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Thread: Is my bp too high to start cycle?

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    Is my bp too high to start cycle?

    So 30 years old been blasting and cruising for years.
    Been cruising on test for a year now and only blast during the summer for 3 months.

    My bp has always been around this or even higher in past. Family has history of high bp.

    Was dumb when I was younger and never went to Dr so now that I'm older I'm finally trying to get on top of it.

    Bp average is usually around 150/90 sometimes less. Been seeing my Dr and I'm going to start taking a low dose bp med to help it starting this week.

    I wanted to start my blast June 1st. Was going to do 300 test and 300 npp for 12 weeks with anavar the last 4 weeks.

    Trying to keep doses moderate. You think I cam still do my blast and just monitor my bp closely and drop back to cruise. Hoping the bp meds help big time.

    Just wondering what you guys think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireguy1990 View Post
    So 30 years old been blasting and cruising for years.
    Been cruising on test for a year now and only blast during the summer for 3 months.

    My bp has always been around this or even higher in past. Family has history of high bp.

    Was dumb when I was younger and never went to Dr so now that I'm older I'm finally trying to get on top of it.

    Bp average is usually around 150/90 sometimes less. Been seeing my Dr and I'm going to start taking a low dose bp med to help it starting this week.

    I wanted to start my blast June 1st. Was going to do 300 test and 300 npp for 12 weeks with anavar the last 4 weeks.

    Trying to keep doses moderate. You think I cam still do my blast and just monitor my bp closely and drop back to cruise. Hoping the bp meds help big time.

    Just wondering what you guys think?
    Thanks !
    You need to get it under control first and foremost. It's a silent killer and the complications over time if you let it run high are very real. Use the medication and change your diet. Cut the salt out.

    Once you get your BP under control maybe then you can consider gear, but certainly not before.

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    Exactly as HK said. Plus, your doc (and you) will want to see what effect the bp meds have. I'd wait to run the cycle in July at the earliest if you start the meds now....

    If it makes you feel any better, I just started my cycle last week and had to end it after two shots. Blood results came in and weren't where I want them to be before running a cycle. Things happen, but health is always first. I know you wanna look good for the summer... just diet down a bit and run something in a month or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Exactly as HK said. Plus, your doc (and you) will want to see what effect the bp meds have. I'd wait to run the cycle in July at the earliest if you start the meds now....

    If it makes you feel any better, I just started my cycle last week and had to end it after two shots. Blood results came in and weren't where I want them to be before running a cycle. Things happen, but health is always first. I know you wanna look good for the summer... just diet down a bit and run something in a month or so.

    Thanks for reply. Other concern I had was my egf level which was 57. My creatinine was way above normal so assuming that has something to do with it as well since it's just an estimated measurement

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    Dr prescribed me 10 mg lisinoprol. Any of you guys on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireguy1990 View Post
    Thanks for reply. Other concern I had was my egf level which was 57. My creatinine was way above normal so assuming that has something to do with it as well since it's just an estimated measurement
    I've got kidney function problems too. I recently started a thread in the lounge about this very topic. I got some good responses and I think you would also benefit from reading it:

    https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...-function.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireguy1990 View Post
    Dr prescribed me 10 mg lisinoprol. Any of you guys on that?
    I take 80 mg lisinopril a day and 25 mg atenolol.

    You sure he prescribed you just 10? I didn't even think it came that low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireguy1990 View Post
    Dr prescribed me 10 mg lisinoprol. Any of you guys on that?
    They start you off on a low dose and usually raise it until your BP goes down to a manageable level. He might add other meds to it too.

    When I was on that stuff, I ended up getting this chronic cough that wouldn't ever go away. Day or night. The inside of my throat would itch so bad and the only relief was to cough. But I understand most people don't get that side effect.

    I'm being prescribed Norvasc and Coreg. And it's got my BP in the 120 range. There's a lot of BP options out there and it takes some trial and error to find what will work best for you. One thing I would do is buy a blood pressure monitor and use it every day at the same time and keep a log of your BP. That way you can give your doctor more information and he can better decide what's best.
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    ^^^ I can only echo the responses above. Have a sphygmomanometer and stethoscope (awkward if you're checking your own BP), an auto inflate type device, or I think some guys use one that goes on the wrist? I like my autoinflate cuff. Stay on top of your BP; it can cause so many issues, particularly your heart and kidneys, but there are other complications just as serious.

