Elevated AST ALT - Tren, Anavar, HGH Use

[webbull]

Hi Everyone.

I just got some labs back today that detected elevated AST ALT levels. See attached screenshot.

AST 62
ALT 62

I was running Var for 30 days and then stopped about 3-4 weeks before these labs. However I have been on very light dose of Tren A (100mg/wK) and HGH (2-4iu/day monday -friday). Does tren or HGH cause increase in in AST ALT as much as var? Perhaps my levels were much higher when running var and I have been recovering? Should I be concerned with these levels? Should I stop Tren immediately?

PS. I have added 1200mg of NAC daily after seeing these labs. How much will NAC improve ALT AST levels...enough to keep running tren/hgh?

[SampsonandDelilah]

My ALT/AST levels are ALWAYS elevated.

Muscle is broken down and those proteins are excreted through the liver. They can be even higher if you’ve happened to workout prior to your labs.

Extremely common and I’ve gone as far as having an ultrasound to insure my liver wasn’t compromised. Those levels are troubling and more fall in line in the “annoying” side.

The more muscle you have and the harder to workout out the higher your propensity is for having elevated levels

Hope that brings some relief. Adding NAC did help lower mine slightly

I’ve had this issue for a long time and have had multiple specialists examine me and talk through it with me…I am no longer concerned about them


Edit:

Went back and pulled my last couple of labs for comparison and mine sit anywhere from 72 to 88

[charger69]

My ALT/AST levels are ALWAYS elevated.

Muscle is broken down and those proteins are excreted through the liver. They can be even higher if you’ve happened to workout prior to your labs.

Extremely common and I’ve gone as far as having an ultrasound to insure my liver wasn’t compromised. Those levels are troubling and more fall in line in the “annoying” side.

The more muscle you have and the harder to workout out the higher your propensity is for having elevated levels

Hope that brings some relief. Adding NAC did help lower mine slightly

I’ve had this issue for a long time and have had multiple specialists examine me and talk through it with me…I am no longer concerned about them


Edit:

Went back and pulled my last couple of labs for comparison and mine sit anywhere from 72 to 88

Holy crap. I just had mine and I was toward the middle. About 4 weeks after a show but I took 2000 mg of NAC daily.
I was using just about everything: Winnie, anadrol, anavar, halo, etc .. obviously not at the same time.


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[SampsonandDelilah]

Holy crap. I just had mine and I was toward the middle. About 4 weeks after a show but I took 2000 mg of NAC daily.
I was using just about everything: Winnie, anadrol, anavar, halo, etc .. obviously not at the same time.


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Quantify “middle” for me Charger

[webbull]

Thanks for sharing. I do 1 hour of HIIT training in the morning and 1 hour of weight training or Metcon in the evening. I'm just wondering how much Tren effects it or if its still elevated from the Var i took weeks before. What are your thoughts? Also, have you stopped your cycles and seen improvment?

[webbull]

My ALT/AST levels are ALWAYS elevated.

Muscle is broken down and those proteins are excreted through the liver. They can be even higher if you’ve happened to workout prior to your labs.

Extremely common and I’ve gone as far as having an ultrasound to insure my liver wasn’t compromised. Those levels are troubling and more fall in line in the “annoying” side.

The more muscle you have and the harder to workout out the higher your propensity is for having elevated levels

Hope that brings some relief. Adding NAC did help lower mine slightly

I’ve had this issue for a long time and have had multiple specialists examine me and talk through it with me…I am no longer concerned about them


Edit:

Went back and pulled my last couple of labs for comparison and mine sit anywhere from 72 to 88

Thanks for sharing. I do 1 hour of HIIT training in the morning and 1 hour of weight training or Metcon in the evening. I'm just wondering how much Tren effects it or if its still elevated from the Var i took weeks before. What are your thoughts? Also, have you stopped your cycles and seen improvment?

[charger69]

Quantify “middle” for me Charger

26, 47 AST, ALT


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[SampsonandDelilah]

Thanks for sharing. I do 1 hour of HIIT training in the morning and 1 hour of weight training or Metcon in the evening. I'm just wondering how much Tren effects it or if its still elevated from the Var i took weeks before. What are your thoughts? Also, have you stopped your cycles and seen improvment?

In my experiences, tren messes with my lipids and my kidneys not really my liver functions. Yes, even on a 200 mg TRT maintenance dose, I still have elevated ALT/AST values. Maybe there’s a genetic component but from the explanations I’ve had over the years…the common denominator is muscle mass. Not sure what your stats are, but the last 5 years, I’ve sat between 250 - 270 (258 this morning) and carry quite a bit of mass on me. Also strength train 5x a week and the explanations I received is that the mass and the workouts are the culprit.

