My first beginner cycle

[Rixon]

Hey fellers, I'm a newbie to the forums. Nice to meet you all.

So I'm getting ready to start my first cycle on 1 vial of Testosterone Enanthate 250, I've had my bloodwork done.
I decided to pyramid the cycle and keep it at 10 weeks.
Also being my first cycle I chose to keep the dosages rather low and not reach 500mg, peaking at 300mg.

I decided to run Clomid and Nolvadex for PCT and wasn't to sure if this PCT was suited for a test e cycle that only peaks at 300mg. I'm a little unsure about the Nolvadex dosages.

Looking to see some other opinions? Thanks.

Height: 5.8ft
Weight: 77kg
Age: 29

LH: 7.7 - (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH: 3.4 - (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol: 114 - (< 146) pmol/L
Testosterone : 15.9 - (9.2-31.8) nmol/L

Weeks 1 - 10
0.7 / 175mg
0.9cc / 225mg
1.1cc / 275mg
1.1cc / 275mg
1.2cc / 300mg
1.2cc / 300mg
1.1cc / 275mg
1.1cc / 275mg
0.9cc / 225mg
0.7 / 175mg

PCT 14 days after last injection.
50mg Clomid - 21 days
Nolvadex - 40 / 20 / 20 / 20 (not sure if I should run 40mg/40mg/20mg/20mg)

[JaneDoe]

My opinion is that it is not worth using less than 400mg of testosterone per week if you are aiming for self performance in bodybuilding... Another thing is, you should update yourself on pct, here is a topic of mine about it.


My opinion is that it's not worth using less than 400mg of testosterone per week if you're aiming for self performance in bodybuilding... Use 400+ testosterone per week. Don't be afraid of aromatization and estrogen, have some exemestane 12.5mg on hand from the 3rd week of your cycle taken every day (of course your blood test will adjust the dosage for you) if you don't opt ​​for Al , you can get away with just 10mg of nolvadex every day in the cycle... Don't make your testosterone dose an up and down roller coaster, it will send you through peaks and valleys... Another thing is, you should update yourself on pct , here is my thread about it. The correct way to start pct is not 14 days after the last application, but 35 days.. (You have to respect 5 ester half-lives) pct is 7 weeks with nolvadex and clomid...


It is crucial that you use HCG throughout your cycle at a dose of 250iu 2x a week, this is taken every 3 days. It will keep your endogenous LH active, not letting it shut down. You will recover faster when implementing the HCG in the cycle


Below is my thread about what I told you!



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Davi

[yosemite-gains]

I'm in a similar boat and you wanting to get started and stay conservative. I think your approach is slightly too conservative. With the protocol you've outlined you're averaging 250mg / week. At 250mg / week you're going to shut down your natural production and you will need PCT. At that dose I think you're limiting the benefit you're getting too much and the timeframe is too limited.

The approach I would take would be to choose some dosage between 300-400 and keep it consistent across each week. I think this would make it easier to track progress and blood levels. Second, I would go for 12-16 weeks. Third, I would include HCG throughout the duration of your cycle. I think this is the single best thing you could do in the vain of minimizing risk.

Heres a resource i found relating dosage to blood levels. Its far from perfect but can give you a rough range of where you might fall.
https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/co...ose_and_blood/

[Cylon357]

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html

That link will have a boatload of useful info, including, IIRC, why that relatively low of a dose is a bad idea.

Pct looks fine, though IMO you should find enclomiphene instead of clomid if you can, and with that, you could drop the nolvadex to 20/10/10/10

You will probably be disappointed in this cycle as it is small and not likely to bring radical changes. It IS over typical TRT doses, but not by enough to be eye opening.

[Mooseman33]

also good to remember, we are mostly using UGL gear. regardless how good the dose is not exact and regulated.

[Rixon]

Thanks guys for the resources I greatly appreciate it, I will continue looking further into them.
I've decided I am going to split my dosage into 2 injections, monday & thursday. This will help me prevent it being a rollercoaster ride.
So I used the Steroid Plotter and did 200mg every 3.5days (Totalling 400mg of Test Enanthate per week). After first 4 weeks I see it levelling out.
I would also like to add HCG into the cycle, which I will look further into today.