    As mentioned above, you probably will have to go through an adjustment of your dosage or possibly switch to a different type of BP med. For me, the combo seems to be Coreg/carvedilol, Atacand/candesartan, and Maxzide( triamterene/hctz).

    Put the cycle on hold for now until you get your BP in check. Once you do get stabilized and jump into a cycle, make doubly sure you monitor your BP. It's almost certain to increase.
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    So been taking carditone 5mg cialis and cardio and tbe last bp i took was 125/78. Not sure if i should ass the lisinopril in or keep it on hand during blast and if it goes up i can take it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireguy1990 View Post
    So been taking carditone 5mg cialis and cardio and tbe last bp i took was 125/78. Not sure if i should ass the lisinopril in or keep it on hand during blast and if it goes up i can take it.
    You should wait a while for your doctor to think you're stabilized. Your kidney function should be something to worry about too. You really need to keep the BP down. You don't want to be on the transplant list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    You should wait a while for your doctor to think you're stabilized. Your kidney function should be something to worry about too. You really need to keep the BP down. You don't want to be on the transplant list.

    Got recent bloods and egfr went up to 62 now since stopping my creatine supplement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireguy1990 View Post
    Got recent bloods and egfr went up to 62 now since stopping my creatine supplement
    For somebody who is 30, it should be up around 107. Look I'm not trying to scare you or anything, but need preserve your kidneys for as long as you can. I know doctors like to use meds to reduce BP in to the 120s, but ideally, you want it under 120. High blood pressure ruins kidneys over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    For somebody who is 30, it should be up around 107. Look I'm not trying to scare you or anything, but need preserve your kidneys for as long as you can. I know doctors like to use meds to reduce BP in to the 120s, but ideally, you want it under 120. High blood pressure ruins kidneys over time.
    Yea but dr said the egfr is pretty innacurate if you have a lot of muscle mass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireguy1990 View Post
    Yea but dr said the egfr is pretty innacurate if you have a lot of muscle mass
    You likely don't have the muscle mass of a prime Ronnie Coleman, so it's most likely reasonably accurate. I'm not trying to pick at you, but kidney function that bad at 30 is something to take very seriously. I'm 10 years older than you and I've got a eGFR of 38 in about 2 years it went from where yours is to this. That's not a very long time.

    What I'm trying to say is that a little bit of muscle or moving a little heavier of plates is not worth your health.

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    I'm lurking and been reading and I appreciate your words of wisdom. I am 38 years old and am on 20mg lisinopril. I am at 121/65 with it. My diastolic used to be a bit higher but exercise has helped it go down from 80 to 65ish. If I can get my systolic down I'd like to talk to the doc about getting off the BP meds but maybe I will be taking them for life who knows.

    I take my health seriously but I didn't always and let my BP get out of hand. I am running test only right now and I was worried that my BP might go up during the test, but it has actually gone down. My guess is that it is because I was sedentary during COVID and have been working out hard again many months and now my body is just getting in better shape because test should be raising my BP not lowering it. Also, I wonder if supplements can help BP? I have started on Taurine and Insotil-Choline and CoQ10 and others, and some people have reported some of these helped their BP. I think exercise has more impact than supplements.

    Anyways, I don't have much to add, just lurking and want to watch this thread. I hope to get off the Lisinopril someday but hearing others use it here and don't have problems with it is reassuring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinAZ View Post
    I'm lurking and been reading and I appreciate your words of wisdom. I am 38 years old and am on 20mg lisinopril. I am at 121/65 with it. My diastolic used to be a bit higher but exercise has helped it go down from 80 to 65ish. If I can get my systolic down I'd like to talk to the doc about getting off the BP meds but maybe I will be taking them for life who knows.

    I take my health seriously but I didn't always and let my BP get out of hand. I am running test only right now and I was worried that my BP might go up during the test, but it has actually gone down. My guess is that it is because I was sedentary during COVID and have been working out hard again many months and now my body is just getting in better shape because test should be raising my BP not lowering it. Also, I wonder if supplements can help BP? I have started on Taurine and Insotil-Choline and CoQ10 and others, and some people have reported some of these helped their BP. I think exercise has more impact than supplements.

