycle comes from talking to some members here and from More Plates More Dates.
The mast should give me some strength gains but not much muscle gain.
The test and anavar should help a bit with everything.

I will post more if anything noteworthy happens.

Hoping to get down to about 220lbs and 12-13% bf.

Will run the cycle for 10-12 weeks.
I may up the anavar to 40/day.

I do seem to be burping more. (have more stomach gas... my wife has commented)

Oh... and the sex drive is maddening.

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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Not really a log but just a short mention...

Around 3 weeks ago I started my first cycle in a while.
Most here know I run very moderate cycles.

Started at 5'8" and 231lbs about 14-15% bf.
Trying to lean out a bit and maintain or gain strength.

Been running 300 test E weekly 300 mast E weekly and 20 anavar/day.
Sometimes I forget my anavar...
Tightened up my diet by cutting out most processed foods.
I eat mostly red meat and fruit and one or two whey and yogurt and fruit smoothies with creatine a day. (it is rumored I also drink some vodka...)

I am currently 225lbs.
Most of the weight lost is water I am sure.
I do feel like the mast has hardened up my look.
I dare say it is more noticable than when I am on 200mg of tren E.

My strength seems to be increasing.

My logic of the cycle comes from talking to some members here and from More Plates More Dates.
The mast should give me some strength gains but not much muscle gain.
The test and anavar should help a bit with everything.

I will post more if anything noteworthy happens.

Hoping to get down to about 220lbs and 12-13% bf.

Will run the cycle for 10-12 weeks.
I may up the anavar to 40/day.

I do seem to be burping more. (have more stomach gas... my wife has commented)

Oh... and the sex drive is maddening.

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How long will you run the Anavar ?

At 20mg I am guesstimating that 12 weeks won’t kill me.

If my stomach gas gets worse then I will cut it out.

Broderick Chavez and Derek have both made videos breaking down gear into three categories: the Tests, the Nors, and the DHT derivities... To me, it doesn't make sense to "waste" your time/money stacking ones from the same category. If I were you, I would have done prop, ace, and var or masteron. I don't see the point in taking two cosmetic drugs when you can replace them with something more potent. I would replace one of them with tren, but that's me and I love tren lol.

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Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser

Broderick Chavez and Derek have both made videos breaking down gear into three categories: the Tests, the Nors, and the DHT derivities... To me, it doesn't make sense to "waste" your time/money stacking ones from the same category. If I were you, I would have done prop, ace, and var or masteron. I don't see the point in taking two cosmetic drugs when you can replace them with something more potent. I would replace one of them with tren, but that's me and I love tren lol.

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I may have messed up with Derek's video...

Will search for it again.
Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmuOH7X-YT0

As far as tren goes...
only for 4 weeks before a meet for me.

Yea.

Broderick also goes into how each drug has a purpose and should be used for that goal rather then arbitrarily added because someone else liked it or broscience.

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Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser

Yea.

Broderick also goes into how each drug has a purpose and should be used for that goal rather then arbitrarily added because someone else liked it or broscience.

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Yes but...
Halo is in the same group as testosterone.
And they are completely different drugs with completely different results.

I thought that the mast would give strength (androgenic) and the anavar would give a small anabolic boost.
And test is just best.

So I finished up about 10 weeks of 300 test 300 mast and 20 anavar...

I cut about 10-11lbs and kinda maintained strength.

I have received some compliments about my looks.
Some saying this is the best I've looked... It's a shame that I haven't been able to get a tan yet.
Damn northeast...

As good as the mast and anavar was for cutting...
I will say I was underwhelmed with recovery.
I also seem more prone to slight muscle strains... perhaps being a bit dry from the mast.

I have blood work coming up and I will probably repeat a similar cycle afterwards.

I am going to try perhaps 400 test 200 mast and 40-50 anavar.
(I love test.)

Also... mast is almost as strong as tren as far as ramping up my sex drive.

I am sitting at 5'8" and 220lbs.
Probably around 13% bodyfat.


Gonna try to lose maybe 5 more lbs before I start my next cycle.
Running 80-100mg of test for 2+ months is gonna suck.

