Need cycle help. Just started TRT.

[JJGuns911]

I’m 41 6’4. 210 lbs. I did a couple cycles 10 years ago. I just got on TRT so thought I’d put a small cycle together. I’m on point in gym and eat clean
1-10 test cyp 200
1-10 Deca 300
1-5 andro 75 mg
I have enclimophene from TRT I’m using near end to run into pcp with Hcg
I also have Arimidex just in case.
Do you think 300 a week is enough Deca to see decent gains. Trying for a mild cycle. I know andro is a lil rough but may stop that at week 4

[JJGuns911]

I’m 41 6’4. 210 lbs. I did a couple cycles 10 years ago. I just got on TRT so thought I’d put a small cycle together. I’m on point in gym and eat clean
1-10 test cyp 200
1-10 Deca 300
1-5 andro 75 mg
I have enclimophene from TRT I’m using near end to run into pcp with Hcg
I also have Arimidex just in case.
Do you think 300 a week is enough Deca to see decent gains. Trying for a mild cycle. I know andro is a lil rough but may stop that at week 4

[Cuz]

Post up your diet what you eat in a day

[almostgone]

Merged multiple threads.

[Scorpion0922]

If you just started trt, give that a few months at least to work it's magic. Hold off on any cycle for now.

Welcome to the board.

[JJGuns911]

Wake-up. 6 boiled eggs.
Lunch chicken breast/tuna and salad.
Dinner lean red meat/salmon/chicken breast rice beans
Snacks in between. Yogurt protein shakes and bars. Other good stuff like veggies and hummus

Not eating big calories yet. Haven’t started cycle. Looking for a good dose to start Deca. I think I want to go higher Deca than test. Not worried about libido at the moment

[JJGuns911]

I guess I should wait until at least my next blood test which is in 12 weeks. I got the gear just excited to get started
I haven’t cycled in 10 years. When I got my blood work back my test was under 200. Which explains alot

[JJGuns911]

Also what kinda training split is best for cycling. Is hitting 1 part a week really hard good. Or should I push to hit them twice??

[Cylon357]

Also what kinda training split is best for cycling. Is hitting 1 part a week really hard good. Or should I push to hit them twice??

What is your specific goal? "Decent gains" could mean "blow up like the Michelin Man" or "shred out like a cheese grater"

[JJGuns911]

I mean. I’m big naturally. I want to do this first cycle and bull with the Andro. Then a few months down the road I wanna try Tren for the first time and cut. I’m about 14% bf. Hopefully this TRT and peptides I’m getting is gonna help me shed some more

[Cuz]

I mean. I’m big naturally. I want to do this first cycle and bull with the Andro. Then a few months down the road I wanna try Tren for the first time and cut. I’m about 14% bf. Hopefully this TRT and peptides I’m getting is gonna help me shed some more

I know you’re eager to start but u can go a long ways on trt alone if you’re just starting trt like scorpion said. Its better to start small with the doses. Ive been doing this awhile, its best to grow into your dose

[Scorpion0922]

I mean. I’m big naturally. I want to do this first cycle and bull with the Andro. Then a few months down the road I wanna try Tren for the first time and cut. I’m about 14% bf. Hopefully this TRT and peptides I’m getting is gonna help me shed some more

You can add some quality pounds with the TRT and your diet. You are likely not eating enough. You mention your 2nd and 3rd meal but don't mention the quantities. Or how the food is prepared. Looks like you are on the right track but could use some tweeking on the meal plan.

Bump Cuz, patience is a virtue. Take this one step @ a time.

Training: all depends on what works for you. Of the 2 choices training 1 BP per week is likely going to be the better choice for hypertrophy.

Personally when I retire from competing I am likely going to switch to a push/pull/legs routine, but for now (with your and my goals being similar) my training is 1 BP per day:

Legs
Shoulders
Chest
Back
Arms

Here's a great vieo from Seth Feroce on the differences:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI3VBiUSttM

[JTP$]

I guess I should wait until at least my next blood test which is in 12 weeks. I got the gear just excited to get started
I haven’t cycled in 10 years. When I got my blood work back my test was under 200. Which explains alot

i know the feeling. as stated above, it would be wise to wait a few months to get some gains from the TRT before you add in the black market gear.

is the 200 mg test cyp your TRT dose, and the deca would be what you add on top? personally, i would always run caber with a 19-nor base AAS, and some kind of AI or SERM to combat estrogen from the test. but with 300 mgs of deca a week, you could try taking P5P instead. that being said, 300 mg a week of deca with 200 mgs a week of test would yield some good gains, especially if youre just getting back into the game. personally i would run a higher dose of both compounds with the test higher than the deca, but im not new to AAS.

also, whats andro? do you mean anadrol, or androstenedione?

[Honkey_Kong]

Wake-up. 6 boiled eggs.
Lunch chicken breast/tuna and salad.
Dinner lean red meat/salmon/chicken breast rice beans
Snacks in between. Yogurt protein shakes and bars. Other good stuff like veggies and hummus

Not eating big calories yet. Haven’t started cycle. Looking for a good dose to start Deca. I think I want to go higher Deca than test. Not worried about libido at the moment

If you haven't done a cycle in 10 years, your should probably stick to a newbie cycle of test only if you're going to do it. Save the deca for later. And as far as your TRT goes, give it like 6 months to a year before you start doing anything. You're going to get some gain just from being on TRT. I'd ride that out and see where you are after that levels out. Besides, the longer you wait, the less frequently your doctor's going to order bloodwork.

