Clomid during test/tren/mast/drol?

**Griff579** · 07-05-2021, 04:11 PM

6’1 260lbs experienced.

Currently on week 6 of a 12wk test/tren /mast cycle, all short esters, all at 600mg each per week because it’s a blend. I’m adding 100mg a day of anadrol for the last 6 weeks (I like orals at the end of my cycles) and then will cut back to 300 test a week from weeks 12-16 before I start pct.

I’m currently taking aromasin eod but I understand that anadrol will raise estro levels through a mechanism other than aromitization so it seems a SERM should be added. Nolva is out of the question because I’m on tren so I’m thinking of running clomid concurrently with the aromasin to keep estro sides in check.. Looking for opinions on adding the clomid. Thanks

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**redz** · 07-05-2021, 07:30 PM

You should run nolva if you need to not clomid. Not sure you need so much aromasin with mast in the cycle. Did blood work indicate the need for the ai?

**Griff579** · 07-05-2021, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by redz

You should run nolva if you need to not clomid. Not sure you need so much aromasin with mast in the cycle. Did blood work indicate the need for the ai?

Sorry I meant aromasin e3d @ 12.5. I haven’t done blood work this time around. I’ve had bloodwork for past cycles and I aromatize test to estro pretty easily, I figured with the additional progesterone from the tren it wouldn’t hurt to keep the estrogen on the low side.

As far as the reasoning for not running nolva is that it shouldn’t be ran with tren since it can exaggerate the progesterone sides. So I figured clomid would do the trick. I know it’s normally used during pct but is there any drawback for using it on cycle?

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**redz** · 07-05-2021, 08:23 PM

Nolva with tren is fine. I’ve never had an issue. I barely take ancillaries anymore and my cycles have doubled in effectiveness. Taking all kinds of ai’s and seems un necessarily will hamper your gains.

**Griff579** · 07-05-2021, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by redz

Nolva with tren is fine. I’ve never had an issue. I barely take ancillaries anymore and my cycles have doubled in effectiveness. Taking all kinds of ai’s and seems un necessarily will hamper your gains.

Interesting, I’ve always heard that nolva with 19 nors can exaggerate progesterone issues, especially with gyno.. I’ve never ran an AI and a SERM together but this is also the first time I’ve decided to run tren with anadrol .. just trying to be prepared. So what would you recommend as far as ancillarys? Should I drop the aromasin and just run nolva or should I do something different completely? Definitely open to suggestions. Thanks!

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**redz** · 07-06-2021, 08:11 PM

Personally I just keep the ancillaries on hand in case sides pop up. Your cycle will be exponentially better when it comes to results.

**redz** · 07-06-2021, 08:12 PM

I’m currently running 250mg test with 350mg tren e and 200mg tren ace with 50mcg T3 and 5ius HGH. I’m not taking any ai, serm or prolactin inhibitor.

**Griff579** · 07-06-2021, 10:17 PM

Right on, Thanks for the feedback. How you feeling on 50mcg t3, is it effecting your strength at all?

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**Wannabhuge14** · 07-06-2021, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Griff579

Sorry I meant aromasin e3d @ 12.5. I haven’t done blood work this time around. I’ve had bloodwork for past cycles and I aromatize test to estro pretty easily, I figured with the additional progesterone from the tren it wouldn’t hurt to keep the estrogen on the low side.

As far as the reasoning for not running nolva is that it shouldn’t be ran with tren since it can exaggerate the progesterone sides. So I figured clomid would do the trick. I know it’s normally used during pct but is there any drawback for using it on cycle?

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Pretty sure aromasin needs to be taken daily

**Griff579** · 07-07-2021, 09:51 AM

Aromasin is a suicidal AI so it permanently disables the aromatase enzyme once it binds, so you can take more on a as needed basis.

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**redz** · 07-07-2021, 12:53 PM

50mcg T3 doesn’t negatively impact my strength at all. I mainly do it because of the hgh but also tren can lower it too. I feel great on the cycle.

**kelkel** · 07-07-2021, 12:59 PM

Just run 10 mgs nolva daily and drop the AI.

**Griff579** · 07-07-2021, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Cylon357

Just as a heads up, I'm pretty sure Clomid will not keep Estrogen sides in check. In fact, it brings estrogen sides. 3/8ths of Clomid is Zuclomiphene, an estrogenic compound that is responsible for most of the negatives associated with Clomid use. It is even possible to develop gyno from extended, high dose use of Clomid, in absence of other compounds to mitigate the risk.

Clomid is definitely not a substitute for either Nolvadex or an AI. Different mechanism of action than nolvadex, and an entirely different function than an AI.

That definitely makes sense, thank you!

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