I would say your anavar is to low dose at 20. 50-75 mgs daily is good for a cycle. You’re also running 2 DHTs which I’m sure you know isn’t ideal but I’m all for experimenting to see how your body responds. A great cycle should always be a testosterone,19nor, and a dht. Also try taking your var sublingual for less gas or digestion issues and not losing 30% passing through the liver

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Originally Posted by warchild

I would say your anavar is to low dose at 20. 50-75 mgs daily is good for a cycle. You’re also running 2 DHTs which I’m sure you know isn’t ideal but I’m all for experimenting to see how your body responds. A great cycle should always be a testosterone,19nor, and a dht. Also try taking your var sublingual for less gas or digestion issues and not losing 30% passing through the liver

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Not sure where that Var dosage comes from other than what bodybuilders tell each to take. Var is essentially a pure anabolic that upregulates protein synthesis. Taking more isn't going to give you extra out of it like it does with andro/estrogenic compounds. I don't think 50mg is exorbitant but beyond is pushing diminishing returns with more organ damage and money down the drain. I think DD's var dosage is on point.

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Originally Posted by Chark

Not sure where that Var dosage comes from other than what bodybuilders tell each to take. Var is essentially a pure anabolic that upregulates protein synthesis. Taking more isn't going to give you extra out of it like it does with andro/estrogenic compounds. I don't think 50mg is exorbitant but beyond is pushing diminishing returns with more organ damage and money down the drain. I think DD's var dosage is on point.

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My hrt clinic offers anavar in 20 and 50mg tabs. 20 is what they give the females and males get 50. But hey if 20 works then go with it. I’m just saying what I would do and what I’ve seen others take.

How was the hair on that mast dose? Or are we already past that lol

I have no hair loss what-so-ever...
No male pattern baldness genes I guess.

I heard mast is hell on hair.

I have however gained body hair with my cycles.

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Originally Posted by warchild

My hrt clinic offers anavar in 20 and 50mg tabs. 20 is what they give the females and males get 50. But hey if 20 works then go with it. I’m just saying what I would do and what I’ve seen others take.

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Where’s this clinic!

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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

I have no hair loss what-so-ever...
No male pattern baldness genes I guess.

I heard mast is hell on hair.

I have however gained body hair with my cycles.

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Yes. My traps and back sprouted up like wild fire.

I was jw. I’m consumed with mast and hair loss rn. Started at 400mg/wk 4 weeks ago but about to take it down to idk maybe 200mg~. Def noticed more hair loss than normal. Not worth it IMO. Especially when I have a full head of hair

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Originally Posted by warchild

My hrt clinic offers anavar in 20 and 50mg tabs. 20 is what they give the females and males get 50. But hey if 20 works then go with it. I’m just saying what I would do and what I’ve seen others take.

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The fact that your "hrt clinic" is giving you var is a red flag right there . ... That's called a money Pitt . Anavar is not part of a trt or hrt protocol.
I feel people were seriously bilorn yesterday.

Let me guess they have you on like 200-400mg of test a week right ? Hahah

Even better , they asked of you want some deca with some fries [emoji1787][emoji23][emoji1787]

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Originally Posted by chrisp83trt

the fact that your "hrt clinic" is giving you var is a red flag right there . ... That's called a money pitt . Anavar is not part of a trt or hrt protocol.
I feel people were seriously bilorn yesterday.

Let me guess they have you on like 200-400mg of test a week right ? Hahah

even better , they asked of you want some deca with some fries [emoji1787][emoji23][emoji1787]

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why do you care? Wheres your degree in hormones btw? The price for anavar is very affordable if you know anything about oxandrolone. Seriously your post just shows your ignorance in the world of hrt. Dont even know why i replied. Idiot

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Originally Posted by warchild

why do you care? Wheres your degree in hormones btw? The price for anavar is very affordable if you know anything about oxandrolone. Seriously your post just shows your ignorance in the world of hrt. Dont even know why i replied. Idiot

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I think he is pointing out that being prescribed Anavar as part of an HRT protocol is very unusual and raises a red flag around the clinic itself. I would agree that being given 50mg of Anavar as part of HRT is news to me but I’m sure a few of the much more experienced guys can elaborate.

