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    first cycle after 15 years - vaping allowed?

    Hello all,

    Great info on this board.. I appreciate everyones contribution here. Searched for my question but couldn't find anything..

    I'm on anavar and HGH .. first cycle i'm doing after 15 years. I have cut out drinking but I do vape flavored nicotine and can't put the damn thing down.

    Just wondering, is there any negative effects to my cycle if I continue to vape?

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedrich View Post
    Hello all,

    Great info on this board.. I appreciate everyones contribution here. Searched for my question but couldn't find anything..

    I'm on anavar and HGH .. first cycle i'm doing after 15 years. I have cut out drinking but I do vape flavored nicotine and can't put the damn thing down.

    Just wondering, is there any negative effects to my cycle if I continue to vape?

    Thanks,
    I would suspect that will depend on what is in the vape pen...

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    flavoured nicotine.

    Maybe another way for me to ask my question is does nicotine have any negative effects on a steroid cycle? I don't drink, smoke or do marijuana.

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    Well, vaping anything isn't really healthy. Nicotine will likely contribute to elevated BP and increased heart rate at a minimum.

    Edit: It will likely lower your blood oxygen levels as well. There are other sides as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedrich View Post
    Hello all,

    Great info on this board.. I appreciate everyones contribution here. Searched for my question but couldn't find anything..


    I'm on anavar and HGH .. first cycle i'm doing after 15 years. I have cut out drinking but I do vape flavored nicotine and can't put the damn thing down.

    Just wondering, is there any negative effects to my cycle if I continue to vape?

    Thanks,
    Add some test - but damn, nicotine + HGH + var + assumably good diet/training = nice fat loss, lean weight gain.
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    If I were you I would try a nicotine replacement like chantix or something patches idk. I personally don’t like it but you know whatever you gotta do i guess.

    Its not going to effect your cycle. Markus Ruhl smoked like a freight train and was the biggest mf on the planet. Probably half of the olympia lineup smokes cannabis as well. Me personally I dont.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedrich View Post
    Hello all,

    Great info on this board.. I appreciate everyones contribution here. Searched for my question but couldn't find anything..

    I'm on anavar and HGH .. first cycle i'm doing after 15 years. I have cut out drinking but I do vape flavored nicotine and can't put the damn thing down.

    Just wondering, is there any negative effects to my cycle if I continue to vape?

    Thanks,
    Anavar and hgh, but no test?

    I'm sure there is some cardiovascular issues with vaping nicotine. Narrowing and stiffening of arteries.

    I quit smoking all tobacco products (and dipping) back in 2005. All I used was Cinnaburst and Big Red gum (the more flavor intense the gum the better). It's really about giving your hand, mouth and tongue something to do to replace the habit of smoking. And after a couple weeks of feeling like shit, the withdrawals go away and you're back to normal. This isn't a gear thing, but if you want to quit make today the day.
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    Thanks for the responses.

    But why the responses for me to take test? I am eating right, working out hard and looking to lean up while keeping (and hoepfully growing) the current muscle mass I have. I was going to take test and anavar originally but was recommended this stack instead and I thought its far superior. Isn't HGH much more effective to keep your gains long term? Plus I don't have to worry about my natural testosterone shutting down completely and I thought my stack would be perfect for that. Am I missing something? Should I add in test maybe on my 4th week? Main goal is to shred BF%

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    You shred BF with diet and cardio.

    Anavar is pointless the run by itself. I'm basing that on anabolics and hormones being different animals.

    Based on the goals you just ppsted and having not done a cycle in 15 years a nice Cypionate /350 mg's a week/12-14 weeks would be GOLDEN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedrich View Post
    Thanks for the responses.

    But why the responses for me to take test? I am eating right, working out hard and looking to lean up while keeping (and hoepfully growing) the current muscle mass I have. I was going to take test and anavar originally but was recommended this stack instead and I thought its far superior. Isn't HGH much more effective to keep your gains long term? Plus I don't have to worry about my natural testosterone shutting down completely and I thought my stack would be perfect for that. Am I missing something? Should I add in test maybe on my 4th week? Main goal is to shred BF%
    In simple terms, Anavar run by itself will cause your body to decrease the amount of natural test it makes, thus cancelling out much of the effect of the Var. So you just need to add AT LEAST as much test as would be lost (roughly your natural amount) plus any additional desired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedrich View Post
    Thanks for the responses.