Do you think its worth starting the cycle at a lower dosage like 250 or 300 then increasing by 50mg once I know my body reacts fine to it. Once I reach 400mg I stay there until the end of the cycle?

I also would like to know your opinion about a low dose longer period PCT plan (8weeks), Using it as a test booster and allows rbc hemocrit to come down inbetween cycles whilst keeping test levels stable.
What would you think about a PCT plan like this?

1-4 weeks:
25mg Clomid + Nolvdex 10mg

4-8 weeks:
25mg Clomid

[Rixon]

"bump"

[Mr. Small]

"bump"

Bump? You got good advice dude.

Minimum of 400mg per week, every week for full cycle

[Rixon]

Sorry I was bumping to find out if any one has used to a longer period PCT plan before and to see if it was recommended to pyramid up to 400mg of test per week.

[JaneDoe]

Sorry I was bumping to find out if any one has used to a longer period PCT plan before and to see if it was recommended to pyramid up to 400mg of test per week.

Most guys do the conventional thing, they don't expect 5 half-lives! The correct thing about the pct's plans is to wait until the 5th half-life of the drug is completely expelled from your system, but nobody does. Austinite's approach, a major contributor to this forum, has worked for many. Many guys have noticed recovery on post-pct blood tests following the approach of waiting 14 days after the last enanthate ester application, or 18 days for cypionate , 21 for deca and 21 for sustanon thus starting pct serms....
Well, it's worth doing what you think is best bro. Austinite's standard pct plans can work as long as you introduce HCG at 250iu 2x per week each cycle.
I think it's the HCG that will dictate an easier recovery in post cycle therapy . It will not let the natural Lh receptors desensitize (turn off) while you make use of your exogenous testosterone during your cycle.
As Austinite himself has always mentioned "The HCG is the seat belt.
What do I think about waiting until 5 half-lives?
Well, as much as bodybuilding experts say this is the correct approach, I think that waiting time can be exhausting, especially when you've come out of a cycle.
One approach you can take is to switch from long to short ester in the middle of the cycle, so you would wait for the 5th half-life of the short ester and start pct earlier...
A guy who for example started with enanthate mid-cycle he would jump to propionate of testosterone..
Instead of waiting 35 days, switching to propionate mid-cycle would only wait 10 days to start pct.
Regarding your testosterone dose, it doesn't work, stick to a fixed dose of 400mg per week (take 200mg on Monday and Thursday) and everything will be fine.

[Fit4Florida]

Thanks guys for the resources I greatly appreciate it, I will continue looking further into them.
I've decided I am going to split my dosage into 2 injections, monday & thursday. This will help me prevent it being a rollercoaster ride.
So I used the Steroid Plotter and did 200mg every 3.5days (Totalling 400mg of Test Enanthate per week). After first 4 weeks I see it levelling out.
I would also like to add HCG into the cycle, which I will look further into today.

Do you think its worth starting the cycle at a lower dosage like 250 or 300 then increasing by 50mg once I know my body reacts fine to it. Once I reach 400mg I stay there until the end of the cycle?

I also would like to know your opinion about a low dose longer period PCT plan (8weeks), Using it as a test booster and allows rbc hemocrit to come down inbetween cycles whilst keeping test levels stable.
What would you think about a PCT plan like this?

1-4 weeks:
25mg Clomid + Nolvdex 10mg

4-8 weeks:
25mg Clomid

Front loading “staggering” AI & Serm’s for PCT is pretty well accepted practice but like others said those pyramid cycles are pretty outdated practice. I’ve personally realized the importance of keeping hormone levels as level as possible.

It’s easier to recognize and treat issues that pop up with estrogen, prolactin and overall health.

400-500mgs test has been great for me.

HCG has been remarkably useful. Easy to get, cheap and saves yourself headaches like testicular atrophy and LH tanking.