There are TRT clinics that prescribe test, deca, anavar, hgh, hCG, AIs, peptides... you name it...

TRT clinics are not always out for your best interest.

FYI:
Adults: The response of individuals to anabolic steroids varies. The daily adult dosage is 2.5 mg to 20 mg given in 2 to 4 divided doses. The desired response may be achieved with as little as 2.5 mg or as much as 20 mg daily. A course of therapy of 2 to 4 weeks is usually adequate. This may be repeated intermittently as indicated.

Oxandrin® (oxandrolone) oral tablets contain 2.5 mg or 10 mg of the anabolic steroid oxandrolone.

https://www.rxlist.com/oxandrin-drug.htm#description

So regular doctors don't go over 20mg of anavar.

I have read of people going as high as 100mg on cycle.
(we are not regular...)

I think I will try 40mg next run.

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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

(we are not regular.).

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We all know you are not regular DLD

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Originally Posted by David LoPan

We all know you are not regular DLD

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Damn steroids have messed up my menstrual cycle...

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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

There are TRT clinics that prescribe test, deca, anavar, hgh, hCG, AIs, peptides... you name it...

TRT clinics are not always out for your best interest.

FYI:
Adults: The response of individuals to anabolic steroids varies. The daily adult dosage is 2.5 mg to 20 mg given in 2 to 4 divided doses. The desired response may be achieved with as little as 2.5 mg or as much as 20 mg daily. A course of therapy of 2 to 4 weeks is usually adequate. This may be repeated intermittently as indicated.

Oxandrin® (oxandrolone) oral tablets contain 2.5 mg or 10 mg of the anabolic steroid oxandrolone.

https://www.rxlist.com/oxandrin-drug.htm#description

So regular doctors don't go over 20mg of anavar.

I have read of people going as high as 100mg on cycle.
(we are not regular...)

I think I will try 40mg next run.

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Have you ever seen what the medical literature says for prescribing Anadrol? Respectfully I ask you this question....The recommended daily dose in children and adults is 1-5 mg/kg of body weight per day. The usual effective dose is 1-2 mg/kg/day but higher doses may be required, and the dose should be individualized. Response is not often immediate, and a minimum trial of three to six months should be given. Sounds extremely high, doesn't it? The point im making is sometimes times the data isn't accurate or is out dated....

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Originally Posted by tarmyg

I think he is pointing out that being prescribed Anavar as part of an HRT protocol is very unusual and raises a red flag around the clinic itself. I would agree that being given 50mg of Anavar as part of HRT is news to me but I’m sure a few of the much more experienced guys can elaborate.

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That's not what he meant. Look around every clinic ive spoken with prescribes anavar along with other anabolics and peptides. Curious have any of you even attended an anti aging convention? Well, I have and these items are commonly lectured about with a wide range of benefits. This info comes from well reputed doctors so I will listen to them and put in my body what I feel will benefit me. I thought this was a steroid forum anyways....

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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

There are TRT clinics that prescribe test, deca, anavar, hgh, hCG, AIs, peptides... you name it...

TRT clinics are not always out for your best interest.

FYI:
Adults: The response of individuals to anabolic steroids varies. The daily adult dosage is 2.5 mg to 20 mg given in 2 to 4 divided doses. The desired response may be achieved with as little as 2.5 mg or as much as 20 mg daily. A course of therapy of 2 to 4 weeks is usually adequate. This may be repeated intermittently as indicated.

Oxandrin® (oxandrolone) oral tablets contain 2.5 mg or 10 mg of the anabolic steroid oxandrolone.

https://www.rxlist.com/oxandrin-drug.htm#description

So regular doctors don't go over 20mg of anavar.

I have read of people going as high as 100mg on cycle.
(we are not regular...)

I think I will try 40mg next run.

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Don't forget anadrol, winstrol and d-bol is now being offered at some clinics. Like I said I communicate with numerous HRT clinics and follow Anti aging medicine. This is all in the states btw.

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Originally Posted by warchild

That's not what he meant. Look around every clinic ive spoken with prescribes anavar along with other anabolics and peptides. Curious have any of you even to an anti aging convention? Well, I have and these items are commonly lectured about with a wide range of benefits. This info comes from well reputed doctors so I will listen to them and put in my body what I feel will benefit me. I thought this was a steroid forum anyways....