    But why the responses for me to take test? I am eating right, working out hard and looking to lean up while keeping (and hoepfully growing) the current muscle mass I have. I was going to take test and anavar originally but was recommended this stack instead and I thought its far superior. Isn't HGH much more effective to keep your gains long term? Plus I don't have to worry about my natural testosterone shutting down completely and I thought my stack would be perfect for that. Am I missing something? Should I add in test maybe on my 4th week? Main goal is to shred BF%
    Check out the stickies on the forum. The ones in bold at the top. You havent done enough research if youre asking why you need test as a base. And I dont mean that disrespectful, educate yourself before you medicate yourself otherwise you’re gonna end up with some nasty side effects and potentially less benefits than if you nver cycled at all. Vaping, oral only..yeah its not the right time to do gear bro.
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    vapping won't bother your cycle at all man. either will cigs.

    this is cycle related answer not health.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    Check out the stickies on the forum. The ones in bold at the top. You havent done enough research if youre asking why you need test as a base. And I dont mean that disrespectful, educate yourself before you medicate yourself otherwise youíre gonna end up with some nasty side effects and potentially less benefits than if you nver cycled at all. Vaping, oral only..yeah its not the right time to do gear bro.
    Thanks bro for the advice. I have done plenty of research and have done my cycles before with test. I was already on the fence about taking anavar without test but was convinced that anavar and HGH will be good enough for my goal of cutting. I will talk to my guy about adding in some test.

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    Vaping is so gay!!! It is a gateway drug to hell. First you vape, then you grow a man bun, then you start drinking cinnamon soy lattes with whipped cream and nutmeg. Then before you know it you are sucking off another dude. Don't vape! Smoke a fag or a cigar like a man or nothing at all.


    HGH needs to be run long term to start feeling its effects and orals like anavar are not safe to run long term. How many IU of growth are you running and how many mgs of anavar?

    I am 3 months into 2iu a day of pharm grade growth from a doctor and I am just starting to feel it. My nails and hair are growing. My wrinkles are disappearing my skin is glowing, my hands tingle sometimes, I am retaining some water and I am hungry a lot. Around 50% of the growth out there is fake and a lot of the anavar is winstrol or dbol .

    You should add in some test subQ with your daily growth injections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic View Post
    Vaping is so gay!!! It is a gateway drug to hell. First you vape, then you grow a man bun, then you start drinking cinnamon soy lattes with whipped cream and nutmeg. Then before you know it you are sucking off another dude. Don't vape! Smoke a fag or a cigar like a man or nothing at all.


    HGH needs to be run long term to start feeling its effects and orals like anavar are not safe to run long term. How many IU of growth are you running and how many mgs of anavar?

    I am 3 months into 2iu a day of pharm grade growth from a doctor and I am just starting to feel it. My nails and hair are growing. My wrinkles are disappearing my skin is glowing, my hands tingle sometimes, I am retaining some water and I am hungry a lot. Around 50% of the growth out there is fake and a lot of the anavar is winstrol or dbol .

    You should add in some test subQ with your daily growth injections.

    You convinced your dr that you needed hgh? Are you in Australia or US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    You convinced your dr that you needed hgh? Are you in Australia or US?
    I'm also curious. My hormone clinic guy keeps mentioning me going on growth. I wanna get back in there and talk to him about it. Not sure if he means or thinks he can get me a script for it, or me source my own. Would be really great to get a script and insurance pick it up! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    You convinced your dr that you needed hgh? Are you in Australia or US?
    A lot of doc's (IMO) will write it but insurance will rarely cover it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    You convinced your dr that you needed hgh? Are you in Australia or US?

    I am in the USA but my doctor is in Aus. I had to fly it over in a cooler bag with a few icepacks but the airline let me put it in their fridge on the plane. Immigration don't care what prescriptions you bring in because my wife is American and I have legit documentation. It's expensive, $2200 American dollars for 12 weeks worth at 2iu a day. I have found it is hard for American doctors to legally prescribe it as there had to be a certain criteria but it is not really policed from what I hear. You probs know more than I do about it ay? We have to find American doctors. Going to be a pain in the arse to keep flying a couple times a year for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    A lot of doc's (IMO) will write it but insurance will rarely cover it.
    I just checked GoodRX for prices of 4 packages of 7 minidevices of .2mg Genotropin

    The cheapest price was at Vons' supermarket's pharmacy at $850.25

    At that price a script is fvuking useless unless you're Elon Musk kind of rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    A lot of doc's (IMO) will write it but insurance will rarely cover it.
    Well hell. I might just ask my two docs. I tell ya insurance is just getting worse and worse the health care situation in the US…ehhh why even bother

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    Well hell. I might just ask my two docs. I tell ya insurance is just getting worse and worse the health care situation in the US…ehhh why even bother
    Exactly why quality ugl's are a wonderful thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Exactly why quality ugl's are a wonderful thing.