    Anyways, I don't have much to add, just lurking and want to watch this thread. I hope to get off the Lisinopril someday but hearing others use it here and don't have problems with it is reassuring.
    Thanks bro what your recent egfr level

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinAZ View Post
    I'm lurking and been reading and I appreciate your words of wisdom. I am 38 years old and am on 20mg lisinopril. I am at 121/65 with it. My diastolic used to be a bit higher but exercise has helped it go down from 80 to 65ish. If I can get my systolic down I'd like to talk to the doc about getting off the BP meds but maybe I will be taking them for life who knows.

    I take my health seriously but I didn't always and let my BP get out of hand. I am running test only right now and I was worried that my BP might go up during the test, but it has actually gone down. My guess is that it is because I was sedentary during COVID and have been working out hard again many months and now my body is just getting in better shape because test should be raising my BP not lowering it. Also, I wonder if supplements can help BP? I have started on Taurine and Insotil-Choline and CoQ10 and others, and some people have reported some of these helped their BP. I think exercise has more impact than supplements.

    Anyways, I don't have much to add, just lurking and want to watch this thread. I hope to get off the Lisinopril someday but hearing others use it here and don't have problems with it is reassuring.
    lisinopril is one of the most common BP medications. I think that was the first one my doctor prescribed me. It gave me a constant chronic cough though. I throat always felt like it was itching from the inside. But there are a whole plethora of other medications.

    Some people can improve their diets and cardio and not need to continue to take BP meds. But if you're not one of those people, taking a pill everyday isn't that big of a deal. It certainly beats having a stroke, heart attack or other organ failure early in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    For somebody who is 30, it should be up around 107. Look I'm not trying to scare you or anything, but need preserve your kidneys for as long as you can. I know doctors like to use meds to reduce BP in to the 120s, but ideally, you want it under 120. High blood pressure ruins kidneys over time.
    Went with the cystatin c test and my cystatine c level was 1.0 and my egfr for that was 87 now.

    Going to let my dr know and hop on a bp med. Stuvk around 130/80 with long family hx of hypertention so think its the best route. Trying to get telmesartan instead of the lisinopril though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireguy1990 View Post
    Went with the cystatin c test and my cystatine c level was 1.0 and my egfr for that was 87 now.

    Going to let my dr know and hop on a bp med. Stuvk around 130/80 with long family hx of hypertention so think its the best route. Trying to get telmesartan instead of the lisinopril though.
    Just remember, you may have to try different meds within the same type of BP med classification.

    Telmisartan and candesartan are both ARBs. Telmisartan does nothing for me but candesartan does.
    Not saying telmisartan doesn't work, but some meds that just don't perform well for one person may work perfectly for another person..


    Good job on addressing this though, especially given your family history of hypertension!
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    Just remember, you may have to try different meds within the same type of BP med classification.

    Telmisartan and candesartan are both ARBs. Telmisartan does nothing for me but candesartan does.
    Not saying telmisartan doesn't work, but some meds that just don't perform well for one person may work perfectly for another person..

    Good job on addressing this though, especially given your family history of hypertension!
    Thanks brotha yea going to talk to my dr this week see what she reccomends over the two. Prescibed me lisinopril so maybe ill start with that. Just heard good things with telmesartan
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    Very good topic, learning a lot around here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireguy1990 View Post
    Dr prescribed me 10 mg lisinoprol. Any of you guys on that?
    yes it is a good tier 1 ace inhibitor medication but if your BP is in the 150 range it is not strong enough to take to 120. My BP is in the 140 range with no medication. You will need Nifedipine added to keep normal while blasting most likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireguy1990 View Post
    Went with the cystatin c test and my cystatine c level was 1.0 and my egfr for that was 87 now.

    Going to let my dr know and hop on a bp med. Stuvk around 130/80 with long family hx of hypertention so think its the best route. Trying to get telmesartan instead of the lisinopril though.
    That sounds like a good idea. I wouldn't be too set on any specific BP med, but rather be open to try whatever my doctor wants to try until we find something that works the best. What will work for me might not work good for your and vice versa. Your doctor should likely order regular bloodwork for a while to make sure the meds are not harming you, until he thinks you're stable.
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