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Not sure why you come across as so offended? You stated something, someone stated their opinion on it, I said it was news to me and asked others to weigh in. Generally how it works.

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Originally Posted by warchild

Have you ever seen what the medical literature says for prescribing Anadrol? Respectfully I ask you this question....The recommended daily dose in children and adults is 1-5 mg/kg of body weight per day. The usual effective dose is 1-2 mg/kg/day but higher doses may be required, and the dose should be individualized. Response is not often immediate, and a minimum trial of three to six months should be given. Sounds extremely high, doesn't it?

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I meant no disrespect.

I have no doubt your clinic prescribes Anavar at 50mg to men and 20mg to women.

I just was sharing what the medical information says about Anavar...

Now the dose of Anadrol does seem high... at 2mg/kg I would be taking 200mg/day... at 5mg/kg I would be taking 500mg/day!!!!
(Anadrol comes only in 50mg tablets I believe.)

However we must note that Anadrol is "used to treat the symptoms of anemia caused by deficient red cell production."
https://www.rxlist.com/anadrol-50-drug.htm#description


Anavar is prescribed to "promote weight gain after weight loss following extensive surgery, chronic infections, or severe trauma, and in some patients who without definite pathophysiologic reasons fail to gain or to maintain normal weight, to offset the protein catabolism associated with prolonged administration of corticosteroids, and for the relief of the bone pain frequently accompanying osteoporosis".

https://www.rxlist.com/oxandrin-drug.htm#indications

So the drugs are used to treat totally different conditions.


I know that this forum usually recommends women take either 2.5, 5, or 10mg of anavar. I haven't seen it recommended higher. (I could easily be wrong.)

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Originally Posted by tarmyg

Not sure why you come across as so offended? You stated something, someone stated their opinion on it, I said it was news to me and asked others to weigh in. Generally how it works.

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Not offended, maybe annoyed because what someones clinic prescribes, someone on a forum thinks he knows more. Ive always come here to learn and help. I took a break from the forum because I got tired of negativity. Some of you are great and offer a wealth of knowledge and experience. I like to think I can as well but I truly get annoyed when someone questions what im prescribed. Ive been taking AAS for close to 20 years so maybe just maybe I know what works for me.

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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

I meant no disrespect.

I have no doubt your clinic prescribes Anavar at 50mg to men and 20mg to women.

I just was sharing what the medical information says about Anavar...

Now the dose of Anadrol does seem high... at 2mg/kg I would be taking 200mg/day... at 5mg/kg I would be taking 500mg/day!!!!

However we must note that Anadrol is "used to treat the symptoms of anemia caused by deficient red cell production."
https://www.rxlist.com/anadrol-50-drug.htm#description


Anavar is prescribed to "promote weight gain after weight loss following extensive surgery, chronic infections, or severe trauma, and in some patients who without definite pathophysiologic reasons fail to gain or to maintain normal weight, to offset the protein catabolism associated with prolonged administration of corticosteroids, and for the relief of the bone pain frequently accompanying osteoporosis".

https://www.rxlist.com/oxandrin-drug.htm#indications

So the drugs are used to treat totally different conditions.


I know that this forum usually recommends women take either 2.5, 5, or 10mg of anavar. I haven't seen it recommended higher. (I could easily be wrong.)

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DD I know from discussions with you you meant NO disrespect. I'm sharing my experiences of HRT with you. Like my post said if that dose of 20mgs works for you, then HELL YA! I wanted to inform you of what a clinic would prescribe for someone like you.

And yes 500mg of oxymetholone seems crazy high! Ive never done more than 50mgs daily and pulled to plug after 3 weeks cus I couldn't take how it made me feel.

been cutting for months now...
new low of 217lbs...

my workouts and strength are really starting to suffer...
my recovery is way down...
only running 100mg of test ATM...

bloodwork in 3 weeks...

I can't wait to get back on...

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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

only running 100mg of test ATM.....

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that's nasty

My prescribed TRT is 80mg/week.
I try, and stress try, to do 3 months on and 3 months of 80-100mgs.