Again, nothing alarming and have been told annoying. Have been tested for Hepatitis, jaundice, fatty liver disease and a myriad of other liver functionalities and it’s in tip top shape.

I will say that the last year and half has seen a slight spike due to acetaminophen (taking norco post cancer treatments). The Tylenol definitely has bumped up the liver enzymes but I was able to offset that back to baseline with the help of the NAC.


Var is another one that is probably tougher on your lipids than your liver values.

I’m just impressed you can do HIIT on tren! I get tired taking an escalator on that shit…

Tough to say brother and I’m just sharing my anecdotes and what my practitioners have stated to me over the years. I’ve been blood tested, poked and prodded as much as anyone on this forum the last couple of years and those fucking liver enzymes have always been elevated, regardless of the gear I’m running. For me, I’ve decided to not worry about it and just stay consistent with my lab work.

[webbull]

In my experiences, tren messes with my lipids and my kidneys not really my liver functions. Yes, even on a 200 mg TRT maintenance dose, I still have elevated ALT/AST values. Maybe there’s a genetic component but from the explanations I’ve had over the years…the common denominator is muscle mass. Not sure what your stats are, but the last 5 years, I’ve sat between 250 - 270 (258 this morning) and carry quite a bit of mass on me. Also strength train 5x a week and the explanations I received is that the mass and the workouts are the culprit.

Again, nothing alarming and have been told annoying. Have been tested for Hepatitis, jaundice, fatty liver disease and a myriad of other liver functionalities and it’s in tip top shape.

I will say that the last year and half has seen a slight spike due to acetaminophen (taking norco post cancer treatments). The Tylenol definitely has bumped up the liver enzymes but I was able to offset that back to baseline with the help of the NAC.


Var is another one that is probably tougher on your lipids than your liver values.

I’m just impressed you can do HIIT on tren! I get tired taking an escalator on that shit…

Tough to say brother and I’m just sharing my anecdotes and what my practitioners have stated to me over the years. I’ve been blood tested, poked and prodded as much as anyone on this forum the last couple of years and those fucking liver enzymes have always been elevated, regardless of the gear I’m running. For me, I’ve decided to not worry about it and just stay consistent with my lab work.

Im 195 LB with 11% Body Fat. I do have some muscle mass. This could be a contributing factor like you say so thank you for that info. The var was increasing my Lipids so that was the reason I dropped it and then retested and my cholesterol drastically improved not being on var.

Haha about the Tren. I feel like I perform better. However, Im not taking a very high dose. Just 50mg with my 100mg test Prop 2x per week. I'm not trying to over do it. I just love being lean year round.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Just the building and tearing down of muscle is enough to create the proteins that are then excreted. So even if you’re not overtly carrying mass, the intense workouts you’re doing is certainly enough to create that process in the liver.

After you’re next blast and your system has cleared, don’t exercise for a few days and take your labs prior to a workout, I’d wager you’ll see a significant difference

[Test Monsterone]

OP those levels are not high. If they were over 100, I'd look into it. Increased liver enzymes are typical with HGH administration, btw.

[webbull]

OP those levels are not high. If they were over 100, I'd look into it. Increased liver enzymes are typical with HGH administration, btw.

I didn't know this. Thanks for the info. I thought it was the Tren. Or is it both?

[webbull]

Just the building and tearing down of muscle is enough to create the proteins that are then excreted. So even if you’re not overtly carrying mass, the intense workouts you’re doing is certainly enough to create that process in the liver.

After you’re next blast and your system has cleared, don’t exercise for a few days and take your labs prior to a workout, I’d wager you’ll see a significant difference

will do thanks!

[Fluidic Kimbo]

My ALT came back as 2,800 a few times. I think it peaked briefly over 3,000.

My AST was 800.

Still alive 7 years later.

[Huher]

My ALT was 150, AST was 45 few weeks after dbol, and my doc literally said there is nothing to worry about. On 600 sustanone a week they were 30ish.

62 is like nothing, one of my competitor friends had ALT over 3000 several times before a powerlifting comp.

[SampsonandDelilah]

OP those levels are not high. If they were over 100, I'd look into it. Increased liver enzymes are typical with HGH administration, btw.

I hadn’t heard HGH increases liver enzymes either. Curious where that came from TMO?

Was also on Semorelin and Ipramorelin for a time and wonder if that contributed? It was never mentioned by my TRT doc which is why I’m asking