    Most definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Exactly why quality ugl's are a wonderful thing.
    100iu for 235 bucks at my ugl source isn't looking that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teedoff View Post
    100iu for 235 bucks at my ugl source isn't looking that bad.
    Arent the chinese ones around 97.5 purity? Somewhere in there? Idk, ive never used GH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    Arent the chinese ones around 97.5 purity? Somewhere in there? Idk, ive never used GH
    I haven't used it either. Researching it though.

    This ugl says 98% pure. Seems like thats a good thing? Maybe not. I just know the pharma stuff I was seeing was much higher. In cost I mean
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    Arent the chinese ones around 97.5 purity? Somewhere in there? Idk, ive never used GH
    I wonít say the overseas distributors name, but quite a few guys from here bought HGH (and other gear) from them including myself. I thought it was a higher percentage, but the main thing was that it worked. Reasonably priced as well. I have no idea how they are post Covid.

    With your physique!?! Holy crap, scary potential imo. Plus, donít you also respond well to lower dosages of gear? Iím thinking youíre response would be amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic View Post
    Vaping is so gay!!! It is a gateway drug to hell. First you vape, then you grow a man bun, then you start drinking cinnamon soy lattes with whipped cream and nutmeg. Then before you know it you are sucking off another dude. Don't vape! Smoke a fag or a cigar like a man or nothing at all.


    HGH needs to be run long term to start feeling its effects and orals like anavar are not safe to run long term. How many IU of growth are you running and how many mgs of anavar?

    I am 3 months into 2iu a day of pharm grade growth from a doctor and I am just starting to feel it. My nails and hair are growing. My wrinkles are disappearing my skin is glowing, my hands tingle sometimes, I am retaining some water and I am hungry a lot. Around 50% of the growth out there is fake and a lot of the anavar is winstrol or dbol .

    You should add in some test subQ with your daily growth injections.

    i'm running 80mg of anavar and 6iu of HGH a day both split in the AM/PM. Anavar will be taken for 2 months and the HGH for 4 months. My stuff is all pharma grade.

    I will take test now too but man, I just don't want acne from it (happened when I first took it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedrich View Post
    i'm running 80mg of anavar and 6iu of HGH a day both split in the AM/PM. Anavar will be taken for 2 months and the HGH for 4 months. My stuff is all pharma grade.

    I will take test now too but man, I just don't want acne from it (happened when I first took it).
    Your anavar 2.5mg or 5mg? 80 a day seems overkill why do you need that much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    Your anavar 2.5mg or 5mg? 80 a day seems overkill why do you need that much?
    Both are overkill.....6 iu of GH ???? Those doses are WAYYYYY too much.

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    Must not be good var/ definitely not pharma. 20 mg of PAR is plenty for me. On the GH side, ~3.6 iu of Serostim is plenty. I highly recommend pulling an IGF-1 panel and serum GH before starting your GH.

    I would definitely run at least an upper end TRT dosage of test, or a shade more.
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    I value all the replies.

    Both are pharma grade. The var is definitely really good considering I already started feeling it after the 4th day.

    Dosage is on higher end no doubt but I'm eating right, taking proper supplements for support, working out hard and consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedrich View Post
    I value all the replies.

    Both are pharma grade. The var is definitely really good considering I already started feeling it after the 4th day.

    Dosage is on higher end no doubt but I'm eating right, taking proper supplements for support, working out hard and consistently.
    The highest I go on Var is 50 and ive been on gear 4 years straight, just seems after 15 years or so you say you havent cycled it would make more sense to start small and increase the dose if needed but hey you do you. Good luck on your cycle sounds like you got everything down
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedrich View Post
    I value all the replies.

    Both are pharma grade. The var is definitely really good considering I already started feeling it after the 4th day.

    Dosage is on higher end no doubt but I'm eating right, taking proper supplements for support, working out hard and consistently.
    Good on diet and traning....doses are still entirely too high.
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    Are you really on 6iu a day of pharm (made by a legitimate medical company) GH? Show us a photo of the package please. I suspect it is a ugl from china in fancy packaging.

    Is it making you hold any water?

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    first cycle after 15 years - vaping allowed?-img_9053.jpg

    Not holding any water but this is only my 6th day. I do have an amazing pump and already feel stronger

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    CORRECTION: I am taking 5iu/day split between am/pm. Sorry about the confusion but the rookie in me kept calculating from what was in the needle. My bad!
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    Any more that 2 is too much.

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    First you said 6iu then your correction said 1.5iu, now you're back up to 5iu. Lol. I'm lost.

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    Damn, you got lost just over that? Where did I say 1.5 anyway? It’s 5

    Todays marks 7th day of this cycle and so far I feel great

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    I find it hard to believe that somebody who hasn't touched gear in 15 years will jump on HGH in their first comeback cycle
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