As far as your diet goes, from what you wrote, it's not on point. If you want to put muscle on, you need to eat BIG.

[Honkey_Kong]

i know the feeling. as stated above, it would be wise to wait a few months to get some gains from the TRT before you add in the black market gear.

is the 200 mg test cyp your TRT dose, and the deca would be what you add on top? personally, i would always run caber with a 19-nor base AAS, and some kind of AI or SERM to combat estrogen from the test. but with 300 mgs of deca a week, you could try taking P5P instead. that being said, 300 mg a week of deca with 200 mgs a week of test would yield some good gains, especially if youre just getting back into the game. personally i would run a higher dose of both compounds with the test higher than the deca, but im not new to AAS.

also, whats andro? do you mean anadrol, or androstenedione?

I'm guessing his free test was 200 ng/dl but Who knows?

[JJGuns911]

Appreciate all the good info. I’m gonna put the Decca to the side for now. Dial in my diet and see what this TRT does to me.

[JTP$]

I'm guessing his free test was 200 ng/dl but Who knows?

yea, thats what post #7 indicates, i actually missed that and only saw test cyp 200 from the first posts.

Appreciate all the good info. I’m gonna put the Decca to the side for now. Dial in my diet and see what this TRT does to me.

wise choice, but keep in mind that gear suspended in oil will only last 18 months tops, so if you already have the deca on hand, dont wait too long to take it

also, i strongly emphasize that you should at least take P5P with the deca to prevent progestogenic side effects. please dont get careless and end up getting gyno.

[Honkey_Kong]

Appreciate all the good info. I’m gonna put the Decca to the side for now. Dial in my diet and see what this TRT does to me.

Try to get yourself 8 hours of sleep every night too. It's one of the things people overlook the most, but your body does most of it's building when you sleep. If you're well rested, you recover faster too and you have the energy to train harder.

[Scorpion0922]

Try to get yourself 8 hours of sleep every night too. It's one of the things people overlook the most, but your body does most of it's building when you sleep. If you're well rested, you recover faster too and you have the energy to train harder.

Rest = results

[Mooseman33]

Wake-up. 6 boiled eggs.
Lunch chicken breast/tuna and salad.
Dinner lean red meat/salmon/chicken breast rice beans
Snacks in between. Yogurt protein shakes and bars. Other good stuff like veggies and hummus

Not eating big calories yet. Haven’t started cycle. Looking for a good dose to start Deca. I think I want to go higher Deca than test. Not worried about libido at the moment

buddy, you are 6'4 210 pounds? you have to eat more. I really hope you left a lot of this list as you are in a serious deficit. Head to diet section. That with trt and you will be real happy.

gotta learn how to feed the body for growth.

[Cuz]

yea, thats what post #7 indicates, i actually missed that and only saw test cyp 200 from the first posts.



wise choice, but keep in mind that gear suspended in oil will only last 18 months tops, so if you already have the deca on hand, dont wait too long to take it

also, i strongly emphasize that you should at least take P5P with the deca to prevent progestogenic side effects. please dont get careless and end up getting gyno.

Im actually using gear that “expired” 3 years ago. Getting some pretty awesome results with it tho

[almostgone]

yea, thats what post #7 indicates, i actually missed that and only saw test cyp 200 from the first posts.



wise choice, but keep in mind that gear suspended in oil will only last 18 months tops, so if you already have the deca on hand, dont wait too long to take it

also, i strongly emphasize that you should at least take P5P with the deca to prevent progestogenic side effects. please dont get careless and end up getting gyno.

The Deca will be a solution, not a suspension. Definitely will last over 18 months if stored properly.

[Honkey_Kong]

buddy, you are 6'4 210 pounds? you have to eat more. I really hope you left a lot of this list as you are in a serious deficit. Head to diet section. That with trt and you will be real happy.

gotta learn how to feed the body for growth.

This is something that needs to be more emphasized. I don't care how much gear you're on, if you don't eat enough food, you're not going to get big. If you want to be 275, you have to eat like you're 275lbs. And really the only way to accomplish this goal is to map out the current diet and make changes to it to support growing.

[JJGuns911]

Well turns out I’m kinda hard headed and started my whole cycle as planned. Actually I bumped test up to 400 and deca to 350. Patience is one of those things I struggle with
I’m almost on week 4. I’ve jst now started packing on the pounds from the Anadrol orals. I’ve put on about 10 lbs. it’s been tough to keep eating cause the orals really kill my appetite. Been runnin synergine and p5p. This will be my last week of orals. Then 5 weeks left of test and deca. Very excited. This week definitely shows things are headed in right direction

[JTP$]

Im actually using gear that “expired” 3 years ago. Getting some pretty awesome results with it tho

honestly man, the deca im on right now is expired too, but since i already spent the money on it i have to take it, even if the potency has decreased a little.

The Deca will be a solution, not a suspension. Definitely will last over 18 months if stored properly.

yea. i should point out that i didnt word that properly. oil based gear isnt completely gone after 18 months, but ive heard that after 18 months the potency will decrease. obviously, you can minimize this by storing the gear in a cool, dark location.